The CV Captains Cabin

[Pikkozoikum]

48 minutes ago, antean said:

& a whopping 50.8% either disliked or liked some part of the rework. Did, you, Pikkozoikum, not recall that %? Ya, you did cause it contradicts your position on the rework. ROFL.

Not really, the second option was something like "I like it, but would like some changes". It was a general like, not a dislike. So a general like was something around >80%

https://youtu.be/D6e-qpq1Zt8?t=2861

[antean]

6 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

So a general like was something around >80%

As if 'YouTube' conducted a professional poll on a WG product rework? ROFL! Oh look, the WG 'glee club' is 80%+ in favour. LOL. ROFL.

Your attempt to paint an 'in favour' consensus to the rework, Pikkozoikum, is not only a farce, it's false & dishonest.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, antean said:

As if 'YouTube' conducted a professional poll on a WG product rework? ROFL! Oh look, the WG 'glee club' is 80%+ in favour. LOL. ROFL.

Your attempt to paint an 'in favour' consensus to the rework, Pikkozoikum, is not only a farce, it's false & dishonest.

If you want believe that, it's your business. I would go to the chuch, if I want believe in something

 

 

[antean]

9 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

I would go to the chuch, if I want believe in something

I saw it on YouTube, therefore,  I believe it. I heard it in 'chuch', therefore, I believe it.  ROFL. I have these magic beans, Jack, for your cow there.

[El2aZeR]

33 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Not really, the second option was something like "I like it, but would like some changes".

 

Actually the option was called "I like some parts but disliked others." I picked that.

You wanna know what I wrote down under things I liked?

The visuals.

Yes, that's it.

 

I wonder how many other people did the same, because objectively speaking it is rather difficult to say that literally everything about the rework is bad. E.g. unless you're some super graphics enthusiast (at which point you will probably never play this game anyway) the majority of players are at least going to like the visuals. So even if you just like one thing about the rework but abhor everything else, that option is still the objectively correct one to take.

 

And now everyone who did this is being thrown in with people who just liked the rework. Go figure.

[antean]

11 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Actually the option was called "I like some parts but disliked others.

This is what I understood when reading the actual WoWS news release.

54 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

"I like it, but would like some changes"

Somehow, in Pikkozoikum's world, he understood something completely  different (yet you, El2aZeR, & I can understand unambiguous English grammar)

[Pikkozoikum]

5 minutes ago, antean said:

This is what I understood when reading the actual WoWS news release.

Somehow, in Pikkozoikum's world, he understood something completely  different (yet you, El2aZeR, & I can understand unambiguous English grammar)

In my world, I go with facts, and I was indirectly quoting the youtube video.

[antean]

3 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

In my world, I go with facts, and I was indirectly quoting the youtube video.

facts = YouTube? You Tube = facts?  ROFL  Whatever, Pikkozoikum, whatever.

 

6 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

indirectly quoting

really? not 'directly quoting'? how utterly careless & incorrect you are with 'quoting', therefore, your argument is completely without merit.

[mcboernester]

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There is a Point for me to post here. I am not alone in thinking the reworked CV proposal is nothing but a FARCE. I'm not a WG  flunky Zombie. The real question  should be is why you are gratuitously attacking me. I recall no aggression of mine towards you

Just double check your last 20 Posts. Left alone the constant Downvoting of Posts for no real reason ^^ If you just felt uncomfortable about me badmouting you -> Well that's pretty much what you are doing to others here all the time :)  If you change it up here you won't hear anything negative from me either anymore. 

[El2aZeR]

3 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

In my world, I go with facts, and I was indirectly quoting the youtube video.

 

And fact is WG is deliberately misinterpreting their poll to present that their rework concept is received in an overwhelmingly positive light.

Aka they're spouting bull - and in extension, you're spouting bull.

 

I realize now where you're coming from. Really, I do. In software development you basically just pick a goal and just force your way through until you reach it.

That is however NOT how game design works. It isn't even remotely close to how game design works.

[mcboernester]

4 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Not really, the second option was something like "I like it, but would like some changes". It was a general like, not a dislike. So a general like was something around >80%

https://youtu.be/D6e-qpq1Zt8?t=2861

Well they had a ... interesting Way to interpret it. I think it went like " 34% liked it and 50% liked it but have ideas to change it" So basically they said that those 50% who critizise certain Points about the Rework liked it, which is BS ^^ We got a saying for it in Germany " Traue keiner Statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast" 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

There was a player-made poll on Reddit, I'll just leave the results here without any comments ^^

[teen_geisha16]

 

is that anyone with a little discretion sees that the new cvs are garbage

link for vote please?

[Pikkozoikum]

6 hours ago, mcboernester said:

Well they had a ... interesting Way to interpret it. I think it went like " 34% liked it and 50% liked it but have ideas to change it" So basically they said that those 50% who critizise certain Points about the Rework liked it, which is BS ^^ We got a saying for it in Germany " Traue keiner Statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast" 

That's true, but I guess there is still a majority, who likes the rework. And off the 50%, I guess the most people are more about, that there fine with the general idea, but don't like certain things. Best example ist Fara, who has fun with the rework, but don't like the lack of vessel control - such things doesn't make the rework bad. No issues with criticism

[Pikkozoikum]

6 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

There was a player-made poll on Reddit, I'll just leave the results here without any comments ^^

Well, that's something. But 200 is not that much, but beside that, it's also the question, what kind of people are participating there. I mean in this forum are (feeling, guess) around 90% only here for trolling, complaining or boasts.

That's why people think the majority doesn't like the CV, because many people just come to the forum for crying around. People who just okay with that, are rarely coming to a forum for that. It's often a behavior in the forum, that only people comment, who are against something, rarely for something. I notices some people, who always commenting something against others, never like "Hey, great idea, you're right" - never saw that!

 

But I appreciate more data and facts. It's just that I generally like the poll of Wargaming more, because of what I said, and because at the Test are all people, who are interested in the CV, interested to go with it or disagree.

 

And at last point. The question is wrong set. Wargaming mentioned, and we all know, that the balancing is still happening. So the question of "is it better" would suggest, that the unbalanced state have to be better than the RTS after years development. For a fair question would it be, is the reworked beta better than the beta RTS back in the old days? I didn't played there, but a friend told me, that the RTS CV was totally OP at the beginning.

 

The Question should be "Do you like the reworked CV in general?"

[teen_geisha16]

The Question should be "Do you like the reworked CV in general?"

NO.

[antean]

7 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

There was a player-made poll on Reddit, I'll just leave the results here without any comments ^^

LOL. A Reddit poll that is 59% against the CV rework (of the players who responded to this). TY for this gem, Cornflakes.

 

1 hour ago, Pikkozoikum said:

90% only here for trolling, complaining

What a Sleaze comment, Pikkozoikum, characterizing anyone who disagrees with your pro CV rework drivel as 'trolling and/or complaining'.

The one thread that I, personally, counted & categorized the responses,  Pikkozoikum,  it was a good 90% against the rework.

Too bad, Pikkozoikum, that the majority of Forum posters disagree with your opinion on the rework.

You can try to falsify & degrade this fact but this fact remains. 

 

 

[antean]

9 hours ago, mcboernester said:

Left alone the constant Downvoting of Posts for no real reason

I down vote posts I disagree with (for a variety of reasons).  I upvote posts I agree with. I'm an equal opportunity Forum  poster. 

I have even upvoted Pikkozoikum, in the few posts he was, actually, correct or non - trolling, himself.

I  try not to make personal attacks, unlike some (for instance, you, mcboernester). Pretty sad when even a WoWS Wiki Team member stoops to a personal attack.

The Forum emojis allow for down/up voting as well as funny, etc.  If you don't like this function send in a ticket to Customer Support or start a post thread here.

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Best example ist Fara

 

Fara thinks the rework is fundamentally bad. Regardless of what fun he has, he doesn't want it to happen.

He has however resigned himself that the rework is going to happen no matter what he does or what recommendations he gives. He also gives some profound insight to how WG operates, namely that if your opinion doesn't suit their vision of the game they will discard it outright no matter how logical or good for the game it is.

 

You are still spouting bull as always.

[antean]

1 hour ago, Pikkozoikum said:

don't like the lack of vessel control - such things doesn't make the rework bad.

Want to bet? That is just one thing that makes the rework bad. Another bad thing - the one plane squad (instead of up to seven).

Another - even tier CVs only? That's really good (NOT!)

[antean]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Fara thinks the rework is fundamentally bad

Even others, not as well respected or experienced, see the rework for what it really is - a FARCE

5 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

if your opinion doesn't suit their vision of the game they will discard it outright no matter how logical or good for the game it is.

 ….. this is, essentially, the fable of the goose who laid the golden egg.

[teen_geisha16]

 

I think the great majority of cvs players find that this change is so negative for this type of boat

[Pikkozoikum]

3 hours ago, teen_geisha16 said:

 

I think the great majority of cvs players find that this change is so negative for this type of boat

Well, I guess many people are not really thinking, that the rework could develope further and it is already static. But as long as I know in beta and release the RTS CV was op as well. So it just needs time and improvement to fit into the game well

[Pikkozoikum]

 

[antean]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 10:01 AM, Pikkozoikum said:

I guess many people are not really thinking

Correct, you are 'guessing'. Incorrect, these many people are 'thinking'. Too bad, Pikkozoikum, your opinion re: for the CV rework, is in the minority in the Forum comments.