The CV Captains Cabin

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 1 Stunde, ShinGetsu sagte:

Can they still drop smokes by the way ?

In the video these drops are completely manual, so yes, smoke dropping is possible. If it's easier or harder to hit someone invisible with the new system though, we will see.

[Sea_viper]

Basically they just nerf all CV massively and leave CV player with one big bombing squad and a single auto CAP. So everyone plays like the freaking Bouge lol. 

 

To compensate for the very likely scenerio that CV will lose all the bombers because the whole wing is just running in circles around AA bubble while few are actually attacking, they allowed planes count to be unlimited!

 

Yea pilot's life are cheap, tell them to die pointlessly and we can grap more from the peasents! 

 

AA gunners are also more retarded as ever, instead of attacking the planes on the bombing run, the prefer shooting down planes that are doing nothing!

[Sea_viper]

IJN CV was famous for making synchronized TB drops... 

 

USN was famous for DB appearing out of nowhere (after all TB got slaughtered) with freaking heavy bombs...

 

RN never had a big bombing wing, they excel at fighter direction and spotting... 

 

RIP CV

 

[Redcap375]

Well it's here chaps 

 

It's different.....It's defo dumbed down like we all knew it would be. One set of planes that switch ammo types, unlimited planes ect..? 

 

As this thread has always been about levelheaded CV captains points-of-view, What are you all thinking?

 

Even though it's dumbed down, will you enjoy it? I know they still have alot to do but views are always good.

[Bainsmit_steel]

It is consolized version of World of Warplanes...we expected it a long time ago....can it be fun...maybe...will die hard CV captains love it 99% no...but then again they are small minorirty...90% of population is welcoming those changes no matter they sux for us...If nothing those pesky AA divisions will loose on their importance at least a bit.

[El2aZeR]

Looks fun enough for casual play from time to time. Nothing I would do "full time" tho.

Then again WoWs in general isn't something I play primarily anymore anyway.

[gekkehenkie50]

4 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Looks fun enough for casual play from time to time. Nothing I would do "full time" tho.

Then again WoWs in general isn't something I play primarily anymore anyway.

Sums up my opinion (which also goes for my forum activity). I find the whole idea shares something with Warthunder air arcade battles, but with a wing instead of a single aircraft... meh, could be fun. Might still be able to get hideous DoT with multiple flooding drops, while the enemy CV cant bother us much.

[LongJohn_]

On 3.9.2018 at 8:57 PM, ShinGetsu said:

Can they still drop smokes by the way ?

 

Should they not...? Every ship can drop torps into smokes and blindfire stuff they dont see / render. Why CVs shouldnt?

[ShinGetsu]

26 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Should they not...? Every ship can drop torps into smokes and blindfire stuff they dont see / render. Why CVs shouldnt?

Of course they should. My question was specifically : "Do you need to have a target locked to initiate the attack ?"

[Torped1ne]

On 5/9/2018 at 7:30 AM, ShinGetsu said:

Of course they should. My question was specifically : "Do you need to have a target locked to initiate the attack ?"

An automatic attack yes a manual one no

[El2aZeR]

3 hours ago, Torped1ne said:

An automatic attack yes a manual one no

 

Pretty sure the rework doesn't have an auto attack option.

[Cpt_Sagnik]

Last words of a CV player.....

Though this is just my rage i am highlighting, please read the chat in the pics below.

I just want you to react to this post.

 

..Do you really think that WR is the ultimate basis of evaluation?

..Do you really think CV should be blamed for the loss of a team if the opponent CV is a pro?

..Do you think a guy with 47% wr cannot play a CV?

..And do you really think only a guy with 70+ is qualified to play a CV?

 

I ranked 2nd in the score table of which i dont have a screenshot. 2nd with just 80K dmg, so what did my team do? Yet i got reported by 5 people out of 7.

They personal messaged me about how i lost them their game and couldn't do crap because the enemy CV attacked them them and what not.

I gave them the utmost cover i could by killing 50 planes. Their Zao had defensive & Montana killed majority of my planes.  

 

 

Yeah. CV should be changed so these players don't get a chance to complain.

 

 

PS : Please don't reply saying that just increase your stats to avoid these situations. I just felt like highlighting it. Don't make this game a GEEKY GAME.

 

The first 4 pics...he wrote it out of the blue not even a minute into the game...

 

 

[Redcap375]

@Cpt_Sagnik......

 

Being a CV captain will always incur the wrath of the gods.  

 

We/you are expected to do everything humanly possible to help your team and for most, this is extremely hard.   Spotting, Sinking enemy ship, keeping the enemy off your own ship and so on and so forth.

 

IMHO my following observations:

 

Yam player for a start

 

1) He a Yam player with no, and i mean no AA spec skills what-so-ever (his max planes kills 9).  Hes a floating brick and even with a good torp belt that the Yam has, 2 x 6 sets of tier 8 Torp planes are going to hurt. He went for a pure tank build.

 

He took a chance that many many players do in this game yet rage when things don't go their way.  He failed to invest any points into AA skils, Flags, upgrades or mods at all. So he knew as soon as the battle scene came up and seen an enemy CV he was in trouble.  His only form of defence was either his team surface team mates or the CV player (you).

 

So not only do you have to look after a Kur as it's a prime target for AP bombs but now the Yam too.   If they are spread apart then that job is very difficult.  Not including the rest like spotting, supporting DD's ect....

 

MOST players who play this game think about themselves and even though it should be technically more of a team game than randoms, it's not as people fight to keep their starts like vultures. 

It's a shame that you haven't got the replay as i would love to see what your friendly Worcester did and how he helped with the "plane problem".  My guess if they he played his own game and streamed off to find the nearest Hill to fire behind. Leaving both BB's. 

 

CV MM

 

2) The first thing you see as a CV player is the AA capability of both sides.  You had a enemy Montana (best AA of tier 10 BBs) and a Republic which can be brutal regarding AA (all those 100 mm).  On your team you had a Kur and Yam....Hummmm, bit one sided.

 

I know which 2 BBs I would of picked if i had the option and it wasn't your team .  Yams are nearly always Spec for tank builds and guess what? So are Kur's...Monty is normally a bit of both and so is the Republic, more muti role ships.  So even stock with no AA skills at all, the enemy BB's had ALOT better AA then your team did.

 

I would have stated that at the start and asked them to bear with me.  

 

Zao's go from being an alright target (manageable) to being AA monsters.  Defensive AA and AFT makes a huge difference and if the enemy team has 2 AA spec Zao's then good luck.  Press that button within 4.5-5 km and watch your tier 8 planes drop like flies. 

 

Your only saving grace ship is the Worcester.  Hands down the best DPM AA of tier 10 cruisers with defensive AA.  But if hes a solo player and doesn't play his support role then hes about as good as T*** on a fish.

 

So......Your team SHOULD know what you are up against and take that into account.  It''s not a Kaga in a tier 5 games, it's tier 8 planes in a tier 10 game.  

 

Lack of empathy 

 

3) He has no games played in a CV Well, i didn't see that one coming (joke).

 

Another example of someone that doesn't know what it's like to be a CV player. If he did then he wouldn't be sending you that drivel. 

 

He also knows what AA can do to a CV player as his Mino has 71 planes killed. Wow.

 

Sore loser

 

4) He also probably a sore loser.  He could be both frustrated with the team and himself and those that arnt very good at controlling their emotions see red regardless and flame.  Even if it isn't warranted. 

 

Ranked is a stressful business and those that really really want to get to rank one become so enveloped in the whole thing. He might just has been letting off steam and you, the CV player, is a prime target of criticism.  We always will be hence the rework.

 

Full of S***

 

5) Not only did he say he plays CV (He certainly doesn't) but he hasn't got a WR of 70+ but 65+.  Hardly a creditable chap is he.

 

Summary

 

Shame you haven't got the after battle report. I can see that the enemy CV got 2 kills in, can i ask how?  You could kill all the planes in the world but if the stars are aliened for the enemy CV and those AP bombers found their way to your Kur and/or torp bombers then alot of good work comes to nothing. The Zao can go from full to nothing with AP bombs around (deck armour).  But that is the life of a CV captain.  I have killed SIX ships before and still lost in a CV.

 

You butchered 54 planes, sunk a ship and managed to get quite a few hits in against mostly heavy AA ships.  So i wouldn't worry about it at all mate.  His comment about keeping his star summed it up really.  HE'S A FOR HIMSELF KINDA PLAYER.

 

..Do you really think that WR is the ultimate basis of evaluation?

NO, and i have said this in many threads.  Too many factors involved to base WR off.  LIke OP premium ships, class favorites, grinding other lines and unicum divs.

..Do you really think CV should be blamed for the loss of a team if the opponent CV is a pro?

NO, but you need to feel comfortable in a CV. If you think your not that good in a CV or still learning then ranked battles is not the place to "get gud". Too much at stake for some players and Cv's are influential in small games like ranked. Not worth the hassle that you received in that example. 

..Do you think a guy with 47% wr cannot play a CV?

NO, but like my comment above, maybe Ranked is not the place for 47% WR CV's.  Just saying.

..And do you really think only a guy with 70+ is qualified to play a CV?

NO, take myself with a 58% WR for example.  We will never learn if only guys with high WR play CV's.

[Redcap375]

Oh and well done for keeping cool in chat.  A true CV player.

[El2aZeR]

22 hours ago, Cpt_Sagnik said:

Yeah. CV should be changed so these players don't get a chance to complain.

 

If anything people will complain even more after the rework because then you will be quite literally incapable of helping the team more often than not.

I can see it coming already.

"OMG CV SPOT!"

"Dude, I only have one squad."
"LOL NOOB CV REPORT!"

[aidenthedestroyer]

I have seen what theyve done with the US CVs and AA, and in all honesty, it looks good. Though Im still waiting to see what they're doing for the Japanese CVs (They have to be hatching something different for them, maybe 4 planes instead of 3 when attacking, who knows) since Im mainly after them (and cuz I have Houshou, Hiryuu and Shoukek waiting).

The one good thing I CAN say is that theyve finally fixed the thing where a Jap CV with 222 would absolutely rek a 112 Lexi/Ranger. (Thats just really annoying). As well as lowering the skill ceiling quite a bit, so now people will have to work on Torpedo drops and Bombing. From what I saw in the Co-Op preview, Rockets will be, imo the easiest to aim and Dive bombers the hardest (atleast, that RNG sucks.). But what i DID find out was that Bombers carry more than one bomb, so instead of expecting to hit 3 bombs, you can hit 6 (provided if RNG likes you/enemy is braindead). Eitherways, so far so good, no more blapping targets like how we have it now .

But ofc, the main thing, that I.....dislike somewhat is that some players can pretty much be brave and try to CV snipe, albeit its not gonna be of any use, its still an option. The fact fighters I think spawn at your squadron rather than take off from the carrier is also a minus in this case, but considering that you would actually have to spend time flying your planes along the border or smthn to the enemy CV just to deal maybe half his HP of damage? I could say they've eliminated CV sniping, but its still not out of question. Any noob can try that. (Not to mention you cant control your CV other than autopilot so far lol). The removal of Fighter control is, well not really much of an issue considering fighters are what actually made the skill ceiling high imo. 

(Im quite late for this lol)

 

[pra3y]

I thought I'll pop by to say hi and ask if you guys came across a bug where your fighters get shredded 1 by 1 by nothing? 

 

I had a game recently where i was sunk but before I died I tagged my fighter to an allied DD. Said fighter was flying around the DD and just melted. I can gurantee that there were no enemy ships around and im pretty sure there were no enemy fighters. Seem too fast for the fighter to run out of fuel though it may be it.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 2 Minuten, pra3y sagte:

I thought I'll pop by to say hi and ask if you guys came across a bug where your fighters get shredded 1 by 1 by nothing? 

 

I had a game recently where i was sunk but before I died I tagged my fighter to an allied DD. Said fighter was flying around the DD and just melted. I can gurantee that there were no enemy ships around and im pretty sure there were no enemy fighters. Seem too fast for the fighter to run out of fuel though it may be it.

You know the drill, post a replay

[pra3y]

15 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

You know the drill, post a replay

 

Aye at work now. Will do so when im home.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 25 Minuten, pra3y sagte:

 

Aye at work now. Will do so when im home.

Wait, that's not how it works.

You have to bring some kind of excuse why your replays mysteriously won't work.

[El2aZeR]

57 minutes ago, pra3y said:

I thought I'll pop by to say hi and ask if you guys came across a bug where your fighters get shredded 1 by 1 by nothing?

 

It's an incredibly old bug, but there used to be one where you could lose your fighters one by one to literally nothing.

It got fixed tho.

[pra3y]

23 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Wait, that's not how it works.

You have to bring some kind of excuse why your replays mysteriously won't work.

My excuse for today is after being in the office for 12 hrs and having had only 1/2 between Sun to Mon I went home knocked out 

 

Today for sure 

[pra3y]

23 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

It's an incredibly old bug, but there used to be one where you could lose your fighters one by one to literally nothing.

It got fixed tho.

Il post the replay and maybe u guys can have a look. 

[pra3y]

Here is the replay guys. Fast forward to 1 min remaining on the clock. I had another look at it and it seems way to fast to be a dogfight imo. Also we won with 1 sec left on the clock x)

 

20180924_000656_PJSA507-Kaga_15_NE_north.wowsreplay

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 55 Minuten, pra3y sagte:

Here is the replay guys. Fast forward to 1 min remaining on the clock. I had another look at it and it seems way to fast to be a dogfight imo. Also we won with 1 sec left on the clock x)

 

20180924_000656_PJSA507-Kaga_15_NE_north.wowsreplay

Hm, the speed seems ok. I mean, it's just one Kaga squad ^^

But it is strange that I couldn't see the enemy squad in the replay.