Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Darth_Glorious]

In the ingame picture, it has 8 dual 100 mm gun and 2 x 3 torps

[1MajorKoenig]

But the screens doesn't look like a 1920s ship. It's clearly a WW2 Refit.

[creamgravy]

3 minutes ago, JaiFoh said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kii-class_battleship

Yep Tosa successor, and the lack of AA as its the 1920's design build

 

The posters never list real AA stats (usually the A-hull)

 

 This is another WG fantasy hull upgrade with 8 Akizuki turrets. The AA will be INSANE with manual AA and AFT.

 

 

[Darth_Glorious]

7 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Is this where Ashitaka went...?

Tier 8 prem gives them more money than tier 7 prem 

[WolfGewehr]

 

 

(Pic from the info thread, thanks Verdius)

 

So, is this 40mm AA gun a Bofors variant/copy or some inferior design?

 

Rofl, judging from the picture, it has the Japanese copy of Bofors

[creamgravy]

13 minutes ago, WolfGewehr said:

Rofl, judging from the picture, it has the Japanese copy of Bofors

 

Estimated AA values.

KII	DPS	Base range (km)
100 mm/65 Type98 (8)	166	5
"Chi" Type 98 (16)	176	3.5
25 mm/60 Type96 Triple (17)	102	3.1

 

Go full AA spec and you'll be able to butcher 10 fully upgraded Enterprise bombers before they drop.

 

[Spellfire40]

1 hour ago, Takru said:

 

Yes we were. I don't see how the instant switching of the torpedo depth could be abused somehow. It would make the ships less situational as they'd be able to choose their weapon (torp depth) according to their target.

Depends what Torps you are talking about. Anybody has Problem with making Benson/Gering/Fletcher/Z52 torps working on BBs? Pan Asia are basically clones of the 1st 3. The Problem might be range related and Bensons are a bit slow but detection isnt a Problem in the same way IJN is servly handicaped becasue they have higher Alpha (totaly ignoring that the platforms of the stelthy Torps rape them if it Comes to a gunfight on top). I dont see the Advantage of deepwater torps unless they cant be spoted by planes perhaps.....still too much of a tradeoff......unless you want to blow cruisers out of the water more wich isnt a Thing DDs should in the 1st place cruiser dont Need to be put into more danger ...would be make more sense to just slap a Torp detection penalty on BBs gerally...if you have friendly unitts Screening you you are fine but if you get flanked or go yolo your reaction time will be servly reduced without Messing with any other class that dont Needs less reaction time agist torps in the 1st place.

[Darth_Glorious]

So what is its downside compared to Amagi ?

[WolfGewehr]

3 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said:

So what is its downside compared to Amagi ?

 

Something that can't be really judged from RL design stats, as Kii would have been basically Amagi with better armor, retaining same speed and firepower, thus essentially just better overall. So some detail tweaking by WG will be done I guess.

[JapLance]

6 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said:

So what is its downside compared to Amagi ?

 

Probably a bit slower and 40-50€ (depending on how OP it is)

[Kartoffelmos]

2 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said:

So what is its downside compared to Amagi ?

 

It costs doubloons .

 

The downsides might be manoeuvrability, gun performance or hit points, but worse consumables might also be an option. Hard to tell at this stage.

[avenger121]

Stock Amagi/stock Nagato/Mutsu guns aka trash gun performance. Literally absolute trash. Why would anyone with half a brain play this over the Amagi?

 

Oh wait, the average player has no clue at all and will happily throw money at WG.

[Darth_Glorious]

I don't think they will give it trash guns because it will meet tier X

[1MajorKoenig]

1 minute ago, Darth_Glorious said:

I don't think they will give it trash guns because it will meet tier X

 

Don't think so either. She appears to be a WW2 fantasy refit and would logically use Type 93 shells - as Nagato WW2.

[WolfGewehr]

6 minutes ago, avenger121 said:

Stock Amagi/stock Nagato/Mutsu guns aka trash gun performance. Literally absolute trash. Why would anyone with half a brain play this over the Amagi?

 

Oh wait, the average player has no clue at all and will happily throw money at WG.

 

And where you got this information? Let me guess, from the fact she has "old stylish" main battery turrets in the pic?

 

It doesn't tell the shell she uses. It would be also illogical to use the old shells with modern dual 10cm + Bofors AA. But what do we know in the end, as no further data has been revealed.

 

[Verdius]

Kii right now is a incomprehensibly weird ship
For example:

Kii AA:

Seems pretty good and completely uncharacteristic for IJN BBs right?
I mean never mind that the 100mm guns are not a historic armament for her since those weapons weren't around at the time of her design.

And her guns are like this:

 

That is some bad sigma uncharacteristic of IJN BBs right?

So is it for brawling then? Its turrets don't really turn

 

25 % torpdo belt seems quite uncharacteristic for IJN BBs as well.

It sucks at the typical IJN BB playstyle, but it also isn't suited to brawling with its traverse and torp protection.

It really shares no characteristics with IJN BBs at all actually.
I really don't get this ship.

[Darth_Glorious]

Nice "trash gun" :

[avenger121]

13 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said:

Nice "trash gun" :

 

Look at the shell type, AP-91.

 

19 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Don't think so either. She appears to be a WW2 fantasy refit and would logically use Type 93 shells - as Nagato WW2.

 

[Darth_Glorious]

460 mm pen at 15 km is not trash for me.

[avenger121]

Edit: I was wrong. AP-91 is the modern shell, not AP-93, therefore Kii has Amagi like pen.

[WolfGewehr]

WTF again guys? Type 91 is the modern AP round, while Type 88 would be the trash one.

 

And look at the penetration curve graph, and then at these values:

 

5/10/15 km

703/568/460 mm

 

Compare these two and still say she uses the trash shells.

[avenger121]

Just now, WolfGewehr said:

WTF again guys? Type 91 is the modern AP round, while Type 88 would be the trash one.

 

And look at the penetration curve graph, and then at these values:

 

5/10/15 km

703/568/460 mm

 

Compare these two and still say she uses the trash shells.

 

Then I am completly wrong.

[Exocet6951]

4 minutes ago, avenger121 said:

 

Okay, look at it this way, we know that it uses the stock Nagato/Amagi aka Mutsu guns and the same shell type, we also know that this spreadsheet only shows us the "raw" penetration, which is not taking into account impact angle and now let´s look what happens if you take impact angle into account:

 

 

Neon green is Mutsu and Kii, light blue is Nagato/Amagi. Yeah, I call this trash penetration, very rightly so.

The damage is the same as the Nagato rather than the Mutsu.

It's therefore almost guaranteed that the penetration is the same as the Nagato and Amagi.

[Darth_Glorious]

Amagi current gun uses AP-91 too, it is not trash...

[1MajorKoenig]

Yea sorry Type 91 - the new one.

 

The bow looks wrong though - more like Tirpitz. Can't The give her the stock Amagi's bow please??