SparvieroVV Players 684 posts 73 battles Report post #6501 Posted August 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Redgecohones said: Well, didn't want to single out indian's as too specific, and last I checked India (the land mass) was a 'sub-continent'. Goodness knows I can't keep up with what counts as 'offensive' these days. My point was not to target any ethnic group just the whole "why on earth do they bother doing this when it's so obviously counter to the reality - just say what it is" kinda thing. Apologies it was meant as a joke. My humor should come with a fire hazard warning as it is a little dry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #6502 Posted August 31, 2017 32 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said: QE AA rating 78 at tier 6 is retard...(Can buff it to 81 with AA flag but it will be overkill) Rating is irrelevant, what counts are the raw stats. Aside from her DP guns, which are pretty good, everything has a sub 3km base range. That'll make her unable to outright deny strikes but will potentially make them very costly. She's at a tier where you're now supposed to learn to hunt DDs as a CV anyway so it shouldn't bother people too much. Especially considering having loads of AA concentrated on a small surface as QE does means that she's gonna lose a good chunk with every HE volley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #6503 Posted August 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: Rating is irrelevant, what counts are the raw stats. Aside from her DP guns, which are pretty good, everything has a sub 3km base range. That'll make her unable to outright deny strikes but will potentially make them very costly. She's at a tier where you're now supposed to learn to hunt DDs as a CV anyway so it shouldn't bother people too much. Especially considering having loads of AA concentrated on a small surface as QE does means that she's gonna lose a good chunk with every HE volley. I got 48 planes kills in 1 battle today Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #6504 Posted August 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Darth_Glorious said: I got 48 planes kills in 1 battle today Well, T6 & 7 are right now the harshest tiers for CVs anyway, making it a bit harsher will barely bother veterans while being another kick to the sensitive parts of new players. #justWGthings I suppose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redgecohones Beta Tester 98 posts 2,268 battles Report post #6505 Posted August 31, 2017 6 hours ago, SparvieroVV said: Apologies it was meant as a joke. My humor should come with a fire hazard warning as it is a little dry. No worries, m8. I thought you might be at the time, but given the craziness you see all over the place these days, thought it best to nail down exactly what I meant juuust to be on the safe side. Text can leave one unsure of context. S'why I tend to spam emotes all over my posts. 6 hours ago, El2aZeR said: Well, T6 & 7 are right now the harshest tiers for CVs anyway, making it a bit harsher will barely bother veterans while being another kick to the sensitive parts of new players. #justWGthings I suppose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *sigh* For all that it shouldn't matter, I really want my nations BB's to be good. But not the kinda good that just leads to constant criticism and a gnawing feeling of guilt at even stepping into them! (not I hasten to point out, that my casual asses personal stats are likely to be THAT high! but even so!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #6506 Posted August 31, 2017 https://youtu.be/VEDqe2Y14BI Flamu's review of the 'balanced' T4 Orion that has better HE than a Montana and manages to even powercreep Nikolai 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #6507 Posted August 31, 2017 11 hours ago, Darth_Glorious said: I got 48 planes kills in 1 battle today Reveal hidden contents I've got a 17 point full AA spec QE captain ready and waiting :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #6508 Posted August 31, 2017 WG HQ -> we got a BB population issue WG dev -> Let's add powercreep BB line to game, will help drive players away from to easy to play battleships and instead they play even easier to play battleships! WG HQ -> Da comrade, you earned new promotion! 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #6509 Posted August 31, 2017 24 minutes ago, mtm78 said: WG HQ -> we got a BB population issue WG dev -> Let's add powercreep BB line to game, will help drive players away from to easy to play battleships and instead they play even easier to play battleships! WG HQ -> Da comrade, you earned new promotion! Tin foil hat time! They couldn't possibly justify more buffs to BBs, so they release this line that completely powercreeps the rest so they have an excuse to buff BBs once again to make them more in line with these. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #6510 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Verdius said: Tin foil hat time! They couldn't possibly justify more buffs to BBs, so they release this line that completely powercreeps the rest so they then can buff BBs once again to make them more in line with these. *edited because I am told CC reviews can't be posted on forum if they contain profane language.....* Go to youtube, seach for 'flamu Orion perfectly balanced' -> watch -> laugh -> uninstall? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XODUS] JaiFoh Players 799 posts 4,868 battles Report post #6511 Posted August 31, 2017 57 minutes ago, Verdius said: first time i have actually been laughing out loud during one of Flamu's videos Clearly someone in the Royal Navy works at Wargaming and somehow managed to convince everyone in the R&D department that these are in reality the Russian Battleships only to do a bait and switch at the last minute. Nerf coming in 0.6.11? fastest nerf ever? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #6512 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, mtm78 said: WG HQ -> we got a BB population issue WG dev -> Let's add powercreep BB line to game, will help drive players away from to easy to play battleships and instead they play even easier to play battleships! WG HQ -> Da comrade, you earned new promotion! Or was the issue that someone is still playing cruisers trying to burn down BBs and that must be corrected? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Gojuadorai Players 2,832 posts 21,712 battles Report post #6513 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, JaiFoh said: first time i have actually been laughing out loud during one of Flamu's videos you clearly havnt seen the megazao vid.... sry for offtopic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #6514 Posted August 31, 2017 Don;t worry, they will be balanced by Pan Asia DDs Anw, RIP Jap DDs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #6515 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, mtm78 said: Go to youtube, seach for 'flamu Orion perfectly balanced' -> watch -> laugh -> uninstall? Watch it with Bloodhound Gang's "fire water burn" pumping away in the background for maximum effect. (won't post a link for same reason). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SparvieroVV Players 684 posts 73 battles Report post #6516 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Darth_Glorious said: Don;t worry, they will be balanced by Pan Asia DDs Anw, RIP Jap DDs The fact they went from depth setting to a torpedo that impacts based on class saddens me. I always get a little chuckle/rage when a torpedo passes just under the stern. Now I guess if that happens and class = battleship the magnetic pistol will trigger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #6517 Posted August 31, 2017 4 hours ago, SparvieroVV said: The fact they went from depth setting to a torpedo that impacts based on class saddens me. I always get a little chuckle/rage when a torpedo passes just under the stern. Now I guess if that happens and class = battleship the magnetic pistol will trigger? The normal torps of high tier Pan Asian DDs are very capable. They are fast, more stealthy than Jap torps and they also have very high chance of flooding, almost 1 flooding per hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HMSR] Major_Damage225 Beta Tester 2,875 posts 7,295 battles Report post #6518 Posted August 31, 2017 Sometimes im just stumped, ijn torps were suposed to be the national flavour of stealth and punch, nowdays every nation has better torps, better stealth, more usable range (16+km range is completly useless) ... ohh the irony lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #6519 Posted September 1, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/ Quote Greetings! Today we are happy to share some news. After starting the initiative to rework Graf Zeppelin with your help, we’ve been watching your comments on forums and social media, discussing current issues internally and planning the directions for upcoming testing. First, we would like to sincerely thank you all for supporting our efforts and providing various ideas. We found a popular concept that is thoroughly described in a video and a Reddit post by one of the skilled CV commanders Farazelleth. To sum up, he suggests two flight control modules (2x5-3x3-1x8 and 3x5-2x3-1x8), with plane stats and drop patterns redone, but overall, it is a highly detailed concept, so we recommend you see the full version for the complete information. While we like this concept and believe it can work, we would like to try other ideas first . Now, we do realise that many of you just want a KM carrier with more or less traditional gameplay, and are opposed to introducing so-called “gimmicks”, but there are very strong reasons to try something different first, and then, in case it doesn’t work, get to the concept that already works with other carriers. Graf Zeppelin is going to be the only KM carrier, without a full researchable line to back her up. Thus, she will need a separate captain (and she won’t serve as a captain trainer much). There is Kaga for the IJN line, there are Enterprise and Saipan for the USN line, with Graf being a premium carrier most players will want for gameplay and collection only. And with this positioning, she probably won’t be a good choice as your first premium ship. Tweaking her to be too conventional will only contribute to this problem and while we can live with her being just a premium ship, we believe she’s significant enough to try harder. Of course, uniqueness must come with enjoyable experience. This is why we are adopting the more traditional concept suggestion as a plan B. Graf Zeppelin will be tested in a couple of experimental forms first. All test participants will be able to try them and tell us whether it’s fun, whether it works and whether we should go on with it. Right now, we don’t know where Graf Zeppelin will settle, but we look forward to exploring various options with you. No doubts, with thorough testing and your help, the best solution will be found. Test invites will be sent early next week - watch the news here, you won’t miss it. Fair seas, and have good week-end! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #6520 Posted September 1, 2017 this is great, what we need now is information on the entire CV rework and the balance between USN and IJN CV's and what they intend to do about it and when. To be honest, I know people have spent money on GZ but I think its of at least equal priority to fix regular USN carriers and wider issues with CV's so that they can then work on the third CV line and really make CV's popular again because most of the problems the game has now can be directly attributed to the lack of CVs in the game. I will almost certainly buy myself a GZ if it becomes competitive in the future however. To anyone who says USN CV's don't need fixing, go and have a look at the stats on wows-numbers.com on all four servers for carriers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #6521 Posted September 1, 2017 Quote While we like this concept and believe it can work, we would like to try other ideas first - like the concept - believe it can work "Oh boy, better go try something else first!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Unintentional_submarine [SPUDS] Beta Tester 4,052 posts 8,765 battles Report post #6522 Posted September 1, 2017 11 hours ago, Verdius said: Tin foil hat time! They couldn't possibly justify more buffs to BBs, so they release this line that completely powercreeps the rest so they have an excuse to buff BBs once again to make them more in line with these. It's working... I have already run into people that demand better HE for other BBs. Because BBs in general surely need buffs, now that RN BBs have shown them that there is something the other BBs aren't best at. When I think back on those chats that fall into the 'uncanny valley' I can't help but also think of Queen's "I want it all", because it doesn't get any closer than that. My concern is that they might in fact get that. After all, as the common meme is going already, people have complained about BB AP blapping everything... easy solution, just make the HE even better. No more AP, no more AP problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #6523 Posted September 1, 2017 Huut damn lads, you are beginning to depress me here... Perhaps a good time to start testing out my newly acquired "Naval Action" then? I also do have that still pending Tanukhids Campaign in Attila, Total war... Hmmm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WJDE] Khul Beta Tester 520 posts 2,891 battles Report post #6524 Posted September 1, 2017 16 hours ago, EsaTuunanen said: Or was the issue that someone is still playing cruisers and that must be corrected? FTFY. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redgecohones Beta Tester 98 posts 2,268 battles Report post #6525 Posted September 1, 2017 7 hours ago, El2aZeR said: - like the concept - believe it can work "Oh boy, better go try something else first!" *Translation* " We need to show we're listening so lets get all complementary about this fellow who actually has some sense. Now that that's done lets get back to, what we always were planning for the rework after we released her unfinished. If (when) that f**ks up we now have a cool out that makes us look like we care." Perhaps a little hyperbole but not all that much imho. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites