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[Bellegar]

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After seeing everybody else's reaction I guess I'm just very weird but I actually like this.

It's the same kind of hilarious beyond belief as the Stars and Stripes Texas. It's just so over the top it's funny

 

Giulio Cesare...... instabuy when unbundled <3

[piet11111]

20 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

Duca d'Aosta... Giulio Cesare...

 

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Interesting how the two first Italian ships released have served for the USSR too...

 

Not really that interesting because the russians have all the info they need about these ships in the archives that are most easily accessible to wargaming.

If anything its a bit surprising that it took so long for these ships to get in game.

[Exocet6951]

28 minutes ago, Bellegar said:

After seeing everybody else's reaction I guess I'm just very weird but I actually like this.

It's the same kind of hilarious beyond belief as the Stars and Stripes Texas. It's just so over the top it's funny

 

Giulio Cesare...... instabuy when unbundled <3

 

Well it just works better with the Stars and Stripes because it's the sort of extremely kitch thing you'd expect from a US ship.
Also, it's their actual flag.

This is just...
"lol look, stripes, a CCCP emblem and a star! Obviously a very Soviet ship!"
It just tries too hard.


Fully agree with the GC though 

[Hades_warrior]

On patch note for upcoming patch was some new yellow/orange camo. After Saint Patrick's day camo, I didnt realize WG can make same ugly camo, again.

 

This Cesare BB seems interesting with that gun setup. 2x2 + 2x3

[Verdius]

10 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/

 

 

ST, Smokes, IFHE and Radar update.
Radar changes have been reverted. IFHE fire chance penalty for 139mm+ guns have been reverted to -3%. The penalty for smaller caliber remains decreased (-1%). Detectability changes remain. These settings combined will be tested in update 0.6.11 ST.

 

Glad that the ridiculous radar changes are gone for now. I don't really like the current radar mechanic and making it needlesly complex and kind of ridiculous (lol 18km CV detection) is not something that would improve the game. Not to mention it would make radar cruisers even more important and be a buff to Missouri, Belfast and Black, all of which I'd rather see nerfbatted instead. The smoke detection changes are fine by me.

I was kind of hoping that WG would do something to make CA great again more competitive in some way against IFHE light cruisers though.

[Boris_MNE]

I am satisfied with smoke changes and ifhe buff to dds... so far so good :) no more camping in smoke lol (for BBs)

[NoirLotus]

Great  !!

 

So IFHE needed to get nerfed but the Kutuzov & Belfast owners whined so much that now magically there is no more problem with it ??

 

Seriously WG, if you go in that direction with IFHE, you'd better annouce a nerf on Kutuzov & Belfast very fast ...

[Gojuadorai]

i wonder ehy they kicked the radar change  i was a great fan of this one 

[LastButterfly]

2 hours ago, piet11111 said:

If anything its a bit surprising that it took so long for these ships to get in game.

 

Easy access in archives ? I doubt having detailed infos about all Vittorio Venetto class would be any challenging. Besides VV class is far more well known internationally and the higher tier means they can sell it for a higher price. Just like they did with Tirpitz. They didn't release a Bayern-class...

 

So yes, the choice of older, cheaper, less known ships that only have in common the fact that they were transferred to Russia is indeed intersting to say the least... But not surprising no.

[DrCaesar]

5 hours ago, Haleos said:

 

You want to say Macedonia, don't you?

Yes, I prefer to say Macedonia but I was warned some years ago that saying such might trigger some people in Balkans :/

[NoirLotus]

1 hour ago, Gojuadorai said:

i wonder ehy they kicked the radar change  i was a great fan of this one 

 

Man it would have been impossible to remember 5 (classes) x 4 (tiers) x  2 (nations = 40 different radar spotting distances in game ...

[44smok]

let's make a deal: We will keep saying Macedonia until Greeks pay back their debt

[tonypsr]

5 hours ago, Haleos said:

 

Doesn't matter. I am just aware of dear Greeks' obsession with calling that country FYROM and not Macedonia. Comes funny to me, I hope I did not offend.

 

You didn't offend me. And no it isn't "Greek's obsession", it is called "knowledge of history". Besides the fact that still the official name is FYROM, I don't think that it is right and clever to accept something as being true whithout knowing the facts and judging it as being true indeed. Else I am a victim of propaganda. When a nation steals the history of another nation (they don't use only the name Macedonia but they claim to own the history and legacy of the name- even though 2.200 years later) then it is not funny. Whoever wants to know the truth and not being a victim of propaganda, then he can seach for the opinion of reputed ancient and present historians on the internet. Whoever is bored of searching, I will just say one simple thing: the language used in the area of Macedonia for 2200 years is the Greek one, not the "Macedonian" one. ALL ancient Macedonian signs are written in Greek. A modern Greek can read and understand them, a "Macedonian" can do the same? I don't think so. Even the word "Macedonia" is greek. The historical name of that region is "Vardarska Banovina" and the habitants are Slaves in origin and culture.

 

1 hour ago, DrCaesar said:

Yes, I prefer to say Macedonia but I was warned some years ago that saying such might trigger some people in Balkans :/

 

You can call them as you like, but History and facts can't change and can't lie.

 

46 minutes ago, 44smok said:

let's make a deal: We will keep saying Macedonia until Greeks pay back their debt

 

So, since almost every country on this planet has debt we can steal and appropriate whatever country's name, legacy and history we want to........ until they pay back their debt.

Nice joke.

 

 

 

Unless something else ahistorical is written I won't intervene again (and I apologize for doing that once already), since this excellent forum is about historical warships and not history itself. I just want people to know HISTORY and not being victims of propaganda.

 

PS. If anyone is interested in learning more, then he can PM me for more facts and documents that will make him think and judge by himself.

 

Best Regards,

tonypsr

[Unintentional_submarine]

4 hours ago, piet11111 said:

 

Not really that interesting because the russians have all the info they need about these ships in the archives that are most easily accessible to wargaming.

If anything its a bit surprising that it took so long for these ships to get in game.

Quite.

The Italians, as far as I have understood WG have their naval archives incredibly jumbled. They are not in one location, and the actual files as hard to find. These two ships, having served in the Soviet naval forces would have been highly measured and made plans of (if for no other reason than to have a good platform to make upgrades or fix broken things). And we know Lesta have been in good contact with the Russian/Soviet naval archives (sometimes a little too good perhaps *coughGKtipleturretscough*). So this makes a lot of sense. And it would explain why Roma appears to take such a long time to develop.

 

In any case, with that dispersion I'm sure you could get a 1.0 sigma and still have a pretty nice setup.

[Verdius]

15 minutes ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

Quite.

The Italians, as far as I have understood WG have their naval archives incredibly jumbled.

 

Why am I not surprised

[Capra76]

3 hours ago, NoirLotus said:

Great  !!

 

So IFHE needed to get nerfed but the Kutuzov & Belfast owners whined so much that now magically there is no more problem with it ??

 

Seriously WG, if you go in that direction with IFHE, you'd better annouce a nerf on Kutuzov & Belfast very fast ...

 

I'm slightly confused by the changes to IFHE, it seems that they are keeping it the same except for a buff to ships that use it with < 139 mm guns, which is what exactly?  Akizuiki and what else?

 

I mean seriously, what is the point of having an entire captain skill that's balanced around one ship?

[Shagulon]

Not sure I understand the IFHE changes. As far as I can make out there is no longer any nerf to over performing 152mm CLs and instead just an IFHE buff? -1% fire chance is essentially now a must have buff with no downside?

 

As for the radar change, I'm sure people would have gotten used to it. It is only DDs that really care about radar, most other ships are firing unless they are running or laying an ambush. Even then radar spotting is not a death sentence. Perhaps they could harmonise the values a little.

[Capra76]

16 minutes ago, Shagulon said:

Not sure I understand the IFHE changes. As far as I can make out there is no longer any nerf to over performing 152mm CLs and instead just an IFHE buff? -1% fire chance is essentially now a must have buff with no downside?

 

Thinking a bit further, the only other ships I can see that obviously benefit are high tier RU DD that can now HE pen same tier cruisers without too much of a penalty, because there are obviously too many T8+ cruisers aren't there and Khaba isn't OP enough?

[mtm78]

25 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

Thinking a bit further, the only other ships I can see that obviously benefit are high tier RU DD that can now HE pen same tier cruisers without too much of a penalty, because there are obviously too many T8+ cruisers aren't there and Khaba isn't OP enough?

 

Maybe Khaba will be the only (light)cruiser left after Megazao appears  

[Takeda92]

17 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Maybe Khaba will be the only (light)cruiser left after Megazao appears  

Well with 6km torps, idk how will Khab ever kill a Conq when fires and HE can be healed that much. 

Not sure how any ship is supposed to kill it to be honest. Imagine 3 in a division of these.. all that HP

[Unintentional_submarine]

Well, it was pretty clear from their statements that they think IFHE is underutilised for DDs, aside from Akizuki. Now Anshan, and any other T5-6 DD you will have for the long term, can use it good effect. The target mainly affected would naturally be BBs. The main problem is of course that these tiers are less problematic. And Atlanta will get a nice little sideboost (again, mainly against BBs), but so will Flint (urgh).

I very much doubt people will pick IFHE for Khaba a lot, not because it won't be useful, but Khaba is already straining under the pressure of captain points. You will have to sacrifice something good for it. Not saying people won't try it, but I sort of doubt it will be very common. And she is sort of the best candidate for it at the high tiers.

 

In regards to completely canning the mega-reduction, I'm glad. Not because I don't see a problem with IFHE, but because a nerf here would be a nerf to CLs on the whole in order to alleviate issues with two premiums and CAs. That's a bad way of doing it. CAs' issues are better solved dealing with them on their own, rather than nerfing IFHE. Another problem is that the nerf would in fact be more of a BB buff than anything. And finally, it isn't a huge issues at this time. Once they find a way to make CAs more comfortable, arguably they could do with some survivability buffs, and reduce the BB numbers, then we can begin to talk about IFHE (and I think we should).

In short I think the IFHE nerf was close to a case of a step forward, and two steps back and even doing that in the wrong place.

[Gojuadorai]

3 hours ago, NoirLotus said:

Man it would have been impossible to remember 5 (classes) x 4 (tiers) x  2 (nations = 40 different radar spotting distances in game ...

 

1.) its not relevant to know it for BB's and CV (and partly for cruiser) to the meter exactly and for DD'S it was exactly the same. 

you could even argue that for people who ony play their man clase its the same ammount of values just diffrent from the ones now...

 

2.) thats way less than the numbers you have to know for the smoke firing since its  unique per ship an that one didnt get tossed or unified....

 

3.) a bit more complexety would not hurt this game at all  if you see in what balancing troble the devs run cause they have not enough screws to play on.....

(mostly making new line  unique or balancing a line like the usn CA's)

[SparvieroVV]

3 hours ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

Quite.

The Italians, as far as I have understood WG have their naval archives incredibly jumbled. They are not in one location, and the actual files as hard to find. These two ships, having served in the Soviet naval forces would have been highly measured and made plans of (if for no other reason than to have a good platform to make upgrades or fix broken things). And we know Lesta have been in good contact with the Russian/Soviet naval archives (sometimes a little too good perhaps *coughGKtipleturretscough*). So this makes a lot of sense. And it would explain why Roma appears to take such a long time to develop.

 

In any case, with that dispersion I'm sure you could get a 1.0 sigma and still have a pretty nice setup.

 

Hmm this sound familiar. MoD archives any? 

Seriously though there hasn't been much civil demand for a lot of this information. Bombings, corporate mergers, staff pilferage, etc have taken their tolls. I had hoped WG was going to hire one of the better researchers to aid them. Without someone who is used to working the system they are going to have as much fun as Sadkovich claimed to have had. Aka he had to buy and bring in his own copier. 

[Horin728]

9 hours ago, NoirLotus said:

 

Man it would have been impossible to remember 5 (classes) x 4 (tiers) x  2 (nations = 40 different radar spotting distances in game ...

 

To be honest CV already have to remeber AA values and with the additon of AP bombs even some armor ones :D

[Redgecohones]

5 hours ago, SparvieroVV said:

 

Hmm this sound familiar. MoD archives any? 

 

MoD is not in charge of the archives and someone who had actual experience with the people who do have charge of them pretty effectively scotched that suggestion when it was first brought up.

 

Speaking of, was it the rumour mill or actual statement from WG and/or it's CSR's?

 

Either way, not something i would typify as a credible source.

 

*shrug*