German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

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[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

 

Scharnhorst

 

 

Stop teasing me dam it. I want them both.

[Adwaenyth]

 

Scharnhorst

 

 

Well guess that Dunkerque's will mostly be stationary gun platforms or sailing backwards most of the time considering her loadout... Too bad if someone actually gets behind her.

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

 

Well guess that Dunkerque's will mostly be stationary gun platforms or sailing backwards most of the time considering her loadout... Too bad if someone actually gets behind her.

 

I never have used secondary guns modules. probably wrong to do so. But maybe in this ship i will make the secondary guns as good as possible.

[_Armur_Tiger_]

 

Following my source, the Scharnhorst's 11 inches guns struggles to pen tier 6 Fuso, so you should be thankful that the Gneisenau has 15 inches stock guns

28 cm (11") SK C/34

 

And Fuso(and Nagato) has max thickness of 305mm on its belt, obviously it has barely and Deck penetrating power but thats nothing new since light weight shells always have bad Deck pen

 

Lolorado has max 343mm, so you have to get within 14km for that, altough only that for guaranteed pen on the thickest parts, on the weaker you can be further out

[MakiseKurisuEU]

 

Well guess that Dunkerque's will mostly be stationary gun platforms or sailing backwards most of the time considering her loadout... Too bad if someone actually gets behind her.

 

 

If she has the usual 25mm bow as other tier6 BBs then Bayern/Warspite will still just punch right through her face 

[Todger_Fairmile]

 

Following my source, the Scharnhorst's 11 inches guns struggles to pen tier 6 Fuso, so you should be thankful that the Gneisenau has 15 inches stock guns

I have no problem with Gneisneau's 380's. I was probably going to buy Sharnhorst anyway.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

 

Well guess that Dunkerque's will mostly be stationary gun platforms or sailing backwards most of the time considering her loadout... Too bad if someone actually gets behind her.

 

Certainly, how to get from A to B is going to be critical in the Dunkerque. You are going to have to pick your route carefully, so if you need to get away, you can turn in such a way, as to keep your guns trained on your target. The player, and their teammates are going to have to understand that point, if its to be played effectively.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

I have no problem with Gneisneau's 380's. I was probably going to buy Sharnhorst anyway.

 

Same with me.

[Darth_Glorious]

28 cm (11") SK C/34

 

And Fuso(and Nagato) has max thickness of 305mm on its belt, obviously it has barely and Deck penetrating power but thats nothing new since light weight shells always have bad Deck pen

 

Lolorado has max 343mm, so you have to get within 14km for that, altough only that for guaranteed pen on the thickest parts, on the weaker you can be further out

 

My source said that he struggles to pen Fuso AI bot....with those 11 inches guns. So don't expect too much about its guns.

[Vulgarny]

Those WoT kids playing WoWs

[Masterrix]

Scharnhorst camo has failures in the superstructure, while the hull is painted accurate

[Todger_Fairmile]

I see the 380's on Gneisneau have the same rate of fire and rotation as Bismarck/Tirpitz.

[Panzerblitz]

Dunkerque will be interesting, since you can stay perfectly angled and bring your full firepower to bear.

Scharnhorst will stand and fall depending on the accuracy of her 11" guns, could also become a fantastic ship for ranked. Gneisenau will probably have a hard time at T7, because you just can't compete with other nation's total shell weight when you only have 6x15".

 

Do we have any dispersion info about the 11" ?

[KMS_Hydra]

I read on the other ship stat site(the one with the black background, can'T remember the name) that she has 260 m dispersion on 19.9 km

[Darth_Glorious]

Dunkerque will be interesting, since you can stay perfectly angled and bring your full firepower to bear.

 

Scharnhorst will stand and fall depending on the accuracy of her 11" guns, could also become a fantastic ship for ranked. Gneisenau will probably have a hard time at T7, because you just can't compete with other nation's total shell weight when you only have 6x15".

 

Do we have any dispersion info about the 11" ?

 

260 m at 20 km, so about the same as Tirpitz 15 inches...but with terrible pen.

[MakiseKurisuEU]

Dunkerque will be interesting, since you can stay perfectly angled and bring your full firepower to bear.

 

Scharnhorst will stand and fall depending on the accuracy of her 11" guns, could also become a fantastic ship for ranked. Gneisenau will probably have a hard time at T7, because you just can't compete with other nation's total shell weight when you only have 6x15".

 

Do we have any dispersion info about the 11" ?

 

 

260m. afaik no info on the sigma value yet. let's wait and see.

[Gojuadorai]

 

It was part of the original camo the french used on it, at one point.

 

 yeah why they havnt chosen another camo with less french over it... well guess french player like it...

[Vulgarny]

I can tell yzou that sigma is pretty bad also

[Panzerblitz]

So this leaves us with only the high rof.

 

Oh well, we will see. For me it's a must buy, since she will be the first ship to offer really different T7 BB gameplay.

 

But I really expected better accuracy out of those 11" guns. Something halfway between cruiser guns and real BB guns. This also opens a whole other can of worms because of the Deutschland class. I suppose that sooner or later we will see one of these ships, either in a new tree or as premium, and the Deutschland's 11" guns were actually inferior to the Scharn/Gneis.

 

So imagine a 28 kts Deutschland with heavy cruiser armor and BB dispersion on her 6x11". The horror.....

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

 

But I really expected better accuracy out of those 11" guns. Something halfway between cruiser guns and real BB guns. This also opens a whole other can of worms because of the Deutschland class. I suppose that sooner or later we will see one of these ships, either in a new tree or as premium, and the Deutschland's 11" guns were actually inferior to the Scharn/Gneis.

 

I did expect the same. But hey, just WG things.

[pUREsTORM]

 can i have it without so much french flag all over it please????

 

Aren't the stripes more for neutrailty, since other Navies' ships had similar stripes on their turrets during the Spanish Civil War. Here's Warspite as an example.

 

[Vanhal]

So they have done what I feared with Gneisenau and only given it the 380mm guns, which will probably be rather bad - I could imagine that the experience of playing it will be similar to another BB with only 6 barrels and bad dispersion. Another reason why I dislike it is because now using the historical configuration on the Gneisenau isn't possible anymore. Might not buy the Scharnhorst because of this(would've bought it otherwise).

 

That totally seem to be [edited]move to sell more Scharnhorst.

I'm usually all for WG paper ships, but not only making Gneisenau regular ship instead of Scharnhorst, but actually removing historical setup which it totally should have and, more important, REMOVING PLAYER CHOICE in this matter, only to shat on our heads with Myogi-bis (which i hated exactly for having only 6 guns with bad accuracy)? [edited], [edited]move.

 

EDIT: Come on, WG, autocensoring diminutive name for Richard?

[piritskenyer]

DUNKERQUE

 

GIMMEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Darth_Glorious]

Bismarck has 7 km secondary gun range while Tirpitz has only 4.5 km secondary gun range :v. WG amazed me :v