[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #701 Posted July 29, 2016 hey i just read that seemingly from Tier 3 to 7 NO citadel armour on the german BBs is corect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #702 Posted July 29, 2016 hey i just read that seemingly from Tier 3 to 7 NO citadel armour on the german BBs is corect In response I'd like to use the word that's missing from the quote in your signature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #703 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) all that there is to show... https://www.google.de/search?q=Steve+austin+finger&biw=1920&bih=971&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi88O_VtpjOAhXGaxQKHVJeDYgQ_AUIBigB Edited July 29, 2016 by GrossadmiralThrawn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmii Alpha Tester 74 posts 11,989 battles Report post #704 Posted July 29, 2016 Warspite has 8 guns too, but it's a great ship. i have her and i like her too... a bit . It`s not only about the sheer number of guns. True! but also the caliber, range, the armor protection of vital parts, speed. warspite can compete with fuso , NM or Arizona. but tbh i`d rather be sailing one of those while facing a warspite. sure u can put any ship vs the other. they don`t have to be equal in every important stat. but the main weapons has to be taken into consideration. don`t forget about warspite`s arty caliber. comparing the other T6 BBs it`s quite high with a good penetration. Bayern has 8 guns too but lower caliber. low range. low armor prot of vital parts. medium reload time. My point is that i`m concerned about the ship balance looking only at the stats on PAPER. and on paper doesn`t look promising comparing other tech tree same tier Bbs. ofc i may be foolishly wrong about it and i may be happy when the ship will finally be released. i dont have the inner stats about the armor scheme, shell velocity, accuracy. those i guess are the data Devs have and obv. they know what they are doing. i don`t make a statement that the ship is underpowered comparing the same tier ships and class. i am just worried about what i see about Bayern`s stats at this moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #705 Posted July 29, 2016 hey i just read that seemingly from Tier 3 to 7 NO citadel armour on the german BBs is corect I don't know, but German BBs really have good armour overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #706 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) hmm Edited July 29, 2016 by GrossadmiralThrawn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTC] Sevatarion Beta Tester 11 posts 4,917 battles Report post #707 Posted July 29, 2016 Well i would say there is a difference between "German BBs really have good armour overall." and for example in the case of the König a nerf of 43% of its belt armor (from 350mm to 200mm), plus taking into account that the German BBs have les HP to make up for the strong armor (which is nerfed) plus the partly nerfed RoFs, Accuracy and the lesser shell damage due smaller calibers in many tiers i hope the BB line doesnt go down the drain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #708 Posted July 29, 2016 according to what i foudn the König gets 200mm belt armour... the actual thickness was 350mm... THATS WORSE THEN THE KONGOS... the german BB gets A WORSE ARMOUR THEN A JAPANESE BATTLE CRUISER... and it has neither the speed NOR the Range NOR THE PRECISION NOR THE HP to make up for that... Good overall armour?... WITH LESS ARMOUR THAN A BATTLE CRUISER? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,007 battles Report post #709 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) I think there are switched values of Citadel armor and Gun Casemate Armor on wiki.For example Bayern has it on wiki:50 — 260 mm Citadel armor170 — 350 mm Gun Casemate Armor Edit: Or if the german wiki is correct then Bayer has really citadel "only" 250 mm. The belt has 350mm. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Bayern_(1915)Panzerung Gürtel: 30–350 mm Deck: 90–120 mm Türme: 100–350 mm Barbetten: 40–350 mm Kasematten: 170 mm vorderer Kommandostand: 50–400 mm achterer Kommandostand: 50–170 mm Zitadelle: 250 mm Torpedoschott: 50 mm Querschotte: 170–200 mm Edited July 29, 2016 by Sigimundus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #710 Posted July 29, 2016 according to what i foudn the König gets 200mm belt armour... the actual thickness was 350mm... THATS WORSE THEN THE KONGOS... the german BB gets A WORSE ARMOUR THEN A JAPANESE BATTLE CRUISER... and it has neither the speed NOR the Range NOR THE PRECISION NOR THE HP to make up for that... Good overall armour?... WITH LESS ARMOUR THAN A BATTLE CRUISER? I don't know, but WG fucked up shown armour value in the past. Konig is very hard to take citadel hits from other BBs. Bayern doesn't give a crap about other same tier BBs APs too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #711 Posted July 29, 2016 i've we're LUCKY then the given CASEMATE armour is actually the belt and the citadel is only the citadel... then the Bayern i think would also be accurate it hink.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,007 battles Report post #712 Posted July 29, 2016 I don't know, but WG fucked up shown armour value in the past. Konig is very hard to take citadel hits from other BBs. Bayern doesn't give a crap about other same tier BBs APs too. I think it is because the citadel may have "only" 250mm but it is hidden behind belt which has 350mm so it means 600mm of total armor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #713 Posted July 29, 2016 I think it is because the citadel may have "only" 250mm but it is hidden behind belt which has 350mm so it means 600mm of total armor. No, look like the citadel is very small or hides below waterline.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,007 battles Report post #714 Posted July 29, 2016 i've we're LUCKY then the given CASEMATE armour is actually the belt and the citadel is only the citadel... then the Bayern i think would also be accurate it hink.. On the Wows wiki there are only numbers for citadel and casemate but there are not any number for belt so it is slightly misleading Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,007 battles Report post #715 Posted July 29, 2016 No, look like the citadel is very small or hides below waterline.... I hope ther add the "armor inspector" to game already so we can check it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #716 Posted July 29, 2016 Until I see the armor model, all this is just hot air. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #717 Posted July 29, 2016 according to what i foudn the König gets 200mm belt armour... the actual thickness was 350mm... THATS WORSE THEN THE KONGOS... the german BB gets A WORSE ARMOUR THEN A JAPANESE BATTLE CRUISER... and it has neither the speed NOR the Range NOR THE PRECISION NOR THE HP to make up for that... Good overall armour?... WITH LESS ARMOUR THAN A BATTLE CRUISER? You seriously think wargaming will spend the effort to get all the detailed research plans and then change all the armour levels as they see fit? Uh no. Armour will be near enough historic no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #718 Posted July 29, 2016 You seriously think wargaming will spend the effort to get all the detailed research plans and then change all the armour levels as they see fit? Uh no. Armour will be near enough historic no doubt. Wouldn't be the first time, I bet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JUNK] Affeks [JUNK] Beta Tester 1,934 posts 8,416 battles Report post #719 Posted July 29, 2016 You seriously think wargaming will spend the effort to get all the detailed research plans and then change all the armour levels as they see fit? Uh no. Armour will be near enough historic no doubt. They already fucked the GK with those triple turrets and possibly no turtleback so whats stopping them from violating the rest of the tech tree?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #720 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Preventive Maintenance perk doesn't stop GK turrets to be destroyed from even tier 8 BBs like NC. So brawl, but try to keep a minimum distance too... Edited July 30, 2016 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #721 Posted July 30, 2016 They already fucked the GK with those triple turrets and possibly no turtleback so whats stopping them from violating the rest of the tech tree?! Oh right so the ships have not been finalised or released yet but people are already whining based on possibilities and maybes? Nice. Why don't just wait till their released, then decide if buffs/nerfs are required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JUNK] Affeks [JUNK] Beta Tester 1,934 posts 8,416 battles Report post #722 Posted July 30, 2016 Oh right so the ships have not been finalised or released yet but people are already whining based on possibilities and maybes? Nice. Why don't just wait till their released, then decide if buffs/nerfs are required. They'll never put an effort into making new turrets, the triple turrets are here to stay. I don't complain about it being over or underpowered, WHat grinds my gears is they don't use the hull as its supposed to historically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmartassNoob Players 723 posts 5,774 battles Report post #723 Posted July 30, 2016 How do they even know what the H-series ships are suppose to look like? If there are design drawings available, why aren't they at wikipedia then? I'm sure they just made those ships up. They have it tripple turrets as a trade off from the poor rear turret angles so it would be OP in the game. The H39 and H40 are not historical, they were designed by the game developers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #724 Posted July 30, 2016 How do they even know what the H-series ships are suppose to look like? If there are design drawings available, why aren't they at wikipedia then? I'm sure they just made those ships up. They have it tripple turrets as a trade off from the poor rear turret angles so it would be OP in the game. The H39 and H40 are not historical, they were designed by the game developers. lol wikipedia 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #725 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) GK barbecue Gneisenau vs Dunkerque http://v.huya.com/play/2752233-333302862097.html Gneisenau will be my keeper :v Edited July 30, 2016 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
