Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Nechrom]

2 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

You have to be fair thogh cruisers Job if posible is to hunt DDs or at lest push them from cap plus only german CA usally have usable hydro at high tir. Problem is that once they spoted they usally deleted by BBs if you do that early game. If you manage to survive past 10 minutes its important thogh and DDs are not suposed to conter CA/CL in they same way that BB AP os not soposed to wreck DDs as hard as Cruiser citadels.....

 

There is no way you can use the "counter" argument anymore. Just like the game hasn't followed the "rock-paper-scissors" design since before release.

Some individual ships are counters to other ships. That's as far as you can go. Cruisers as a class is just a framework not a role.

 

Everyone is fighting everyone and honestly that's the best way to go, with varying biases towards certain roles/jobs and specializations. Having (DD) torpedoes be more reliable assuming they are used correctly is a good thing. That includes them being more effective versus cruisers.

This early on I'm not even going to go into the specific circumstances under which those deep torps might or might not get implemented. Will we get the Fletcher as it is right now but with those torps? Possibly, but not likely unless we want a 62% avg WR DD at tier 9.

But that's also my point. If torpedoes end up being more reliable as a main armament, then there is room to apply that to only the DDs who need it, or re-balance those who had no right being as good as they are already pre-deep torps.

 

Most "counters" we have currently is more along the line of which ship can dictate the engagements. For the most part when that isn't a factor and it just comes down to ships shooting ships, the classes are more or less on equal footing with the exception of torpedo-focused DDs. That's the crux of this situation and something that I hope things like deep torpedoes might fix.

 

Also hydro has always been good when it comes to spotting torps, not just German hydro. The non-German hydro's weakness is that it's not enough to really spot hidden ships.

[Affeks]

Hey BB main here, and I must say deep water torps in their current state are unfair to cruisers.

 

Most cruisers dont even use Hydro due to Hydro and Def AA are in the same consumable slot. Anyway Hydro isnt always up, and also in the beginning of the game you will not always know where the first DDs will come from, making it so that by the time you know a DD is close its too late to hydro.

 

So I support most cruisers being immune to DWT, but instead let DDs chose between DWT and normal torps during battle. Anything else seems gimped imo

[Verdius]

Remember when heavy hitting torps on stealthy ships used to be the Japanese DD niche?

[Gojuadorai]

Just now, Gojuadorai said:

Nelson 375K FXP

 

source: stream live now

 

find it to be pretty steep price..... close to ridicolusly overpriced considering its half the xp for missouri

 

[Tyrendian89]

7 minutes ago, Gojuadorai said:

 

find it to be pretty steep price..... close to ridicolusly overpriced considering its half the xp for missouri

 

eh... dunno... sure, if you buy it straight with dubloons it's going to be above 10k even when using the bonus conversion event that sometimes pops up... but 375k freeXP isnt completely outlandish to save up. Thing is though, there are already so many T7 premiums that I'm not sure I can justify getting the Nelson as well, even though I would like having that fat ugly duck in port

[Gojuadorai]

7 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

eh... dunno... sure, if you buy it straight with dubloons it's going to be above 10k even when using the bonus conversion event that sometimes pops up... but 375k freeXP isnt completely outlandish to save up. Thing is though, there are already so many T7 premiums that I'm not sure I can justify getting the Nelson as well, even though I would like having that fat ugly duck in port

 

i havnt checked but someone said at normal coversion its 15k dubloons thats more than a alabama or tirpits (and probably KII)

thats just way too much 

 

i will get it either way cause i want it for collection but i feel robbed getting it

[Nechrom]

12 minutes ago, Gojuadorai said:

i havnt checked but someone said at normal coversion its 15k dubloons thats more than a alabama or tirpits (and probably KII)

thats just way too much 

 

i will get it either way cause i want it for collection but i feel robbed getting it

 

I mean if you buy it with money, that's up to you.

The idea is that you can get it without paying. If they wanted to price it according to other doubloon/shop premiums then it wouldn't cost free XP.

[Gojuadorai]

15 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

mean if you buy it with money, that's up to you.

 

im not getting it with money still i feel robbed of my free XP

since it does in no way compare to other ships prices.

[Nechrom]

1 minute ago, Gojuadorai said:

im not getting it with money still i feel robbed of my free XP

since it does in no way compare to other ships prices.

 

We only have one other free XP ship, which is also valued at almost 1mil free XP right now by WG.

[Affeks]

I didnt get Missouri and I wont get Nelson because free xp ships are seriously overpriced, both in terms of the freexp itself and if you wanna convert.

 

If they sell it as a normal prem then I will get it no doubt.

[Darth_Glorious]

Hmm, Kii barbettes have only 305 mm armour compared to 430 mm on Amagi...So they are more prone to be destroyed

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

6 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

Will it?  As is stated now, DD players must choose before the game starts: choose normal torpedoes and nothing is very different, but if you choose the new torpedoes cruiser will suffer but your ability to counter other DDs is nerfed.

 

More BBs will just sit in the back and be relatively unaffected.

 

 

if their guns are only remotely "made in America" on the high tier ships, you don't need your torpedoes to sink DDs.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

34 minutes ago, KaLeuWillenbrock said:

if their guns are only remotely "made in America" on the high tier ships, you don't need your torpedoes to sink DDs.

If your opponent smokes up, you will.

[Gojuadorai]

5 hours ago, Affeks said:

I didnt get Missouri and I wont get Nelson because free xp ships are seriously overpriced, both in terms of the freexp itself and if you wanna convert.

 

If they sell it as a normal prem then I will get it no doubt.

 

well i dont agree the Missoury is not overpriced.

its F*** expensive but it is not overpriced because of what it is.

its is a really good ship that earns so much 1-2 games a day rid you of all silver problems forever.

 

is doubt a medicore T7 premium will do the same for you thats why half the price is just too steep

if youre willing to spend real money you could get a massively better deal and get a T8 BB and even save money

 

i also would prefere to buy it with real money for a more reasonable price...

[mtm78]

Do we already know the credit earning potential of Nelson? What are the cammo bonuses? Anything captain xp training like?

 

edit: you know what, thinking about the kind of people who would propose destroyers to be FORCED to choose an ammo type before a game and therefore restrict who they can hurt in game, just as when WG seems to think this should perhaps apply to CV's as well, when all other classes can switch between HE and AP and engage all types of targets... those are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for the current 60% BBaby infestation. 

 

Trust = 0%. 

 

Don't need to know stuff about Nelson, it's not relevant for a game I won't play. 

[Nechrom]

3 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Do we already know the credit earning potential of Nelson? What are the cammo bonuses? Anything captain xp training like?

 

Looks like it will have regular Type 10 camo. So standard tier VII premium.

XP and credit coefficient of the actual ship is unknown.

[1MajorKoenig]

7 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Do we already know the credit earning potential of Nelson? What are the cammo bonuses? Anything captain xp training like?

 

edit: you know what, thinking about the kind of people who would propose destroyers to be FORCED to choose an ammo type before a game and therefore restrict who they can hurt in game, just as when WG seems to think this should perhaps apply to CV's as well, when all other classes can switch between HE and AP and engage all types of targets... those are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for the current 60% BBaby infestation. 

 

Trust = 0%. 

 

Don't need to know stuff about Nelson, it's not relevant for a game I won't play. 

 

Nelson is ugly as hell and a rather obvious money grab. Not interested no matter what modifiers they put on her camo.

 

mtm78, are you really thinking to abandon ship? 

[Nechrom]

3 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

mtm78, are you really thinking to abandon ship? 

 

He hasn't played a battle in almost a month. 

[mtm78]

This concept is mind breakingly stupid. Anyone who thinks this could possibly be a good addition to the game has no idea what he is talking about, doesn't understand the current game balance and doesn't have a single digit of trust from me in regard to having working brain cells. 

 

It is IDIOTIC.

 

20 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

He hasn't played a battle in almost a month. 

 

It is the first 3 weeks of summer break here, I got my two kids and I actually promised I would take a break during their prolonged stay ( normally I never have them this long in a row ). That break had nothing to do with this.

 

25 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

You know it just hit me, the same people responsible for 60% BBaby infestation are responsible for 'choose ammo before battle, is gud for balance xaxaxaxaxaxa comrade why u heff to be mad. it's just BBaby game!' 

 

I was going to get myself a Nelson... I'll wait till I see this idiotic mechanic changed. Or when I see BB's will be unable to switch between HE and AP during a battle...... it's same thing tovarish, but don't tell balance department comrade we will get sent to gulag. 

 

 

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

2 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

If your opponent smokes up, you will.

 

in a one on one situation, only a german DD and the lo yang will have an advantage.

 

if a PA-DD smokes up, he can't see you but you can not see him as well. Your counter torpedoes are fired blind.

 

the PA-DD might just use the smoke in a passive way to flee or as a distraction to make you use your torpedoes.

 

 

 

 

imvho, a PA-DD with deep water torpedoes should avoid capping or only do it with backup. 

 

there is very often radar in higher tiers and most torpedoes fired into the smoke miss anyway, if the smoked up DD has a few spare brain cells left.

 

most of the DD I try to nuke out of their smoke leave in time, because they know that their smoke is a torpedo magnet.

 

[T0byJug]

14 hours ago, Gojuadorai said:

 

find it to be pretty steep price..... close to ridicolusly overpriced considering its half the xp for missouri

 

 

14 hours ago, Tyrendian89 said:

eh... dunno... sure, if you buy it straight with dubloons it's going to be above 10k even when using the bonus conversion event that sometimes pops up... but 375k freeXP isnt completely outlandish to save up. Thing is though, there are already so many T7 premiums that I'm not sure I can justify getting the Nelson as well, even though I would like having that fat ugly duck in port

 

14 hours ago, Gojuadorai said:

 

i havnt checked but someone said at normal coversion its 15k dubloons thats more than a alabama or tirpits (and probably KII)

thats just way too much 

 

i will get it either way cause i want it for collection but i feel robbed getting it

First you not supposed to spend money on it but free XP if you use money to buy free XP welll... Thats your choice

Second lets look at some costs for Doubloon ships 

 

Approx prices

Tier 6BB 6500 Doubloons

Tier 7BB  9500 Doubloons 

Tier 8BB 12500 Doubloons

 

We can extrapolate that a tier 9 BB would probably be somewhere between 3000 and 4000 Doubloons more than a tier 8 BB  

So a Tier 9 BB about  at 16500 Doubloons making a tier 7 BB approx 58% the price of a Tier 9 so half the price on a  Free XP sounds about right to me.

 

Guys Remember these Free XP ships are supposed to be a reward for committed play made easier with Prem time so a reward for players that have paid money to support the prem.

 

You cant compare the Free XP/Dubloon conversion rates to say if these Free XP ships are expensive or not. Its not WG intention for us to spend money to get Free XP to buy the ships. and if we do Silly us.

 

Personally i play this game WAY to much and only use my free XP when really needed. (Example Second Hull on those mid tier BBs to get the Huge AA buff they tend to get) so I have the Missuri (No Doubloons needed) and hace over 500K Free XP for the Nelson (also no Doubloons Used to convert free XP)

 

In Short Live with it Guys the Doubloon price of these free XP ships will always be a lot higher than standard Doubloon ships if you choose to go down the Avenue of converting Excess XP to free XP with Doubloons.

 

 

Cheaper would have been nice but a tier 7 BB at half the price of a tier 9 seems more than reasonable to me

 

6 hours ago, mtm78 said:

This concept is mind breakingly stupid. Anyone who thinks this could possibly be a good addition to the game has no idea what he is talking about, doesn't understand the current game balance and doesn't have a single digit of trust from me in regard to having working brain cells. 

 

It is IDIOTIC.

 

 

It is the first 3 weeks of summer break here, I got my two kids and I actually promised I would take a break during their prolonged stay ( normally I never have them this long in a row ). That break had nothing to do with this.

 

 

 

Marvin the Scrubs are Missing you.. we miss your rages on teamspeak  HURRY BACK

[Hades_warrior]

7 hours ago, Affeks said:

I didnt get Missouri and I wont get Nelson because free xp ships are seriously overpriced, both in terms of the freexp itself and if you wanna convert.

 

If they sell it as a normal prem then I will get it no doubt.

Amen to that.

 

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

Do we already know the credit earning potential of Nelson? What are the cammo bonuses? Anything captain xp training like?

 

 

Some feeling tells me it wont be any OP credit or EXP bonuses from it.

But good luck to WG in selling basicly the normal Premium ship for 375k of free EXP (way overpriced).

 

I calculated to convert that amount of EXP to free EXP you need around 15,000 doubloons.

So much about Octavians statement ''adequate price calculated on other T7 premiums''...

[Spellfire40]

47 minutes ago, KaLeuWillenbrock said:

 

in a one on one situation, only a german DD and the lo yang will have an advantage.

 

if a PA-DD smokes up, he can't see you but you can not see him as well. Your counter torpedoes are fired blind.

 

the PA-DD might just use the smoke in a passive way to flee or as a distraction to make you use your torpedoes.

 

 

 

 

imvho, a PA-DD with deep water torpedoes should avoid capping or only do it with backup. 

 

there is very often radar in higher tiers and most torpedoes fired into the smoke miss anyway, if the smoked up DD has a few spare brain cells left.

 

most of the DD I try to nuke out of their smoke leave in time, because they know that their smoke is a torpedo magnet.

 

You chase out a DD out of the Cloud and if he positioned inteligeng posible out of the cap as well and its not like you 10 km Torps can hit anything else during that Phase so they arent "wasted" even if you had 50km Torps they most likely passed the enemy DD and are now wisible and wont hit anything. and at best you one shot a enemy DD. most high tir dds have rager large turning radius if you catch them near broadside you might hit them even if they try to evade.

 

PA dont have that tool in their box with deepwater plus if their ranges are around 10km they still have to get paste enemy DDs that have normal loadouts to even make use of the anti BB Torps.

[T0byJug]

5 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

Amen to that.

 

 

Some feeling tells me it wont be any OP credit or EXP bonuses from it.

But good luck to WG in selling basicly the normal Premium ship for 375k of free EXP (way overpriced).

 

I calculated to convert that amount of EXP to free EXP you need around 15,000 doubloons.

So much about Octavians statement ''adequate price calculated on other T7 premiums''...

Stop looking at the ship as a doubloon ship its a free XP ship.. And people will want it just as much if not more than the Missouri

Also Missouri looks quite popular being the 6th(out of 17) most played tier 9 ship over the last 2 weeks and using your conversion she costs 30k doubloons or 99€. So Nelson will probably be popular as well

 

We have no way of knowing yet if HMS Nelson(Hope they end up naming her Rodney) will have any Extra Credit or XP earning bones above that of a normal tier 7 prem ship

 

These Free XP ships are as much a status symbol as anything else Just like the Awaki Alpha or the Arkansas Beta.

 

That said i have never understood why people pay money for free XP I have also never understood why people pay money to jump the lower tiers of a tech line just to get to the high tier ships. Use free XP to skip a  bad ship OK but the hole line. The amount of players that Jumped the German BBs was just amazing there is not a single weak ship in that line

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

18 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

You chase out a DD out of the Cloud and if he positioned inteligeng posible out of the cap as well and its not like you 10 km Torps can hit anything else during that Phase so they arent "wasted" even if you had 50km Torps they most likely passed the enemy DD and are now wisible and wont hit anything. and at best you one shot a enemy DD. most high tir dds have rager large turning radius if you catch them near broadside you might hit them even if they try to evade.

 

PA dont have that tool in their box with deepwater plus if their ranges are around 10km they still have to get paste enemy DDs that have normal loadouts to even make use of the anti BB Torps.

the high tier torpedoes have 13.5 km range @ 68 knots.

 

that's fast. their detection range is apr. 1.4 km (the normal versions. Yes they can still use normal torpedoes. With t-acceleration skilled, they still have almost 11 km range but at 73 knots. 

 

that's very hard to dodge. Its a better version of the german high tier torpedoes. Even higher range and 4 knots faster. Higher damage included.