Sickening Fact

[Spammable_Lecter]

I wish Teir 8 Premiums would stop dragging teir 6 ships into co-op battles . Time and time again I see a guy in a Tirpitz melt  (sailing broadside) within the first 2 minutes of a battle doing nothing. Its sickening that you cant even run from the bots because of speed .I was just 1 hit  (22k hp)running from a tirpidz as fast as possible ( but not fast enough)in a Cleveland @ 16km. Out of my range but still crucified.  Fun much   ? .......... NOT.

Same as WOT , the clueless buying top teir stuff without any kind of ingame clue and screwing a whole team for a match .Rinse and repeat over and over. I have seen some good teir 8 in co-op but rare , mostly I wish they were on the other team and we had the bot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to flame but it seems it is a fact atm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CountOfTuscany]

huh, co-op? What's the problem with meeting higher tier ships in co-op? I can only imagine WR to drop from 95% to 85% if it's really bad.

[StuntMan0369]

So... what actually is the complaint here? I don't even know so I'll address every point made;

 

+2MM - It's here to stay. It adds a whole new challenge to the game, and good players know how to pull it off. I've seen Wyomings boss tier 6 games, I've seen Yubaris beat Clevelands and Aobas. My hat goes off to any bottom tier ship in +2MM who can still have an influence on the battle. Some ships have it easier than others, but making it work takes some skill.

 

Bad Premium ship players - We can't expect everyone to be good at the game, it is a game that most people do not take seriously in any way. Premiums are a slightly different story, since people can just throw money at the screen and have a high tier ship without learning how to play beforehand. Honestly, I'm rather thankful that they're sticking to co-op, and not randoms. Co-op is just a place to learn the game, it should never be a realistic advancement choice to play the game up to tier 10.

 

A Tirpitz vs a cruiser at 16km - So... your exact counter 2 tiers higher than you did it's job and damaged you heavily? Cruisers are cannon fodder for a BB. You can't tank the damage, you can only dodge it. Sometimes you'll get lucky and dodge 3 or 4 salvos with zero damage. Others you'll take some massive hits. It's just what happens, you can't avoid it. 16km on a cruiser is about the limit of a BB's effective range, so seeing him damage you heavily in no way surprises me.

 

Anyway, if I've entirely missed the point of your thread, feel free to steer me the right course.

[Spammable_Lecter]

So... what actually is the complaint here? I don't even know so I'll address every point made;

 

+2MM - It's here to stay. It adds a whole new challenge to the game, and good players know how to pull it off. I've seen Wyomings boss tier 6 games, I've seen Yubaris beat Clevelands and Aobas. My hat goes off to any bottom tier ship in +2MM who can still have an influence on the battle. Some ships have it easier than others, but making it work takes some skill.

 

Bad Premium ship players - We can't expect everyone to be good at the game, it is a game that most people do not take seriously in any way. Premiums are a slightly different story, since people can just throw money at the screen and have a high tier ship without learning how to play beforehand. Honestly, I'm rather thankful that they're sticking to co-op, and not randoms. Co-op is just a place to learn the game, it should never be a realistic advancement choice to play the game up to tier 10.

 

A Tirpitz vs a cruiser at 16km - So... your exact counter 2 tiers higher than you did it's job and damaged you heavily? Cruisers are cannon fodder for a BB. You can't tank the damage, you can only dodge it. Sometimes you'll get lucky and dodge 3 or 4 salvos with zero damage. Others you'll take some massive hits. It's just what happens, you can't avoid it. 16km on a cruiser is about the limit of a BB's effective range, so seeing him damage you heavily in no way surprises me.

 

Anyway, if I've entirely missed the point of your thread, feel free to steer me the right course.

 

The +2 MM isn't the problem . It's the guys buying teir 8 with no clue at all about anything . I expect a BB to crucify a cruiser , but I at least hope our so-called teir 8 BB does more than 8k damage before dying. I managed 42k before I was [edited]wiped with Cleveland.  When I play randoms I rather have an idea about what I'm in and how to use it

[Anzio_Anzai]

Do you even random games bro?

 

[StringWitch]

+2MM - It's here to stay. It adds a whole new challenge to the game, and good players know how to pull it off. I've seen Wyomings boss tier 6 games, I've seen Yubaris beat Clevelands and Aobas. My hat goes off to any bottom tier ship in +2MM who can still have an influence on the battle.

 

Was this back in CBT? Wyoming and Yubari both get +1 MM. Anyone devoid enough of game understanding to faildivision probably won't do well while bottom tier in these ships. Well, maybe I'm wrong, I have seen a couple divisioned Arkansas make top 3 on the teamlist at T6, and it would be a way for a good player to boost their XP in these ships.

 

I believe the OP's complaint is that T8 premiums are overly common in co-op (compared to ships of other tiers beyond 3-4 also entering the co-op queue) and skew the matchmaking for these battles by generating too many requests for one within T8 MM range. The fact these T8 premium players are often extremely new to the game is a lesser concern from a technical standpoint but does serve significantly to heighten one's aggrivation with the game mode. I can add that I personally don't play co-op partly due to the very low standard of play I've experienced.

[bushwacker001]

Someone purchases a Tirpitz, doesn't know how to play it so practices in co-op.....That is what co-op is for I thought. 

 

[NinjaSquirrel]

Who plays coop??

[StringWitch]

Someone purchases a Tirpitz, doesn't know how to play it so practices in co-op.....That is what co-op is for I thought. 

 

It is, and it's a damnsight better than them playing in randoms, but sometimes more experienced players with elited ships just wanna relax, and suffer from the curse of knowledge when they see what these very new players are doing (or... not doing, there are idlers and botters in co-op too). I don't think this is something we can strictly avoid given the small number of players in the co-op queue beyond the lower half of the tiers, but if the matchmaker left people waiting a bit longer in the queue to get a battle, we might see some more quality in the overall experience.

[Spammable_Lecter]

Stringwitch hit the nail on the head,

I believe the OP's complaint is that T8 premiums are overly common in co-op (compared to ships of other tiers beyond 3-4 also entering the co-op queue) and skew the matchmaking for these battles by generating too many requests for one within T8 MM range. The fact these T8 premium players are often extremely new to the game is a lesser concern from a technical standpoint but does serve significantly to heighten one's aggrivation with the game mode. I can add that I personally don't play co-op partly due to the very low standard of play I've experienced.

 

I wouldn't bring a normal ship into a random battle unless it was fully equipped and I knew how to play it reasonably , hence I was in co-op . Why be a burden on a team for no point and get carried along failing miserably . Maybe that's just me

 

Someone purchases a Tirpitz, doesn't know how to play it so practices in co-op.....That is what co-op is for I thought. 

 

Why would you buy a teir 8 BB with less than 50 battles in a new game?  Get top teir constantly in co-op and fail and your team dies retarded because they don't have the range/pen of the enemy teir 8 . Practice is one thing , screwing the rest of your team for no reason other than you bought something you can't use is another. I thought it was better to learn mistakes early before you made expensive mistakes later.

[GrumpyWorm]

Moved

[Szatanshow]

Ppl stil playing coop???

WOW this mode was abandoned by devs since cbt i think - exp is lol cash is lol - bots are wierd. There is not even any events for coop (i didint see any peronaly) to make it even a bit interesting to play

[GrossadmiralThrawn]

There is not even any events for coop (i didint see any peronaly) to make it even a bit interesting to play

 

During the Emden event there was a Coop event where you got 2x Captains XP in the Emden for every victory in coop (with the Emden obviously)

[mtm78]

I believe the OP's complaint is

I wish Teir 8 Premiums would stop dragging teir 6 ships into co-op battles . Time and time again I see a guy in a Tirpitz melt  (sailing broadside) within the first 2 minutes of a battle doing nothing. Its sickening that you cant even run from the bots because of speed .I was just 1 hit  (22k hp)running from a tirpidz as fast as possible ( but not fast enough)in a Cleveland @ 16km. Out of my range but still crucified.  Fun much   ? .......... NOT.

Same as WOT , the clueless buying top teir stuff without any kind of ingame clue and screwing a whole team for a match .Rinse and repeat over and over. I have seen some good teir 8 in co-op but rare , mostly I wish they were on the other team and we had the bot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to flame but it seems it is a fact atm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you feel the OP ... ow wait.. you're the topic starter...

[Todger_Fairmile]

Ppl stil playing coop???

WOW this mode was abandoned by devs since cbt i think - exp is lol cash is lol - bots are wierd. There is not even any events for coop (i didint see any peronaly) to make it even a bit interesting to play

 

Na is pretty co-op friendly, there are quite a few events for co-op.

[pra3y]

Well the training room doesn't exactly come with the game. I don't see anything wrong with someone who has lesser experience practice in co-op rather than jumping straight to random and perform even more miserablely. They'll be able to get a feel of the ship even if they perform badly in co-op. I think most people will rarely play co-op and it acts as a slightly more advance training room. You don't really go their to enjoy (unless you just play co-op all the time) so cut them more slack. Plus OP they are making a less expensive mistake. Imagine them going into a random match filled with tier 9 sand 10s and just charge straight in or border/spawn sniping. Now that would be an expensive mistake

 

 

So you feel the OP ... ow wait.. you're the topic starter...

Was thinking about it too. I wonder why he quoted bushwacker 001 but not StringWitch

 

 

[makhot]

co-op battles

Only reason to play co-op battle is because you pressed "Battle" and forgot to change the battle type after letting your new to WoWS friend get hands on to your higher tier ships.

 

Only reason to get upset because of co-op battles; none. They are solely paly for fun.

[lilgoth]

i rather like Co-op, there are often things like Teamwork... and you dont get abuse hurled at you anywhere near as often, so its quite relaxing ( also the AI tends not to camp the back of the map anywhere near as much ) 

 

the problems are Yes, people who are clueless in teir 8 premiums. That will never change simply due to people wanting big / famous ships.

 

But also Consider the low numbers of people who play PVE, its not uncommon to find 3 'real' people on a team even at teir 5, the reduction in XP income is simply to harsh, both in XP earned and numbers of enemy ships to shoot at

 

i really would like to see increased XP for PVE mode, and more ships to shoot at to make the PVE grind much less of a Grind 

 

[___Canaris___]

 

 

This sums up my feelings on your problem.

 

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

Personally I like playing co-op. For me it's a quick game.. And understand the problem from OP. Little group and more than often you get 3 Tirpitz in your group which means 3 enemy Tripitz.  Those enemy ships have all aim-assist and will always fire at the weakest ship (not the nearest). But on the other hand they only think about attacking.

 

But that said . It's only a game. Hard or easy. Just have fun.

 

 

[urr027]

I play co-op when too drunk for pvp. It is a much needed game mode, it must stay in the game!

[YukiEiriKun]

I play my high tiers when too drunk. Perhaps I should try co-opping with them insread.

 

Then again, I hardly ever play when sober.. Hmm..

[SV_Kompresor]

Lol...you're saying that people who don't know how to play tier 8 ships should instead of playing coop to learn a bit, play randoms and screw their teams over in real battles....and I do mean their teams....you're in a coop so please, they're bots. Also it's normal for a tier 6 to meet tier 8. So seriously.....start playing random battles, they're much more rewarding

[Flukeyluke]

only time i play co op is with stock ships, stock amagi vs yamato was fun too

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[Berrserkr]

Who plays coop??

 

i play co-op, with my carriers. Because I suck at playing carrier and don't want to be a burden to my team. On the other hand, I'm only at tier IV and V with my carriers yet and there's room for improvement. Lots of room...