Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Dampfboot]

Whatever pills, mushrooms or powder they are taking in the WG development / balancing department, it is TOO much!

[Unintentional_submarine]

Based on gm3d Guilio Cesare now has a horizontal dispersion of 156m, which is still pretty impressive, but less insane. Compared to Dunkerque's 163m at 18.2km, it isn't even that crazy. The vertical dispersion is not going to be the balancing factor. It is almost exactly the same as König's (same'ish range, same'ish vertical disprsion).

 

Right now I am less concerned than before, as she appears to be a sort of König-Dunkerque combo in gunpower. Neither of which are OP at present. However, the values might change and so on. All in all, right now I am not convinced one way or the other and await CC previewing before I will decide for myself.

[Gojuadorai]

1 minute ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

Based on gm3d Guilio Cesare now has a horizontal dispersion of 156m, which is still pretty impressive, but less insane. Compared to Dunkerque's 163m at 18.2km, it isn't even that crazy. The vertical dispersion is not going to be the balancing factor. It is almost exactly the same as König's (same'ish range, same'ish vertical disprsion).

 

Right now I am less concerned than before, as she appears to be a sort of König-Dunkerque combo in gunpower. Neither of which are OP at present. However, the values might change and so on. All in all, right now I am not convinced one way or the other and await CC previewing before I will decide for myself.

 

if thats so im concerned about the 1.5 sigma....

cause honestly i dont play the dunq. because its dipersion drives me insane at times.

 

[darkwingfighter]

1 hour ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

 Compared to Dunkerque's 163m at 18.2km, it isn't even that crazy. 

But Dunkek has 244 at 18.2km

[Darth_Glorious]

Giulio Cesare has double bow (19 mm external bow and 85 mm internal bow)

It also has 19 mm deck.

So It can be overmatched even by  German 283 mm guns 

[Darth_Glorious]

https://sea-group.org/?p=3499&lang=en

Giulio Cesare guns :

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Giulio Cesare has a extremely low maximum dispersion (and thus σ is set low in an attempt to control the shell grouping) due to the fact that she uses the DDs/Atlanta's Range-Dispersion formula . But it is not a new thing to WoWS audience: the Tier X battleship Conqueror briefly enjoyed this kind of dispersion on her debut.

 

[Darth_Glorious]

https://sea-group.org/?p=3493&lang=en

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Thanks to the powerful Soviet DP guns, Huang He's AA power matches Cleveland in Tier VI, and she has both Hydroacoustic Search and Defensive AA Fire at disposal. Though she can't generate smoke screen, she has no concealment penalty firing inside the smoke 

 

[mtm78]

Historically accurate I bet....

[Gojuadorai]

23 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Historically accurate I bet....

 

well theres an whole redit topic made from chinese players that the ship is historically inacc. as F

 

here you go

[mtm78]

21 minutes ago, Gojuadorai said:

well theres an whole redit topic made from chinese players that the ship is historically inacc. as F

 

here you go

 

Ahhh, color me surprised :)

[Unintentional_submarine]

23 hours ago, darkwingfighter said:

But Dunkek has 244 at 18.2km

Yes, just looked over other ships, and yes, I can't make heads or tails of the horizontal dispersion. I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for those values at gm3d, but I don't know what the hell it is.

[Affeks]

On 2.9.2017 at 4:27 PM, mtm78 said:

 

You mean even dispersion benefit isn't limited to babies anymore.. what a surprise   

Important thing to note is that it has a 1.5 sigma, so it will still be far less accurate than a normal cruiser.

[darkwingfighter]

14 hours ago, Darth_Glorious said:

So It can be overmatched even by  German 283 mm guns 

Just like every single T5 BB? Yes I know that 4/5 have tougher main deck. But since people when talking about Yamato lolpen forget about main deck, I shall also do it here

[mtm78]

15 hours ago, Affeks said:

Important thing to note is that it has a 1.5 sigma, so it will still be far less accurate than a normal cruiser.

 

True, in fact I think this will be extremely frustrating ( I hated Fuso for same reason -> vertical dispersion aka shots going long and short aka straddling the target ).I mean I also <3 Fuso for when she get's it right, but it's why I dislike playing battleships in general, to much variance for individual rolls/rng and low rof make it .. frustrating... even if overall performance is pretty broken on most babyboats. 

 

 

[Affeks]

4 hours ago, mtm78 said:

 

True, in fact I think this will be extremely frustrating ( I hated Fuso for same reason -> vertical dispersion aka shots going long and short aka straddling the target ).I mean I also <3 Fuso for when she get's it right, but it's why I dislike playing battleships in general, to much variance for individual rolls/rng and low rof make it .. frustrating... even if overall performance is pretty broken on most babyboats. 

 

 

Same

 

 

Then again Fuso doesnt have cruiser dispersion :^)

[Darth_Glorious]

ST, IJN tier VIII battleship Kii.

Planned changes for the next test version: +700 m to firing range (19380 m total), -4 s to main battery reload (31 s total), +0.7 degrees per s to main battery rotation speed.

https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/posts/1928731447453193

 

--> why play Amagi anymore  ? 

 

[Verdius]

1 minute ago, Darth_Glorious said:

ST, IJN tier VIII battleship Kii.

Planned changes for the next test version: +700 m to firing range (19380 m total), -4 s to main battery reload (31 s total), +0.7 degrees per s to main battery rotation speed.

https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/posts/1928731447453193

 

So it will just be a flatout better Amagi.... Yay for more premium powercreep....

[avenger121]

42 minutes ago, Verdius said:

So it will just be a flatout better Amagi.... Yay for more premium powercreep....

 

At least Amagi will be better looking, especially the turrets.

[Gojuadorai]

4 hours ago, Verdius said:

So it will just be a flatout better Amagi.... Yay for more premium powercreep....

 

kinda had the same thought....

if the ship needs buffs then buff something that doesnt make it closer to the amagi...

[Spectre__]

From Flamu's vid she doesn't look op but quite balanced , she has worse armor than amagi , worse torp protection ( not that it matters much ) , AP bombs might be a problem but she gets better AA , from the looks of it , for me it feels like bismarck-tirpitz style balance which i find good . 

But i bet you guys want another Belfast style ship ... cuz umm she has no gimmicks and no she doesn't look like a straight up better Amagi . 

 

 

[Historynerd]

I'll leave the technical details to the experts, and I'll leave my two cents on aesthetics only.

This flag at least makes more sense than the one of the Duca d'Aosta.

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Although I have to admit that my paranoia may be getting the better of me; at first I thought it was very similar to the RSI battle flag, but upon further examination I realized it wasn't the case.

[Bellegar]

13 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

I'll leave the technical details to the experts, and I'll leave my two cents on aesthetics only.

This flag at least makes more sense than the one of the Duca d'Aosta.

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Although I have to admit that my paranoia may be getting the better of me; at first I thought it was very similar to the RSI battle flag, but upon further examination I realized it wasn't the case.

As somebody who's interested in historical/political tidbits, what's weird with Duca's flag? And what's more sensible about this one?

[Historynerd]

4 minutes ago, Bellegar said:

As somebody who's interested in historical/political tidbits, what's weird with Duca's flag? And what's more sensible about this one?

The Duca's collector flag had the Lion of Judah, a symbol of Ethiopia; it was probably a reference to Duke Amedeo of Savoia-Aosta, Viceroy of Italian East Africa before and during WWII, but the ship was named after his father, so... I honestly felt it didn't make much sense.

 

This one is rather transparent: golden imperial eagle, which holds a SPQR (Rome's motto) in his claws. Nothing to say about this one.

[NoirLotus]

1 hour ago, Spectre__ said:

From Flamu's vid she doesn't look op but quite balanced , she has worse armor than amagi , worse torp protection ( not that it matters much ) , AP bombs might be a problem but she gets better AA , from the looks of it , for me it feels like bismarck-tirpitz style balance which i find good . 

But i bet you guys want another Belfast style ship ... cuz umm she has no gimmicks and no she doesn't look like a straight up better Amagi . 

 

 

 

Maybe not OP but it's just another T8 BB with very strong AAA, whie it's supposed to be the IJN BB weakness.

 

I'm sure that CV players are rejoycing at the idea that in the end, there will be almost no BB that they will be able to attack without suffering heavy losses (in the better case, as it is just suicidal to attack some BBs).

 

So much for the CV rework ...

[Bellegar]

17 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

The Duca's collector flag had the Lion of Judah, a symbol of Ethiopia; it was probably a reference to Duke Amedeo of Savoia-Aosta, Viceroy of Italian East Africa before and during WWII, but the ship was named after his father, so... I honestly felt it didn't make much sense.

 

This one is rather transparent: golden imperial eagle, which holds a SPQR (Rome's motto) in his claws. Nothing to say about this one.

That's exactly the kind of historical tidbits I find so interesting. Thanks for explaning (and making me go to wikipedia and learn even more stuff)