How is anyone supposed to get past T6-7 at the moment?

[simonmd]

Is it just me or are the high tiers very understaffed right now? I ask because I have a couple of T6 ships and one T7 and pretty much 9 out of 10 battles i'm the bottom tier in a T8 or T9 match! This is not only frustrating but how on earth am I supposed to progress? My Colorado, is totally stock and I cant earn the XP to upgrade it because i'm being torn to bits by T9 ships every time! 

 

Its clear to me why this is happening, lower tier ships like myself are being used to fill the gaps in the MM but surely in a reasonable world, I could expect to be a top tier ship and have a fighting chance once in a while? Basically, I feel like i've hit a roadblock progression wise and the only way I can see past it it to BUY my way up with accumulated XP from other ships. Not something i'm in a position to do.

[OttoKretschmer]

i think that most t6-7 are in ranked, that's why

[makhot]

I feel I'm getting just the typical distribution of bottom/mid/top tiers. Incidentally playing Colorado as well.

[ColonelPete]

It is not as bad as you say.

My stock grind on Colorado works fine.

[simonmd]

Maybe i've been unlucky, but I'm not exaggerating. I can only hope it evens out in my favour soon.

[ParEx]

i think that most t6-7 are in ranked, that's why

 

This. Play Tier7 just before Ranked starts. Otherwise its not fun at all.

[Userext]

wait for season to be over until then use lower tiers ships to make money or our premiums

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

i think that most t6-7 are in ranked, that's why

 

It makes absolutely no difference, the MM will put you in against higher tier ships regardless of whether ranked is active or not.

I have said the same as the OP for a long time; there should never be a 2 tier difference. often i take out a ship and end up fighting ships 2 tiers above, now if you take out a DD you have a reasonable chance of having a decent game, but if you are in a cruiser or BB you are stuffed unless you spend the game hiding behind an island, a ship 2 tiers above will hammer you with shells long before you get your ship in range.

 Why would someone take out a T5 ship and want to play against T7 ships, if i wanted to take part in T7 battles i would use a T7 ship, but then you get matched with T9, you just can't win with the MM.

 

[Dampfboot]

I have notice this too, think many players are in ranked, others on holiday enjoying something they call "RL". Not sure what that is supposed to be.

 

[BruceForce]

 

 

 

 Why would someone take out a T5 ship and want to play against T7 ships, if i wanted to take part in T7 battles i would use a T7 ship, but then you get matched with T9, you just can't win with the MM.

 

 

Yes you can. Play tier 10.

 

I agree that a 2 tier difference should not be necessary to quickly find games at peak times. Should be allowed only late at night when few people are searching.

[over_watch]

Is it just me or are the high tiers very understaffed right now? I ask because I have a couple of T6 ships and one T7 and pretty much 9 out of 10 battles i'm the bottom tier in a T8 or T9 match! This is not only frustrating but how on earth am I supposed to progress? My Colorado, is totally stock and I cant earn the XP to upgrade it because i'm being torn to bits by T9 ships every time! 

 

Its clear to me why this is happening, lower tier ships like myself are being used to fill the gaps in the MM but surely in a reasonable world, I could expect to be a top tier ship and have a fighting chance once in a while? Basically, I feel like i've hit a roadblock progression wise and the only way I can see past it it to BUY my way up with accumulated XP from other ships. Not something i'm in a position to do.

 

i think that that the problem is about your gameplay

you see, you can not play the colorado like the other us bb, its more like a close rage bb

you have a really bad dispersion and speed 

so you must not go with a fleet that is under 3 ships

 

it does not matter if you are the lowest tire in the game , if you keep bow on and go with other ships and tank you will make some progress

 

 

the colorado has low speed and a bad dispersion if you play it like a sniper you will die with no damage done in the game and you will not get any xp for it 

 

 

[AnotherDuck]

What's the problem? If you're a T6 ship facing T6-T8 ships, you'll get more experience than if you face T4-T6 ships. Some of my best Myoko (T7) games have been in T9 matches. I got my stock Fuso (T6) up to decent upgrades (second hull) primarily in T8 matches, and stock Japanese BBs suck compared to their upgraded versions.

 

Just one example, my first battle with Fuso wasn't very long, but I nuked two cruisers, which is more than earning my own place. You just need to play after the ships' strengths and avoid the weaknesses. New ships means you have to relearn those details.

[Syrchalis]

WG has implemented a system a while back so you don't face higher tiers constantly. If you're the lowest of the 3 tiers in battle for a few games you will be the top after that. This was done exactly for this reason - because it's frustrating to play against much better ships all the time.

 

You can still wreck them, as my 170k damage game in Arizona versus T8 ships showed (and many other games anyone here could post you from their adventures as lowest tier).

 

Unfortunately there isn't really an upside. When you're matched against better players in other games, you learn a ton. When you're bottom tier in a wargaming title? Well, players aren't better and you just have a worse ship. But well, that's WG Design.

[LetsRockAndRoll]

Is it just me or are the high tiers very understaffed right now? I ask because I have a couple of T6 ships and one T7 and pretty much 9 out of 10 battles i'm the bottom tier in a T8 or T9 match! This is not only frustrating but how on earth am I supposed to progress? My Colorado, is totally stock and I cant earn the XP to upgrade it because i'm being torn to bits by T9 ships every time! 

 

Its clear to me why this is happening, lower tier ships like myself are being used to fill the gaps in the MM but surely in a reasonable world, I could expect to be a top tier ship and have a fighting chance once in a while? Basically, I feel like i've hit a roadblock progression wise and the only way I can see past it it to BUY my way up with accumulated XP from other ships. Not something i'm in a position to do.

 

Did you use free xp to help unlock your Colorado?

If you did, you have just learned a valuable lesson. Free xp is for upgrades, never use it to unlock a new ship.

 

[JG4_sKylon]

Grinded the Colorado last week, but upgraded it with free xp. Didn´t experience anything different in MM, sometimes top tier, sometimes bottom and midtier.

 

[mtm78]

 

It makes absolutely no difference, the MM will put you in against higher tier ships regardless of whether ranked is active or not.

I have said the same as the OP for a long time; there should never be a 2 tier difference. often i take out a ship and end up fighting ships 2 tiers above, now if you take out a DD you have a reasonable chance of having a decent game, but if you are in a cruiser or BB you are stuffed unless you spend the game hiding behind an island, a ship 2 tiers above will hammer you with shells long before you get your ship in range.

 Why would someone take out a T5 ship and want to play against T7 ships, if i wanted to take part in T7 battles i would use a T7 ship, but then you get matched with T9, you just can't win with the MM.

 

 

QQ much?

 

+-2 MM is fine. 

[Smeggo]

What's the problem? If you're a T6 ship facing T6-T8 ships, you'll get more experience than if you face T4-T6 ships. Some of my best Myoko (T7) games have been in T9 matches. I got my stock Fuso (T6) up to decent upgrades (second hull) primarily in T8 matches, and stock Japanese BBs suck compared to their upgraded versions.

 

Just one example, my first battle with Fuso wasn't very long, but I nuked two cruisers, which is more than earning my own place. You just need to play after the ships' strengths and avoid the weaknesses. New ships means you have to relearn those details.

 

The higher XP may be true, still you cannot make a use of it often because you die before you make damage - especially if you are a cruiser.

It has it's reasons why all these 10k-XP-battlereports only come from battles of ships that are highest-tiers.

[AnotherDuck]

Did you use free xp to help unlock your Colorado?

If you did, you have just learned a valuable lesson. Free xp is for upgrades, never use it to unlock a new ship.

 

I actually used free xp to unlock Fuso after Myogi. Mostly because I had more free experience than money (relative to what I needed, which is still the case), so not having to buy Kongo and upgrades at all was a good benefit. And I already had a Kongo with a cool black paintjob with glowing purple designs. Coolest looking ship in the game, IMO.

 

The higher XP may be true, still you cannot make a use of it often because you die before you make damage - especially if you are a cruiser.

It has it's reasons why all these 10k-XP-battlereports only come from battles of ships that are highest-tiers.

 

Exceptional games aren't the same as acceptable games. Sure, it's easier to do well if you're top tier, but it's not essential. To do well, you play well, and that's much more important than being top tier.

 

Also, amount of xp is kind of useless for comparison unless you look at base xp. What bonuses you have varies a lot. The same game that gives you 10k xp can give you 2k xp the next day. And you don't need a top tier ship to get 2k base xp. If you're just running a stock ship with a captain in retraining, getting 1k-1.5k base xp is perfectly fine.

[mtm78]

 

The higher XP may be true, still you cannot make a use of it often because you die before you make damage - especially if you are a cruiser.

It has it's reasons why all these 10k-XP-battlereports only come from battles of ships that are highest-tiers.

 

Adapt your playstyle to the team rosters, even -2 CA can kill enemy DD or CA ( with support ), and burn BB's. Don't be the 'front' guy, don't pay attention to those who seem to think that -2 ships are to be used as 'scouts' for the rest ( even though you will be in trouble if your team is full off stupids which all snipe at their max range, as -2 you will lack range to be effective in those engagements ). 

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with +-2. infact it adds tactical depth to the game, it pays off to have situational awareness more if there are different 'threat levels' in play. 

[AnotherDuck]

Adapt your playstyle to the team rosters, even -2 CA can kill enemy DD or CA ( with support ), and burn BB's. Don't be the 'front' guy, don't pay attention to those who seem to think that -2 ships are to be used as 'scouts' for the rest ( even though you will be in trouble if your team is full off stupids which all snipe at their max range, as -2 you will lack range to be effective in those engagements ). 

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with +-2. infact it adds tactical depth to the game, it pays off to have situational awareness more if there are different 'threat levels' in play. 

 

One thing you can do in a cruiser is to play AA support, especially if you have a USN cruiser. It doesn't give a whole lot of experience, but it helps the team.

 

If you spot an adventurous DD going for your carrier, flanking your BBs, or going for your cap when all other ships have gone on the offense, go hunt that down so the rest of your team can keep shooting at other targets more suited for their guns. You never want to force a BB to start shooting at a DD. Sure, they can still do a lot of damage, but it's not the most effective use of their firepower, and it can hurt their positioning and angling if they need to hunt something down in a different direction.

 

Point is, there are always situations you can go into where the tiers don't really matter as much as being in the right place at the right time. I had one game (Myoko, T9 match) where after I took a few potshots at distant destroyers, I spotted a carrier snipe team, so I went back to our carrier and spent almost the entire game there shooting planes. Or rather, just being present so they didn't dare go for the kill, which locked up the enemy carrier the entire time and making sure ours could still focus on attack. Later in the game, our team had pushed into their cap, while the enemies had pushed into ours, so I went on a short suicide run into our cap to reset as many ships as possible. That was enough to let our team cap first and win.

[Smeggo]

These battles, where everybody wants to be in the second line... 

 

[_Teob_]

These battles, where everybody wants to be in the second line... 

 

Well ideally everyone should be at some point in the second line. That's how battles are won - don't let the enemy focus fire on a single ship. So you start out on the front line with your toughest ships and when they start getting on low health the back line should move up to start tanking dmg (even though they are less tanky).

 

The biggest stomp matches I've been in is where one team can't finish off their opponents so at the end the winning team has a bunch of ships on less than 30% hp but very little outright losses.

 

mtm is totally right in the sense that weaker ships can still contribute a lot. A fire set by a Nurnberg hurts just as much as one set by a Zao. But you cannot in any circumstance be on the front line initially in a Nurnberg. Once things calm down a bit and some BBs are on fire so they are less likely to snipe you, then you can push up a bit for example.

[Cadelanne]

Don't worry you've just been unlucky

 

Sometimes MM wreck you, getting you mostly bottom tier and that's quite frustrating, but it doesn't last forever and on the long go it's pretty balanced. However I agree that they should set the MM to +1/-1. Would easily solve this problem.

[Kenliero]

It's actually funny to hear someone complain T7 matchmaking... T7 gets one of the best matchmakings in the game. just wait until you get to T8 and realize that every time you play at late hours, you will always end up in T10 games.

T7 ship and T9 games are SO much easier than T8 ship and T10 games, specially for cruisers.

[SV_Kompresor]

That doesn't seem to be happening to me....I feel it's quite balanced in a tier 7