Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Historynerd]

14 minutes ago, Bellegar said:

That's exactly the kind of historical tidbits I find so interesting. Thanks for explaning (and making me go to wikipedia and learn even more stuff)

You're welcome. Glad to be of help. 

[SparvieroVV]

Yeah after the d'Aosta flag I expect anything. 

 

It will be nice to have a different flag to fly from my ships. The eagle is golden so not too hard to differentiate from the RSI flag. Oddly enough I plan to be in Salo later this month. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoriale_degli_italiani

 

[Jethro_Grey]

6 hours ago, Verdius said:

So it will just be a flatout better Amagi.... Yay for more premium powercreep....

 

Except not.

[SparvieroVV]

18 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

 

Except not.

 

Adding range to guns that are less accurate doesn't seem much help. Nor does it have a torpedo bulge and that's a lot of real estate to expose for some suicide torps.

[Jethro_Grey]

22 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

 

Adding range to guns that are less accurate doesn't seem much help. Nor does it have a torpedo bulge and that's a lot of real estate to expose for some suicide torps.

 

Her real strength so far seems to be the good AA. The torps are too situational, and her AA will get reduced during a battle, considering a new HE meta has emerged with the arrival of the RN BBs. 

If you specc her for AA, you can't specc fire reduction so she is indeed balanced...unlike say the Belfast and pretty much every single RN BB.         

[WolfGewehr]

It would be a wonder if we got a balanced premium in a while. Just hoping they won't f*ck up with Kii.

[OVanBruce]

I can't help but look at Kii as just an improved Amagi. Her bad points compared to Amagi are easily overcome with good play while the extras she gets over Amagi are flat versatility improvements any skilled player will put to good use. She's got the great IJN guns+the great USN AA+The Derpitz torpedoes, all in one package.

[GhostRiderMax123]

5 minutes ago, OVanBruce said:

I can't help but look at Kii as just an improved Amagi. Her bad points compared to Amagi are easily overcome with good play while the extras she gets over Amagi are flat versatility improvements any skilled player will put to good use. She's got the great IJN guns+the great USN AA+The Derpitz torpedoes, all in one package.

 

Saw Flamu's video on her. She is almost an improved Amagi I can see her being a good solid BB :/ The torps are going to catch people out I think.

[Nechrom]

9 hours ago, Verdius said:

So it will just be a flatout better Amagi.... Yay for more premium powercreep....

 

What do you mean?

All the stats being changed still end up worse than on the Amagi.

[Gojuadorai]

2 hours ago, Nechrom said:

 

What do you mean?

All the stats being changed still end up worse than on the Amagi.

 

well i would say if a batch of characteristics (like guns) is just a bit worse and another part (like AA) is significantly better  that makes a  verry simmilar overall better ship

 

since im not a tester i can only assume but i whish they made the ship either very similar (so they are arguably the same) or significantly diffrent

but not that type of simmilar that one if them will be clearly better than the other.

[Nechrom]

1 minute ago, Gojuadorai said:

well i would say if a batch of characteristics (like guns) is just a bit worse and another part (like AA) is significantly better  that makes a  verry simmilar overall better ship

 

since im not a tester i can only assume but i whish they made the ship either very similar (so they are arguably the same) or significantly diffrent

but not that type of simmilar that one if them will be clearly better than the other.

 

AA, while significantly better, is still very situational. Only useful if there are CVs in the battle and only if it decides to drop on you.

Meanwhile slightly worse reload, slightly worse turret traverse and slightly worse accuracy. Despite being small disadvantages, are all very important almost all the time.

[Gojuadorai]

10 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

 

AA, while significantly better, is still very situational. Only useful if there are CVs in the battle and only if it decides to drop on you.

Meanwhile slightly worse reload, slightly worse turret traverse and slightly worse accuracy. Despite being small disadvantages, are all very important almost all the time.

 

yes it might be ok (and also it might not)

i just wish they did not take that route of making them that close

either make them "copy pasta" so you cant posibly say one of them is better

or make them significantly diffrent 

[Major_Damage225]

To me Amagi still looks like the better ship, as pointed AA is situational but for me, Amagi's accuracy trups Kii, armor wise i cant say, i havent tried Kii, but i know that Amagi can tank like a champ. 

[Darth_Glorious]

If you angle your armour,  Kii and Amagi have the same tankiness. So it is not really different. 

[Major_Damage225]

Thing is, well why did they make Kii with a refit, i kind of like to see them with the plethora of 140mm's, Tosa had a tonn of them, Kii was planned form what i know to carry 8 on eitherside, i just hope when Ise/Hyuga comes in the BB variant that the casemates under the forcastle are not removed. 

(i know its "balace yadayada")  i just think they look better with them. 

[YukiEiriKun]

3 hours ago, Darth_Glorious said:

If you angle your armour,  Kii and Amagi have the same tankiness. So it is not really different. 

BTW, how does this matter ow that the HE spamming BB's rule the waves?

 

I'm curious, have not really played against them yet.

[Capra76]

Next round of PT starts tomorrow:  Public Test 0.6.11

 

The new smoke spotting mechanics are being trialed, there's one day's premium on offer for 3 wins in Minotaur so WG are clearly interested in the effect this change will have on the RN, perhaps this would be a good time to experiment with an IFHE/DE captain build.

 

The naval bases are interesting, I'm not sure what effect they'll have though.

[PseudoMi]

So, the big IFHE cruiser nerf planned got cancelled, remains a small buff for DDs.

 

Will they abandon any IFHE cruiser nerf ?

[El2aZeR]

20 hours ago, WolfGewehr said:

It would be a wonder if we got a balanced premium in a while.

 

Enterprise is pretty balanced. :P

(No, I'm serious. A well played Enterprise is either equal to or slightly worse than a well played Shokaku.)

 

5 minutes ago, PseudoMi said:

Will they abandon any IFHE cruiser nerf ?

 

Dude, they're cruisers, not BBs.

AND IFHE hurts BBs.

Ofc it's gonna get nerfed. 

 

On a more serious note, WG has obviously acknowledged IFHE as a problem. Like the smoke changes they're probably going to trial different things in the next few patches and see what works.

[mtm78]

Nah they will leave IFHE, they will just nerf HE in general   

[El2aZeR]

6 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Nah they will leave IFHE, they will just nerf HE in general   

 

Well, or that :D

[Capra76]

7 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Nah they will leave IFHE, they will just nerf HE in general   

 

Either that or FF becomes a default captain skill for BB, thus resulting in a massive de facto nerf for HE anyway.

[Exocet6951]

I wouldn't mind a complete revamp of armor plating in relation to HE penetration threshold for light cruisers, after (or if ever) the BB population is culled rectified.
 

A way for BBs tiers3 to 7 (non German) to survive a constant rain of 152mm IFHE, but still be vulnerable to 203mm HE.
Right now, it honestly just feels wrong to have a Cleveland, or Shchors and just pump 4-5k damage salvoes on a poor New Mexico every 8 seconds. Even with damage mitigation, the damage is just overwhelming.

All that while not making IFHE a requirement for CLs to damage the 25mm plating of cruisers past a certain tier.


In short, WG needs to sit down, take a long hard look at armor and HE damage, then change it.
CLs need to be able to be efficient againt DDs and CAs without IFHE, but have a harder time against BBs (granted there are less per battle)
CAs need to be more jack of all trades, works against everything because without excelling.

For the moment, it's hard to justify having a CA when a CL can penetrate the same stuff as you can using IFHE, all while having better RoF and generally more guns and being better against DDs because of it.
 

[El2aZeR]

22 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

I wouldn't mind a complete revamp of armor plating in relation to HE penetration threshold for light cruisers, after (or if ever) the BB population is culled rectified.

 

Nononono, you're looking at it wrong.

You just make everyone play BBs instead. That way WG does not need to balance cruisers, HE or IFHE anymore because cruisers will no longer exist. 

[Exocet6951]

35 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Nononono, you're looking at it wrong.

You just make everyone play BBs instead. That way WG does not need to balance cruisers, HE or IFHE anymore because cruisers will no longer exist. 

 

Oh god you just reminded me that they want French BBs before the end of the year...
(If I recall correctly)
Enjoy your branch of 30 knot ships from tier6 on, with cruiser killing high velocity 15" guns on quad turrets !

 

 

Honestly at this point I even changed my mind and I'd even be open to the guided missiles they were testing out earlier this year.