Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #676 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Dunkerque max dispersion : 227 m at 18,2 km (with -7% gun dispersion module) Edited July 28, 2016 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,155 battles Report post #677 Posted July 28, 2016 If you can't give us the German bb's, how about Konig Albert? Surely that must be ready (I know, don't call you Surely). She was announced on twitter to be ready, soon. My guess is tomorrow or saturday. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #678 Posted July 28, 2016 they will be released around the time that gamescom is happening. Now THAT is something I like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #679 Posted July 28, 2016 In case anyone's interested, the entire German BB line and the Dunkerque have been posted on WG's WoWs wiki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1DSF] Carnivore81 Moderator, In AlfaTesters 3,523 posts 9,588 battles Report post #680 Posted July 28, 2016 Yay Bismarck same Dispersion asTirpitz. Anyone know the sigma AT least is better. I dont know how the Bismarck should Perform as Tirpitz. With only better secondary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NameChangingIsToExpensiv Players 260 posts 3,757 battles Report post #681 Posted July 28, 2016 WG Wiki says that the Gneisenau has only 260mm citadel armor. WTF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #682 Posted July 28, 2016 WG Wiki says that the Gneisenau has only 260mm citadel armor. WTF? German engineering is too strong for WoWs. It has to be nerfed or there would be no German ships lower than T8 or T9. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] Psychocouac Alpha Tester 390 posts 7,502 battles Report post #683 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Wiki said no info available. Mhmh. Link anyone? Found. Edited July 28, 2016 by Psychocouac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] Psychocouac Alpha Tester 390 posts 7,502 battles Report post #684 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Dunkerque hype intensifies. Edited July 28, 2016 by Psychocouac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zogash85 Beta Tester 516 posts 4,160 battles Report post #685 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Yay Bismarck same Dispersion asTirpitz. Anyone know the sigma AT least is better. I dont know how the Bismarck should Perform as Tirpitz. With only better secondary. Yeah hmm... I sure do hope Bismarck gets something to make it competitive with the other Tier 8s. If it's just a worse Tirpitz, I'm gonna be really sad. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time the premium version is far better than the regular... Omaha/Murmansk, anyone? But... it's the friggin' BISMARCK! You better not screw this up WG! Edited July 28, 2016 by Zogash85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KubusSc7 Beta Tester 180 posts 9,596 battles Report post #686 Posted July 29, 2016 Yeah hmm... I sure do hope Bismarck gets something to make it competitive with the other Tier 8s. If it's just a worse Tirpitz, I'm gonna be really sad. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time the premium version is far better than the regular... Omaha/Murmansk, anyone? But... it's the friggin' BISMARCK! You better not screw this up WG! 11km Secondaries...better AA...faster speed...more accurate...this sounds "worse" to you? oO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1DSF] Carnivore81 Moderator, In AlfaTesters 3,523 posts 9,588 battles Report post #687 Posted July 29, 2016 11km Secondaries...better AA...faster speed...more accurate...this sounds "worse" to you? oO More accurate . Dispersion Looks the Same for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KubusSc7 Beta Tester 180 posts 9,596 battles Report post #688 Posted July 29, 2016 More accurate . Dispersion Looks the Same for me. I read something around 257 earlier...but even if it has the exact same dispersion...with that range it's not bad. And what about the other points? It will be a good brawler, even without torps. With those HE spamming secondaries you will set everything on fire with a secondary build. And the betetr AA will keep bombers at bay. Even Tirpitz could get rid of most planes becfore they could drop their load...at least on T8 and partially T9. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #689 Posted July 29, 2016 [quote name= She inherited her predecessors' very powerful armor. Citadel armor: 50 — 200 mm. Someone's been derping on the job, it seems. T4 has 40-265mm of citadel armor. Sidenote: IRL, both the Kaiser and König classes had a 350mm armored belt. These things were supposed to take on the Royal Navy's dreadnoughts, and in WoWs their armor is weaker than that of a battlecruiser?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FO] Todger_Fairmile Players 494 posts 17,557 battles Report post #690 Posted July 29, 2016 Someone's been derping on the job, it seems. T4 has 40-265mm of citadel armor. Sidenote: IRL, both the Kaiser and König classes had a 350mm armored belt. These things were supposed to take on the Royal Navy's dreadnoughts, and in WoWs their armor is weaker than that of a battlecruiser?! We'll see when they come out, but I believe the listing is a mistake (better be). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #691 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Someone's been derping on the job, it seems. T4 has 40-265mm of citadel armor. Sidenote: IRL, both the Kaiser and König classes had a 350mm armored belt. These things were supposed to take on the Royal Navy's dreadnoughts, and in WoWs their armor is weaker than that of a battlecruiser?! It's a UI bug. The belt thickness on the model vary between 180 and 350 mm, so they show the average value which is 265 mm... Edited July 29, 2016 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #692 Posted July 29, 2016 It's a UI bug. The belt thickness on the model vary between 180 and 350 mm, so they show the average value which is 265 mm... The main point of my post was that the ship's flavor text says it has the same great armor as its predecessors, but the values listed actually drop from a max of 265 to a max of 200. Also, if the stats are shown as "min - max", I'd expect it to say 40-350. Are you saying it's showing 40-"average of max"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmii Alpha Tester 74 posts 11,989 battles Report post #693 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) looking at Bayern T6 stats on paper i became a bit worried. at T6 we have ( top config) 1. Fuso 57,100Hit Points19 — 305 mm. Citadel armor, 12 guns, Rate of Fire 2.1 shots/min, 28.57 sec. Reload Time, range 21.8Km, speed 24.5 knts 2. New Mexico 53.200 Hp, Citadel Armor 76-343, 12 guns , 1.8 shots/min, range 14.9 km ( can be upgraded with 16 % increase from arty plot mod 1), speed 21 knts 3. Arizona 57.200 Hp, citadel armor 115-343, 12 guns, 1.7 shots/min, range 16 km ( can be upgraded to 18.6 km with arty plotting room mod 1),speed 21 knts 4. Bayern 51.600 Hp, citadel armor 50-260, 8 guns, 2 shots/min, range 16.6 km (without possibility to mount arty plotting room mod 1!!!) speed 25 knts. had to edit my own post forgot one more incoming ship 5. Dunkerque 52.600 Hp, 40-225 citadel armor, 8 guns, 2.1 shots/min, range 18.2 km, speed 29,5 knts. (now this looks on PAPER! even worst then Bayern) Now looking at the Bayern BB stats ON PAPER! looks bad. 8 guns vs 12. low cita armor prot. lowest range ( without the option to increase range with mods) and 3rd best rof. A BBs main weapons are the main guns. not the secondaries. also not sure about the armor stats but again on paper Bayern has the 2nd lowest citadel protection of all the T6 Bbs. secondaries are NOT the main weapon of a BB. So i wonder how will Devs. balance that poor main arty stats comparing Japan`s Fuso or USA NM or Arizona? Edited July 29, 2016 by evilmii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #694 Posted July 29, 2016 i hope that the 260 are actualyl wrong... because it should actually have 350mm... also interesting: the bayern has ahgiher displacement than the Fuso... well... most likely the same crap as the GK which is larger and most likely heavier than Yamato but has 10 k less health Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #695 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) argh wrong thread Edited July 29, 2016 by GrossadmiralThrawn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #696 Posted July 29, 2016 looking at Bayern T6 stats on paper i became a bit worried. at T6 we have ( top config) 1. Fuso 57,100Hit Points19 — 305 mm. Citadel armor, 12 guns, Rate of Fire 2.1 shots/min, 28.57 sec. Reload Time, range 21.8Km, speed 24.5 knts 2. New Mexico 53.200 Hp, Citadel Armor 76-343, 12 guns , 1.8 shots/min, range 14.9 km ( can be upgraded with 16 % increase from arty plot mod 1), speed 21 knts 3. Arizona 57.200 Hp, citadel armor 115-343, 12 guns, 1.7 shots/min, range 16 km ( can be upgraded to 18.6 km with arty plotting room mod 1),speed 21 knts 4. Bayern 51.600 Hp, citadel armor 50-260, 8 guns, 2 shots/min, range 16.6 km (without possibility to mount arty plotting room mod 1!!!) speed 25 knts. had to edit my own post forgot one more incoming ship 5. Dunkerque 52.600 Hp, 40-225 citadel armor, 8 guns, 2.1 shots/min, range 18.2 km, speed 29,5 knts. (now this looks on PAPER! even worst then Bayern) Now looking at the Bayern BB stats ON PAPER! looks bad. 8 guns vs 12. low cita armor prot. lowest range ( without the option to increase range with mods) and 3rd best rof. A BBs main weapons are the main guns. not the secondaries. also not sure about the armor stats but again on paper Bayern has the 2nd lowest citadel protection of all the T6 Bbs. secondaries are NOT the main weapon of a BB. So i wonder how will Devs. balance that poor main arty stats comparing Japan`s Fuso or USA NM or Arizona? Warspite has 8 guns too, but it's a great ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #697 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Dunkerque fire resistance is bad, it's easy to catch fire. Its armour is also weak, can takes citadel hits from low tier CAs. Edited July 29, 2016 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diminios Players 324 posts 3,103 battles Report post #698 Posted July 29, 2016 looking at Bayern T6 stats on paper i became a bit worried. at T6 we have ( top config) 1. Fuso 57,100Hit Points19 — 305 mm. Citadel armor, 12 guns, Rate of Fire 2.1 shots/min, 28.57 sec. Reload Time, range 21.8Km, speed 24.5 knts 2. New Mexico 53.200 Hp, Citadel Armor 76-343, 12 guns , 1.8 shots/min, range 14.9 km ( can be upgraded with 16 % increase from arty plot mod 1), speed 21 knts 3. Arizona 57.200 Hp, citadel armor 115-343, 12 guns, 1.7 shots/min, range 16 km ( can be upgraded to 18.6 km with arty plotting room mod 1),speed 21 knts 4. Bayern 51.600 Hp, citadel armor 50-260, 8 guns, 2 shots/min, range 16.6 km (without possibility to mount arty plotting room mod 1!!!) speed 25 knts. had to edit my own post forgot one more incoming ship 5. Dunkerque 52.600 Hp, 40-225 citadel armor, 8 guns, 2.1 shots/min, range 18.2 km, speed 29,5 knts. (now this looks on PAPER! even worst then Bayern) Now looking at the Bayern BB stats ON PAPER! looks bad. 8 guns vs 12. low cita armor prot. lowest range ( without the option to increase range with mods) and 3rd best rof. A BBs main weapons are the main guns. not the secondaries. also not sure about the armor stats but again on paper Bayern has the 2nd lowest citadel protection of all the T6 Bbs. secondaries are NOT the main weapon of a BB. So i wonder how will Devs. balance that poor main arty stats comparing Japan`s Fuso or USA NM or Arizona? NM with arty plot room 1 has 17.3km range, so it's not that much better. And you're very lucky to get a hit at that range with its dispersion. Warspite is even worse than the Bayern though, at 16.3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,007 battles Report post #699 Posted July 29, 2016 Dunkerque fire resistance is bad, it's easy to catch fire. Its armour is also weak, can takes citadel hits from low tier CAs. From front or from side? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #700 Posted July 29, 2016 From front or from side? From side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
