Karlsruhe..Finally we part ways!

[GulvkluderGuld]

Just finished the worst grind in my life.

 

This useless garbage makes all my other grinds look good. Stock pepsi. Stock Trolorado. Even the useless Trashkent.

Havnt done Myogi or Furutaka but so far Karlsruhe is just in a whole league of its own in misery. Thank God it is over!

 

Did anyone like this ship at all? I feel like the Kolberg is probably a better ship!

WG please for the sake of future generations of CA captains, buff this ship.

[Todger_Fairmile]

They already have, a couple of times.

[Z_OnkelE]

I found the Kohlberg and Karlsruhe to be about equally bad. The only positive aspect of the Karlsruhe for me were the possible close range lolpens through cruisers' bows and that she has torpedoes. Königsberg felt rewarding for those two.

[Srle_Vigilante]

See you again on the Yrock.

And i have no idea what you are talking about that ship is actually alright.

[Vanhal]

Karlsruhe was really bad before the buff (no idea like it is now, but not really dangerous as opponent, so i guess the buff wasn't huge), but it was at least short.

 

Tell me when you got to tier 8-9 and THERE you will encounter something crappy.

[GulvkluderGuld]

The problem isn't so much in tier 4 games (although they still suck). It is tier 5 and tier 6 games.

 

Everybody and their mother outranges the Karlsruhe (something the Kolberg does not suffer as much from due to being tier 3)

Also it can't push out any worthwhile damage compared to Kolberg, while having effectively the same range.

Only good things about is really nice torp angles, plus it is slightly faster than st. louis and kolberg so at least it can kite them from max range.

 

If you like this ship, tell me how you used it. I used it to kite tier 3 at max range and destroyer hunter-killer missions. 

Any tier 3 CA except the tenryu will beat it by ROF and dpm if only they make it into range. Likewise for tier 4 unless someone shows a big broadside 

Tier 5+ can easily kill it from outside its own range, although sometimes it can get plunging fire Citpens if targets get in range.

 

About tier 7+, I doubt will be that much of a problem, since those ships at least have decent range and damage 

[Unintentional_submarine]

Karlsruhe has been buffed an buffed and buffed again. She has been buffed so much that her top hull is now an entirely different class from what it was initially (though there is some argument that Karlsruhe was intended to represent that class from the beginning too). She is now more Cöln than Königsberg. In fact she is even un-built Cöln with more torps. They should just rename her to Cöln, that's been my position since I found out she was a Königsberg (1915).

 

But the point really is, Karlsruhe isn't likely to get many buffs in the future. She is already changed so much that she isn't the same ship any longer. In the literal sense. That they have done that indicates a sort of desperation, though personally I think changes could be made. Like her having actually good HE, a bit like Yorck later on. Or better range. Or even more HP. Those things could be given.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

Just finished the worst grind in my life.

 

This useless garbage makes all my other grinds look good. Stock pepsi. Stock Trolorado. Even the useless Trashkent.

Havnt done Myogi or Furutaka but so far Karlsruhe is just in a whole league of its own in misery. Thank God it is over!

 

Did anyone like this ship at all? I feel like the Kolberg is probably a better ship!

 

WG please for the sake of future generations of CA captains, buff this ship.

 

I ground through it when it was first released. Back then you seemed to detonate every time somebody fired at you. When not exploding, your engines and steering would get knocked out every time a shell landed within a mile of your rear end. The most painful grind I have had so far. I hated it. The original (pre-buff) Furutaka wasnt even close.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Karlsruhe is the only ship, so far, that I have given up on and Free XPed out of in the end. It wasn't much, something like 4k XP, but no other ship made me quit it in frustration. I think I might have spent something like 200 XP here or 50 XP there to progress because playing another battle would be overkill, but those were not because I disliked the ship so much I had to move on. I even had fun in the old Furutaka (I think that was after the RoF buff though, but it was still pretty bad at the time), using those big guns to great effect. Karlsruhe? Even in the best battles, like the 4 kills ones, I never felt like I had real fun. Yes she can be amusing in periods, but she was just bad back then.

[Getzamatic]

I ground through her the hard way back when the line was new, and then perversely kept her because 1) she is pretty, 2) I'm a big fan of the IGN and 3) I wondered what they would do to her to fix her.

 

First up, let me tell you that compared to when she was first released, the current Karlsruhe is way, way better.  You've got better gun arcs, more torpedoes and your engine doesn't drop out from literally the first hit you take every match.  If you think she's horrible now, shudder at the thought of how much you'd have hated her a year ago...

 

But, as has been pointed out repeatedly in the past, the problem is that the Karlsruhe (at least in her original form) is more suitable to tier 3 than tier 4.  She sits in a middle ground between the Tenryu and St Louis that would make a good contender for the "average" tier 3 cruiser whereas at tier 4 she is being pitched against ships that were designed specifically to be better than her in every way.

 

Sadly, it's not as if there wasn't a good, historical contender for a tier 4 ship in the form of the of the Emden  Lots of people have proposed that the German Cruiser line should have gone Dresden, Karlsrushe, Emden (1925) between tiers 2 and 4.

[1MajorKoenig]

The ship is one of the most beautiful cruisers in the game in my opinion and she got some love by a new (excellent looking) top hull and some additional torpedoes. You can use these at times as a surprise against over confident destroyers. 4 are usually enough to kill the other guy.

 

APs are somewhat decent if you can get in close enough to avoid the long flight time due to low she'll speed. She would deserve a little HE Buff like the Hipster and following though.

 

I still play her due to her beautiful looks - her biggest strength is sadly that other payers tend to underestimate you because the ship is not so strong....

[VC381]

I dont get the hate, this was my favorite T4 cruiser. Short and turns well for dodging, decent AP so you can actually kill enemy cruisers quickly, overall very fun. Might re-buy to test this new hull, and as others have said she's very pretty.

[Unintentional_submarine]

I ground through her the hard way back when the line was new, and then perversely kept her because 1) she is pretty, 2) I'm a big fan of the IGN and 3) I wondered what they would do to her to fix her.

 

First up, let me tell you that compared to when she was first released, the current Karlsruhe is way, way better.  You've got better gun arcs, more torpedoes and your engine doesn't drop out from literally the first hit you take every match.  If you think she's horrible now, shudder at the thought of how much you'd have hated her a year ago...

 

But, as has been pointed out repeatedly in the past, the problem is that the Karlsruhe (at least in her original form) is more suitable to tier 3 than tier 4.  She sits in a middle ground between the Tenryu and St Louis that would make a good contender for the "average" tier 3 cruiser whereas at tier 4 she is being pitched against ships that were designed specifically to be better than her in every way.

 

Sadly, it's not as if there wasn't a good, historical contender for a tier 4 ship in the form of the of the Emden  Lots of people have proposed that the German Cruiser line should have gone Dresden, Karlsrushe, Emden (1925) between tiers 2 and 4.

 

Oh yes. I played directly out of release. Painful.

Her position in the tree is strange. Looking at the Kuma and Phoenix being post-WWI designs made in order to take advantage of the lessons learned. Obviously Karlsruhe is a pre-WWI design. That alone shows a problem in the matchup. It's not like Amagi facing off with North Carolina, where one was free from constraints, the other was designed with heavy treaty constraints.

 

But Emden, if she comes will probably be a premium, and that was perhaps the reason for Karlsruhe's odd position and the weirdness that is Kolberg at T3 (Dresden mk 2). They already had Emden as premium when the tree was being created, and so there wasn't any good T4 candidate. It isn't pretty, that's for sure.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Karlsruhe is the only ship, so far, that I have given up on and Free XPed out of in the end. It wasn't much, something like 4k XP, but no other ship made me quit it in frustration. I think I might have spent something like 200 XP here or 50 XP there to progress because playing another battle would be overkill, but those were not because I disliked the ship so much I had to move on. I even had fun in the old Furutaka (I think that was after the RoF buff though, but it was still pretty bad at the time), using those big guns to great effect. Karlsruhe? Even in the best battles, like the 4 kills ones, I never felt like I had real fun. Yes she can be amusing in periods, but she was just bad back then.

 

This is exactly how it feels. It just isnt fun...even in tier 4 matches!

I made it through without free Xp-ing it but I used every +Xp flag and camo + daily Xp for some +250% xp games.

 

Never had any 4 kill games - except possibly low hp targets I ks'ed and was lucky if I hit 15k dmg (most due to 85% of my matches being tier 5+).

[LadyJess]

Congrats you've finished the Karl. Some people like her others don't. If you felt the karl was bad wait till you get the Yorck and again some people like this one others don't.

Best of Luck and again Congrats.

[piritskenyer]

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WG please for the sake of future generations of CA captains, buff this ship.

 

Ahahahahahhahahhhaaa!

 

They have done nothing but since they released her, and she's still pretty bad. And I have played through her on the release patch. 

 

 

[Tankman76classA]

 

This is exactly how it feels. It just isnt fun...even in tier 4 matches!

I made it through without free Xp-ing it but I used every +Xp flag and camo + daily Xp for some +250% xp games.

 

Never had any 4 kill games - except possibly low hp targets I ks'ed and was lucky if I hit 15k dmg (most due to 85% of my matches being tier 5+).

Similar situation here, a difficult ship to play, most kills 3 so far with an isokaze on 500 hp that from 2 km my shells where unable to hit, jeez. Most damage in this same game with 45k, 15 k farmed an a bb looking the other way. Only positive part is that her shells set a lot of fires. 10 in the game listed

[Tankman76classA]

BUT I MUST GET KONINGSBERG!

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

BUT I MUST GET KONINGSBERG!

 

 

You will not be dissapointed. I absolutely love that ship. But talk about going through hell to get it.....

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

 

Ahahahahahhahahhhaaa!

 

They have done nothing but since they released her, and she's still pretty bad. And I have played through her on the release patch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... and she is still a piece of scrap.

 

 

i dont even want to imagine how bad she was when released.

 

 

just make her tier 3 with a different Name, move down the königsberg (with a slight adjustment to range), nürnberg and yorck (to tier 6) and introduce the graf spee to tier 7.

[lup3s]

tbh I think the Karlsruhe is (a lot) better than when I first played it.

 

I bought the Karlsruhe again to play with a friend (I had no T4 ship) and because I knew it got buffed.

And I like it A LOT more.

It still has its flaws but its AP is absolutely devastating for its tier. I even wrecked multiple higher tier cruisers that ventured too close, getting multiple citadel hits per salvo. (once wrecked a full health Budyonny with only 2 salvoes)

[GulvkluderGuld]

tbh I think the Karlsruhe is (a lot) better than when I first played it.

 

I bought the Karlsruhe again to play with a friend (I had no T4 ship) and because I knew it got buffed.

And I like it A LOT more.

It still has its flaws but its AP is absolutely devastating for its tier. I even wrecked multiple higher tier cruisers that ventured too close, getting multiple citadel hits per salvo. (once wrecked a full health Budyonny with only 2 salvoes)

 

You must be getting stupider opponents than me then. Usually higher tier CAs just spam HE at me from beyond the Karlsruhes measly range and kite me to death.

[lup3s]

 

You must be getting stupider opponents than me then. Usually higher tier CAs just spam HE at me from beyond the Karlsruhes measly range and kite me to death.

 

If the map and game allows it, I use islands to get as close as possible, or fire only when I got detected. You need to know which fight to pick with the Karlsruhe; 1v1 it's not that bad, against multiple opponents.. You'll be lucky to sink one.

Btw I'm not saying the Karlsruhe belongs to the better T4 ships, I just think it got way better since the first time I played it (pre-buff), especially it's AP shell performance.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Point taken about the AP and ship in general.

I'm curious what 1v1 you would take with her.

Tried to take a Kolberg on in a closing engagment (B point on Solomon). No broadsides, just HE spam. Kolberg simply out-dps me, she had more guns and better ROF. Could've won if I hit my torps, but didnt.

Don't think either of us missed very many shots.

[lup3s]

I'd take a 1v1 with any cruiser +1/-1 tier

 

bow or stern on, the AP still inflicts a lot of damage

broadside on, below a certain range I reliably get 2-4 citadels per salvo; and that's 3700 damage / citadel hit (if I'm not mistaken)

 

I was even able to get citadel hits on a Myogi that was < 4 km. I had fired torpedoes but in the end they weren't really necessary as I could've sunk the Myogi with AP alone (iirc I got about 7 citadel hits on the Myogi)

 

I do know it's situational as you have to get below a certain range, but I try to play the Karlsruhe to its strengths and not its weaknesses (as with any ship) and that worked out quite well