German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

[Darth_Glorious]

- Scharnhorst accuracy is better now, it's now about Iowa level :v

 

- Gneisenau has armour as good as Sharnhorst. Firing arc of rear turret is worse than Sharnhorst one about 5 degrees. (Want better firing angle ? Buy premium ships !)

It's very fast and maneovrable. Top AA configuration is strong, it can ward off tier 7 planes (except Saipan planes).

 

- Friedrich der GboBe is ..., what can I say,.... terrible.  It feels like a tier 8+ than a tier 9. This is the worst ship of the line, so you are warned. I think that it's better to stay with 406 mm guns and spam HE then try your luck with the 420 mm guns on this ship because the accuracy is so bad and you have only 8 weakly armoured guns.

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

- Scharnhorst accuracy is better now, it's now about Iowa level :v

 

- Gneisenau has armour as good as Sharnhorst. Firing arc of rear turret is worse than Sharnhorst one about 5 degrees. (Want better firing angle ? Buy premium ships !)

It's very fast and maneovrable. Top AA configuration is strong, it can ward off tier 7 planes (except Saipan planes).

 

- Friedrich der GboBe is ..., what can I say,.... terrible.  It feels like a tier 8+ than a tier 9. This is the worst ship of the line, so you are warned. I think that it's better to stay with 406 mm guns and spam HE then try your luck with the 420 mm guns on this ship because the accuracy is so bad and you have only 8 weakly armoured guns.

 

So the izumo got a replacement now? 

[Carnivore81]

- Scharnhorst accuracy is better now, it's now about Iowa level :v

 

- Gneisenau has armour as good as Sharnhorst. Firing arc of rear turret is worse than Sharnhorst one about 5 degrees. (Want better firing angle ? Buy premium ships !)

It's very fast and maneovrable. Top AA configuration is strong, it can ward off tier 7 planes (except Saipan planes).

 

- Friedrich der GboBe is ..., what can I say,.... terrible.  It feels like a tier 8+ than a tier 9. This is the worst ship of the line, so you are warned. I think that it's better to stay with 406 mm guns and spam HE then try your luck with the 420 mm guns on this ship because the accuracy is so bad and you have only 8 weakly armoured guns.

Spam He really . Than the better adwise Would be . Dont Play it at  all .

[Ictogan]

 

So the izumo got a replacement now? 

 

Izumo is a great ship.

[Carnivore81]

 

So the izumo got a replacement now? 

Izumo way Better than that Ami bs

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

I was joking. Izumo is generally reffered as a crapship, even though its not true anymore. So the FdG will be, what the Izumo once was.

[Vanhal]

 

Izumo is a great ship.

Izumo way Better than that Ami bs

 

[TommyScaletta]

Lets put it like this:

 

Motherf*cking Campbeltown > Sh*tzumo

[Dlia_Katyushi]

- Scharnhorst accuracy is better now, it's now about Iowa level :v

 

- Gneisenau has armour as good as Sharnhorst. Firing arc of rear turret is worse than Sharnhorst one about 5 degrees. (Want better firing angle ? Buy premium ships !)

It's very fast and maneovrable. Top AA configuration is strong, it can ward off tier 7 planes (except Saipan planes).

 

- Friedrich der GboBe is ..., what can I say,.... terrible.  It feels like a tier 8+ than a tier 9. This is the worst ship of the line, so you are warned. I think that it's better to stay with 406 mm guns and spam HE then try your luck with the 420 mm guns on this ship because the accuracy is so bad and you have only 8 weakly armoured guns.

 

​They need to stop smoking weed. Come on these ships are supposed to be competitive against other 9 and 10s but according to this they look like M3 Lee in WoT.

[Ferry_25]

Does anyone have an ETA for both DQ and the KM BB line? (other than "soon"). At least with DQ there will be finally a ship with the correct "red, white, blue in the lines.... For the "RN fans" I mean the straight lines like you saw at the "river"  Thames (actually a former kreek from the river Rhine) chain with your all good pal Michiel for wich he got the orde of st Michael from Louis XIV....

Please whine some more for the RN to appear in this game! Where is the RN in this game??!! Oh, the ships which are there are SO good! I even agree with Flammu on his POV towards the cameltoe and Warspite? lol! I'll fire at you next week, when my turrets have traversed....

 

Plse Wg: bring in just 1. 1 that's all I'm (and I'm sure much players with me). 1 Dutch ship into this wonderful game.

[BuccaneerBill]

. For the "RN fans" I mean the straight lines like you saw at the "river"  Thames (actually the River  Medway a former kreek from the river Rhine) 

 

 But OK.

[Comrad_StaIin]

Does anyone have an ETA for both DQ and the KM BB line? (other than "soon"). At least with DQ there will be finally a ship with the correct "red, white, blue in the lines.... 

fify 

[KMS_Tirpitz]

 

I play battleships and I don't have a problem with a ship based around armor, secondaries and speed. I would much rather have that than some boring 20km sniper ship.

 

So, speak for yourself.

 

I didn't say that either....  

 

I said people don't play BBs to be constantly hit without being able to effectively respond. Remember the ridiculous dispersion patterns in this game makes it so that even at close ranges BBs still miss a whole heck of a lot of shots, thus the dispersion is important at ALL ranges.

 

There's a VERY good reason both the Kawachi and initially also the Colorado had such bad reputations = their horrible accuracy. This was the SOLE reason people hated playing them, myself included. And please let's not kid ourselves and think WG doesn't know that perfectly well, they know consistent accuracy = fun, hence why the German & American ships generally aren't accurate ingame.

 

Also to those who keep talking about "boring long range sniping or base campers" I don't fancy long range sniping myself, I find the best ranges to be around 12-15 km, but the ability to also be accurate at long range shouldn't be the worst for the ships which historically displayed the best accuracy, that's just wrong and a slap in the face of history. It litterally makes no sense to balance things the way WG did - or perhaps I should say it doesn't make sense to those of us without any national agenda. No it's becoming pretty clear what this whole WG franchise is all about... 

[fnord_disc]

 I said people don't play BBs to be constantly hit without being able to effectively respond. Remember the ridiculous dispersion patterns in this game makes it so that even at close ranges BBs still miss a whole heck of a lot of shots, thus the dispersion is important at ALL ranges.

 

Aye, it is. That's completely true.

 

 There's a VERY good reason both the Kawachi and initially also the Colorado had such bad reputations = their horrible accuracy. This was the SOLE reason people hated playing them, myself included. And please let's not kid ourselves and think WG doesn't know that perfectly well, they know consistent accuracy = fun, hence why the German & American ships generally aren't accurate ingame.

 

Lol? Because WG make a lot of money from having boring American and German ships, their two biggest single-language markets outside RU?

 

Dude.

 

I'm not a big fan of the way WG is handling some game design decisions either, but it clearly is just plain wrong decisions and not a conspiracy.

 

 or perhaps I should say it doesn't make sense to those of us without any national agenda. No it's becoming pretty clear what this whole WG franchise is all about...

 

Are you saying:

 

• WG is making German ships weaker on purpose
• WG is making German ships less accurate on purpose

 

?

 

Because the first is simply not true. German ships are not weaker than those of other nations and perform statistically average. Is it the second? That you think WG is making American and German ships inaccurate because of some conspiracy to deceive people on the internet into thinking German guns were bad WW2? If that's the case then this discussion is over and I will not respond again to your tin-foil hat insanity. I'd only like to add that right now it looks to me like you're the one with a political agenda here.

 

Anyway, just for you, out of the greatness of my heart.

 

  It litterally makes no sense to balance things the way WG did

 

It makes a lot of sense, actually. After all, what weakness would you pick? What woud you choose as the weakness of the German line?

 

• If WG makes German armor weak, people complain about muhwotanstahl
• If WG makes ships slow, they complain about muh 30kn
• If WG gives them bad AA, they complain slightly less
• If WG gives them low HP, people complain about muhgermanengineering

 

So, bad AA. Okay. But that isn't going to cut it. Japanese-level accuracy with better armor than paper ships like Fuso, Kongo, Amagi? And still 25kn+ and armor at least as good?

 

Where is the weakness?

 

Design me a German ship. Any tier you like, give me ingame values, dispersion, dps, etc. I'm curious.

[aleksi111]

128 mm secondaries are very vulnerable to HE due to low armour.

150 mm secondaries are more resilient vs HE, but vulnerable to AP

 

Darth, can you confirm how the fully enclosed 12.8cm turrets fare against 10.5cm open mounts when being hit by HE spam? By all logic that I poses the 12.8cm's should be better protected vs HE than 10.5's, yet I find it tough to say logic and Wargaming in the same sentence. Like that mixed battery in german Tier. IX, and especially in Tier X that should have uniform 12.8cm's in my opinion.

 

On same note, Tier IX seems to have fully enclosed 10.5cm's. Are they more resistant to damage or in any way better than the older open mounts?

 

 

Btw, some of you might have seen these already, but just found new (to me) pics of intact, upgraded Gneisenau: http://imgur.com/gallery/jFKY3

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Darth, can you confirm how the fully enclosed 12.8cm turrets fare against 10.5cm open mounts when being hit by HE spam? By all logic that I poses the 12.8cm's should be better protected vs HE than 10.5's, yet I find it tough to say logic and Wargaming in the same sentence. Like that mixed battery in german Tier. IX, and especially in Tier X that should have uniform 12.8cm's in my opinion.

 

On same note, Tier IX seems to have fully enclosed 10.5cm's. Are they more resistant to damage or in any way better than the older open mounts?

 

 

Btw, some of you might have seen these already, but just found new (to me) pics of intact, upgraded Gneisenau: http://imgur.com/gallery/jFKY3

 

It's not about enclosed or not. If your turret armour is too weak and HE can pen it, and your turret will go down quickly....

The 105 mm and 128 mm turrets have only 20 mm armour, so even 127 mm HE from DDs (with 21 mm pen) can knock them out....

The 150 mm turrets is much stronger, they have 100 mm front armour. So they are more resilient vs HE, but vulnerable to AP.

[SmartassNoob]

But if someone shoots at it and misses, the projectile will hit a wall behind the open turret and explode, still killing the crew.

[Darth_Glorious]

Dunkerque stats :

 

 

 

Prinz Eugen pics and stats :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fnord_disc]

Secondaries Turret HP is the same as any other battleship, so the thicker armor ones are fine. There are no secondaries on any ship that don't get knocked out from AP eventually.

[SmartassNoob]

How does one buy a 19 point captain? Is that from a press account?

[fnord_disc]

How does one buy a 19 point captain? Is that from a press account?

 

How does one buy a ship that isn't even in the standard game client?

[SmartassNoob]

I'm assuming it's from the chinese server? They're rumored to have all sorts of stuff that others don't.

[Darth_Glorious]

Prinz Eugne will be sold in Chinese server with lv 19 captain...

[SmartassNoob]

That thing must be the ultimate pay to win ship. With 19 points one could probably get all the upgrades that a cruiser can use.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

I would love to buy the Dunkerque with a 19 point captain, as we don't have any current French captains available to us. I cant remember how many points/skills my German captain has, but he has enough to get going to put in the Scharnhorst.