The CV Captains Cabin

[Redcap375]

7 hours ago, USSARIZONA_2015 said:

This is a problem for me.

 

While I kinda want to sell so I can get the free XP,  many tears, blood, and sweat was shed to get the Midway. (which I had gotten WAY before the re-work)

 

This also applies to my IJN CV grind (though granted I only wanted Hiryuu and Shoukaku) so I really don't know what to do, because I could sell the lines to get the Kurfurst and Lion, but yet I want to keep something (Midway) that I grinded pretty hard to get (even though I'm STILL not good at CVs)

 

And it's the same for all of us.

 

But there is no point playing something which is totally different and you simply don't enjoy. 

 

Oh, I could carry on and play CV's for the Clan in CB and whatnot, due to the kinda person i am i would probably  get relativity good at it. However, it will never be the same and I will always be saying that.  Like some old drunk propping up the bar in my local pub, remembering about when things were good.

 

The biggest kickers for me:

 

1) The boring gameplay compared to before.

2) The actual gameplay. It has console written all over it and I'm still down with the Commodore 64 kids.  

3) The lack of tactics is probably the most telling factor with me.

4) No 1 vs 1 CV play anymore.  I really miss that, alot.

5) Lack of Defensive actions and controlling your own CV.

 

I/we cant be stuck in the past and need to move on.  It's a game at the end of the day, there should never be any sentimental feeling for any WG game, ever. 

 

Too many people do tho, like Star Citizen when people have invested so much money in it, they feel like they cant walk away.  Sometimes you gonna take it on the chin and move on. 

 

I could get all sorts of thing with the free XP, like the Alaska, another free XP ship and the Harra with XP to spare.

 

Well, a few weeks left to decide but don't miss the boat if they don't fix it, you will regret IMHO.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

On 2/1/2019 at 9:11 AM, Redcap375 said:

I said I will give this rework time, but already thinking of selling at least one whole line (IJN).

 

If it's any comfort, I sold ALL my CVs the day the rework went live (after getting snowflake steel). Now I have 82k doubloons and, at least for the moment, no motivation of touching this game anymore.

gg wp WG

[Bainsmit_steel]

If they want us to believe that they made rework in order to balance cv that is a big NO.

 

I agree that console is written all over this rework also CV especially Hakyuru is  even more unbalanced then any cv was before (if CV was unbalanced...many says yes...i do not think so...)....there is even some talks that one Haku player made 500 k of damage...also it has that torpedo exploit...not to mention that CVs now become uber sporting tool....and damage is not significantly less then before....CV now is also the least interactive class of all bacillary you can not do a thing apart to flay that little planes which loss does not mean a thing...this is not a good way...and I am betting that even less people will play cvs when hype is over...apart damage chasers they will play it.  

[deadly_if_swallowed]

To be fair, the way they managed the plane reserves, i.e. unlimited hangar capacity but only a set number of planes on deck, is probably the only thing I like about the rework. Wish we had that in the RTS version (with adequate nerfs to planes per se for balancing).

[Bainsmit_steel]

But that is the thing loss of planes do not mean a thing. In one game i deliberately destroyed every squad i flew and I still had 1/2 or even 3/4 of squad ready for next flight (if you cycle squads 1,2,3)...so you are not punished at all...mechanism per se is ok...but it does not punish anything....tough for now biggest concern is Haku stealth torpedoes...

[Battleship_USS_Arizona]

5 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

And it's the same for all of us.

 

But there is no point playing something which is totally different and you simply don't enjoy. 

 

Oh, I could carry on and play CV's for the Clan in CB and whatnot, due to the kinda person i am i would probably  get relativity good at it. However, it will never be the same and I will always be saying that.  Like some old drunk propping up the bar in my local pub, remembering about when things were good.

 

I/we cant be stuck in the past and need to move on.  It's a game at the end of the day, there should never be any sentimental feeling for any WG game, ever. 

 

Too many people do tho, like Star Citizen when people have invested so much money in it, they feel like they cant walk away.  Sometimes you gonna take it on the chin and move on. 

 

I could get all sorts of thing with the free XP, like the Alaska, another free XP ship and the Harra with XP to spare.

 

Well, a few weeks left to decide but don't miss the boat if they don't fix it, you will regret IMHO.

Thanks for your advice.

 

To be honest,  I might end up selling both lines to get the free XP and Credits so I can invest in other branches, (such as the German and British battleship lines) or possibly save it for later ships.

[teen_geisha16]

10 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

And it's the same for all of us.

 

But there is no point playing something which is totally different and you simply don't enjoy. 

 

Oh, I could carry on and play CV's for the Clan in CB and whatnot, due to the kinda person i am i would probably  get relativity good at it. However, it will never be the same and I will always be saying that.  Like some old drunk propping up the bar in my local pub, remembering about when things were good.

 

The biggest kickers for me:

 

1) The boring gameplay compared to before.

2) The actual gameplay. It has console written all over it and I'm still down with the Commodore 64 kids.  

3) The lack of tactics is probably the most telling factor with me.

4) No 1 vs 1 CV play anymore.  I really miss that, alot.

5) Lack of Defensive actions and controlling your own CV.

 

I/we cant be stuck in the past and need to move on.  It's a game at the end of the day, there should never be any sentimental feeling for any WG game, ever. 

 

Too many people do tho, like Star Citizen when people have invested so much money in it, they feel like they cant walk away.  Sometimes you gonna take it on the chin and move on. 

 

I could get all sorts of thing with the free XP, like the Alaska, another free XP ship and the Harra with XP to spare.

 

Well, a few weeks left to decide but don't miss the boat if they don't fix it, you will regret IMHO.

I completely agree with you

they have destroyed the line of cvs

[El2aZeR]

Bailout time with F has practically doubled with the hotfix. DPS has also become much more powerful to the point where you will lose squads in seconds even if you dodge against most capital ships.

 

That makes target selection even more crucial than it was in the RTS iteration especially when up-tiered, so be extremely cautious.

[valrond]

Time for me to bail out of the CVs. I tried to make them work after the rework, and when I was getting the hang of it, doing half decent games, comes this "hotfix". Now CVs are basically useless, any ship is better than a CV.

[Reniwn]

I guess 2018 was REALLY the Year of the CVs.

[Gyndur]

I gonna give it a go with full stealth Haku. Dropping from close now is pretty big nope now. 

[Elektroboot]

Stealth haku might be a bit problematic now with the increased aiming time on torp spreads. My performance went down noticeably after the hotfix, they honestly could maybe make the planes have 50% damage reduction or something when F button is pressed, I can't even get my T6 carrier planes to survive if there are two capital ships together or if it's a T8 game. I kinda think the increased time on improving torp spread is too much, I literally can only make one drop, second and third drops require more time for a precise torp strike, time which you cannot afford with the current state of AAs.

[aidenthedestroyer]

 I'm still optimistic, mostly cuz I love many CVs

This CV rework is aimed to improve Battleship players life. Now you can't get blapped anymore, you have to take DoT Damage (Which was also nerfed surprise!). And now with 0.8.1 on the way bringing flood nerfs, you just gotta ask something....is 2019 the year of the BBs?

 

This hotfix, granted I have not been able to play, is probably the biggest shitstorm among CV players after Graf Zeppelin. And all I have done is just see what actually competitive CV players talk about. I don't expect my words to be taken seriously as I still am yet to play my Shoukaku in the new environment, but from what I understand is - 

1) F-Key has been nerfed (I actually like this cuz I abused it a lot with Shoukaku pre hotfix)
2) Hakuryuu has been nerfed (Quite hard too I hear)

3) The IJN Torpedo Bomber gimmick has been thrown out of the window (Being able to aim properly while turning the planes during attack and prepping for attack)

4) IJN torps have been nerfed (RIP Flooding and speed)
5) Tier 8 TT CVs now have 9 rocket planes (Buff for Lexi, Nerf for Shoukaku)

6) AA is cancer (Constant DPS has more effectiveness now)

7) Tier 6/7 ships suck in flak damage (Because of the "Taking away" of 50% of the damage for Constant DPS)

 

So in light of these changes, CVs, though they have infinite hangar reserves, are more useless than an emptied out RTS CV if you lose your planes constantly due to an uptier (Tier 6 and 8 CVs). And you can't even avoid losing planes because either attacking or Pressing F Pay respects lol means the planes go back. However, to go back they need to fly up  into the clouds to be safe, but unfortunately it takes around 7s for that which means your planes become target practice for the AA.

I'm fine with F-key nerfs. I'm fine hearing about TB nerfs, I'm fine hearing about Rocket plane nerfs. But I'm NOT AT ALL fine with you BUFFING AA to an extent where you might aswell attack only DDs in a no DD game rather the actual enemy ships. The fact that the F-key nerf comes WITH the AA buff is what makes it more so retarded. Either nerf AA or bring back the true effectiveness of F-key. This CV rework was meant to be a "Game changer" for the class, bring new players, a new style. It was meant to DoT out enemy ships, but if you're gonna nerf the MAIN ASPECT which is DoT by reducing the flood chance, then why make it worse by letting the planes fall while on escape?! 

WG had their chances. All they needed to do was reduce the flood and burn times from CV torps and bombs, nerf Rocket damage a bit, maybe introduce the F-key nerf and CVs would be fine. But do we really need this? Do we need an all round flood nerf which, mind you, affects Japanese Torp boats the MOST? Do we need a retarded AA buff which is not even well thought out? Well whatever WG wants to do, it's best they do it with the consent of actual CV players rather than all other classes. For now, what else to do but wait. CVs will get a buff once they realise the population drops again. Everything is still in beta till 0.8.2, Least to do is hope now.

sorry for that shitty rant

[DeDromer]

Sold my cv's   

[Redcap375]

Right, which ones to sell 

 

Thinking....Whole IJN line and Sapian tonight.  They have killed the Haka stone dead.

 

Enterprise is different and i like that (AP bombs) and maybe keep the kaga because of the amount of planes.  However, it's not the same. 

 

What do you think chaps?

[Reniwn]

24 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

Right, which ones to sell 

 

Thinking....Whole IJN line and Sapian tonight.  They have killed the Haka stone dead. 

 

Enterprise is different and i like that (AP bombs) and maybe keep the kaga because of the amount of planes.  However, it's not the same. 

 

What do you think chaps?

I have sold all my CVs. I think that it'll be better for myself to start learning them slowly by playing each tier one by one. This way, I have also earned A LOT of free xp (1.5million) to spend on whatever I want to.

Even if new CV experience ends up being fun, i still would like to try the previous carriers. And if devs screw new CVs, well in that case, at least I'll have a good amount of free xp that i can use for my convenience.

Besides, with no skill on new CV gameplay, and that the harshness of AA in TX, I had performed quite terribly. My first game was like 26k dmg and I had gotten myself deplaned in the midgame >.<

 

I don't have premium ones so can't say much about those.

 

[El2aZeR]

I'm keeping all of them so far even if I'm really only playing E and Midway.

You never know what glorious balans decisions WG ends up making next.

[Panocek]

If anything rework made me to rebuy Ranger and Lady Lex, also pre rework I had pleasure of playing Hiryu, despite everything pointing towards her to be stinker. Shokek purchased shortly before 0.8.0 and already halfway through towards Hakuryu

[bobthebretonnian]

Well I just think its dumb what they have done to the AA.  AA was never this effective in WW2.  If it was why did so many ships get hit by kamikazes in the later war years.  If you are going to allow whole sqns get shredded no matter how well you try to dodge AA then it would be an idea to bring back hangar capacity to Cvs and once the planes are gone they are gone.  This would give CVs a strike capability but they have to be wise with the use of their planes I mean ffs midway had 130 hangar capacity for WW2 planes and know where near that now.  You have so heavily nerfed CVs getting a 100K game is an achievement.  

 

For example My respawn time for planes is as follows

 

72 secs for DB = starting 18 + 16 spawned in game total (20 minute game) 34

94 Secs for TB = starting 14 + 12 spawned in game total (20 minute game) 26

78 secs for FB = starting 14 +  15 spawned in game total (20 minute game) 29

 

Theoretically that gives me a total aircraft capacity 89.  41 short of the capacity for the class.  If you are going to gimp CVs then start gimping ships and their ammunition as they can spam shells to the sun goes down.

[Panocek]

8 hours ago, bobthebretonnian said:

Well I just think its dumb what they have done to the AA.  AA was never this effective in WW2.  If it was why did so many ships get hit by kamikazes in the later war years.  If you are going to allow whole sqns get shredded no matter how well you try to dodge AA then it would be an idea to bring back hangar capacity to Cvs and once the planes are gone they are gone.  This would give CVs a strike capability but they have to be wise with the use of their planes I mean ffs midway had 130 hangar capacity for WW2 planes and know where near that now.  You have so heavily nerfed CVs getting a 100K game is an achievement.  

 

For example My respawn time for planes is as follows

 

72 secs for DB = starting 18 + 16 spawned in game total (20 minute game) 34

94 Secs for TB = starting 14 + 12 spawned in game total (20 minute game) 26

78 secs for FB = starting 14 +  15 spawned in game total (20 minute game) 29

 

Theoretically that gives me a total aircraft capacity 89.  41 short of the capacity for the class.  If you are going to gimp CVs then start gimping ships and their ammunition as they can spam shells to the sun goes down.

This is part where "balance" word appears, regardless how it might look through lens of a empty vodka bottle...

[mcboernester]

On 2/18/2019 at 7:47 PM, El2aZeR said:

I'm keeping all of them so far even if I'm really only playing E and Midway.

You never know what glorious balans decisions WG ends up making next.

Pretty much this. 

 

The Way it plays now and how player numbers are developing we have the same Situation as a Month back, just with a different View. To be honest I'm struggling with my Lex winrate on NA right now and being uptiered is like watching a bad horror movie, but Players have the biggest Part here again. Most T8+ Matches for me have a maximum of 2 DDs per Side ( you can also see a DD player drop in Hightier on marplesyrup). So the DD Slots are replaced by Cruisers as you always have 4-5 BBs in your match per side. 

 

Most Games are also very static ( mostly due to permaspotting) , so players will lump together near their Homecap. This is also the biggest Issue for me since I simply "can't fire" while my capital ships can bring in Salvo after Salvo. Yes I'm getting spotting Dmg but it feels very boring .

 

What I'm assuming is that WG will do something about the Dmg when multiple ships just sit in the same spot, maybe a defence buff for your planes  ( read something already but it was ST and therefore -> no further Input)  As it is right now it still feels like you have 1 arm tied up behind your back when you are getting uptiered, but I wouldn't say it's unplayable. Just not as enjoyable as I would like it to be, expecially if you have to waste 5minutes on an isolated BB even if he plays bad since your Damage output just feels very low. 

 

I'll grind my Way up to Tier 10 on NA and see how CVs will develop from here. RN are already around the Corner and from what I understood 0.8.2 was the original Goal to get everything done. For now i still got my saipan / enterprise and i I would like to return them there's still enough time. 

 

 

 

But on a Sidenode, if the CV intigration turns out to be "meh" i'll most likely just quit wows since carriers where what originally got me into the game. would be a shame though 

[El2aZeR]

Well guys, I took Fara's route and fled to the CN client. Check his Discord if you want to know how to do that.

[MRGTB]

So this is goodbye?

[Panocek]

15 hours ago, MRGTB said:

So this is goodbye?

I'm somewhat confident El2aZeR can handle posting on EU forums and playing on CN servers without hiccups you would expect from average player

[bobthebretonnian]

On ‎2‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 6:19 PM, Panocek said:

This is part where "balance" word appears, regardless how it might look through lens of a empty vodka bottle...

Really so its ok for dds, and cruisers and battleships to spam torpedoes and shells as though they no ammunition load but u gimp the one class that effectively won the war at sea.  Yes balance the game but don't make it so one class is gimped to buggery