Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[44smok]

After currywurst and mongerror this is a third try to fit upcalibered and underbarrelled BB onto tier 10. Something tells me that if it didn't work twice it won't work the third time either.

[LastButterfly]

4 minutes ago, 44smok said:

After currywurst and mongerror this is a third try to fit upcalibered and underbarrelled BB onto tier 10. Something tells me that if it didn't work twice it won't work the third time either.

 

It didn't work the second time because WG chickened out at the last minute and added a generic boring configuration.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Well I'm kinda disappointed with the France.

Really hoped for the 4x4 380 mm config.

[AkosJaccik]

Seeing this after the brits and really, the general state of the new silver ships overall in the near past, one word came into my mind: uninspired.

[Darth_Glorious]

France's engine booster bonus is 20% instead of 8% to compensate for its lack of guns 

[Verdius]

Only 8 guns for the T10? Wonder how that will work out, especially considering how many people play Conqueror in the 8 gun setup (which is probably about 2 people)

I kind of hoped for 3 quad turrets like Alsace has.

 

[LastButterfly]

2 minutes ago, Verdius said:

Only 8 guns for the T10? Wonder how that will work out, especially considering how many people play Conqueror in the 8 gun setup (which is probably about 2 people)

I kind of hoped for 3 quad turrets like Alsace has.

 

 

I think most people hoped for 2 bow turrets instead.
In any case, it's not because the 4*2 of Conqueror isn't played that it's bad. It could've been cool if WG hadn't decided "screw it let's put a regular boring config too and make the original one a bonus that half the people will not even see"

[Darth_Glorious]

Let's hope the turrets are well armoured....

[NoirLotus]

Only 8 guns (though 431 mm will be nasty agaisnt cruisers) and the worst dispersion of all T10 BB. As I said earlier, no powercreep to fear with french ships ...

[Verdius]

1 minute ago, NoirLotus said:

Only 8 guns (though 431 mm will be nasty agaisnt cruisers) and the worst dispersion of all T10 BB. As I said earlier, no powercreep to fear with french ships ...

Dispersion is at max range though, and France has a ridiculous 26km range.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Also change that generic name.

 

Name her at least Ile de France.

[WashedandDeceased]

Off topic, but someone proposed "Voltaire". That sounds nice too. 

As far as the ship itself, I'll wait a bit before getting my pitchfork as it's still in ST. Who knows, maybe the firing angles are decent.. 

[NoirLotus]

10 minutes ago, Verdius said:

Dispersion is at max range though, and France has a ridiculous 26km range.

Yamato has a greater range and a far better dispersion ...

[PseudoMi]

And 2.1 sigma instead of 2.0

And 460mm overmatching 32mm instead of 431mm not overmatching 32mm

And 9 guns instead of 8

[Sigimundus]

Is there any information about secondaries (range, rate of fire etc) of French hight tier BB?

[ImperialAdmiral]

6 minutes ago, Freyr_90 said:

Off topic, but someone proposed "Voltaire". That sounds nice too. 

 

Honestly I would also prefer that than "France"

But heard some people saying this could butthurt some so I guess that after the Pan-Asian flag fiasco they want to be cautious.

[PseudoMi]

Charlemagne would have been even better.

[ImperialAdmiral]

1 minute ago, PseudoMi said:

Charlemagne would have been even better.

 

Of course but that could upset "saracens".

[LastButterfly]

How about Saint-Remy-en-Bouzemont-Saint-Genest-et-Isson ?

It's the name of a French town...

[Exocet6951]

6 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

 

Honestly I would also prefer that than "France"

But heard some people saying this could butthurt some so I guess that after the Pan-Asian flag fiasco they want to be cautious.

 

I don't think butthurt is the right term, Voltaire is a beloved author.
The only butthurt about his name would have come from the French nobility, but those seem to have lost their heads some 200 years ago 

 

It's a name that was actually used, so it's historical, but I personnally find it somewhat risqué to put it amidst ships with names associated to the crown, such as Richelieu or Charles Martel.

It's really clashing with the feng shui of the naming convention.

[Gojuadorai]

wow the TIX fench ship seems to be a better TX boat than the actual TX.....

 

also why dis they go with the boring layout of turrets rather than sticking to a  2x4 both in the front layout which is kinda a fench thing that would have made it a bit more interesting....

[Verdius]

19 minutes ago, NoirLotus said:

Yamato has a greater range and a far better dispersion ...

 

18 minutes ago, PseudoMi said:

And 2.1 sigma instead of 2.0

And 460mm overmatching 32mm instead of 431mm not overmatching 32mm

And 9 guns instead of 8

 

You are right. This ship looks like it will be complete trash in her current state.

She needs another turret if this is what WG wants.
 

11 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

 

Of course but that could upset "saracens".

 

Last time I checked Charlemagne was known for bashing saxons.

Also considering the fact that the T8 French cruiser is Charles Martel who is famous for defeating the Arabs at the battle of Tours.... And who also happens to be Charlemagnes grandfather.

[NoirLotus]

The main problem with Voltaire is that the traditional naming of ships from people in France usually use names of soldiers or military leaders (privateers included), whether they served the old regime or the republic doesn't matter.

 

The Danton class naming is rather an exception.

 

[Kartoffelmos]

Since we are already jumping on the "must buff BB" bandwagon, here are a couple of things to consider:

• The ship has better sigma than Montana.
• The ship has comparable dispersion to the Montana, more on this later.
• Both the AP and the HE shells have a better initial velocity than those of the Montana, especially the AP shells (762 vs. 840 m/s).

Now, both the shell weight and the air drag coefficients are unknown, so these might hamper the French long-distance performance. In theory, the shell weight should at least be similar (or better) since the 420 mm AP shells of the Kurfürst have a comparable mass and I doubt that the even larger shells of the France will be lighter.

 

As for the dispersion, here are presumed accuracy/dispersion curves for both the American and French battleships (the latter collected from WG's announcements):

As one can see, the French have worse performance at closer ranges but the difference decreases at longer ranges. Montana will have a dispersion of 321,6 m at 26,1 km which is practically identical to that of France.

So in short, the ship appears to trade DPM for accuracy (sigma) and (possibly) ballistics. As a cruiser/destroyer player, I cannot say that I am particularly amused.

[Darth_Glorious]

431 mm AP shell : Damage: 14500; Air drag: 0.35; Shell weight: 1321 kg; Krupp: 2550; Muzzle velocity: 840m/s