The CV Captains Cabin

[LongJohn_]

4 minutes ago, pra3y said:

 

Have not seen any strike captains complaining on the eng forum at least. Well not engh to have an impression.

 

Not much diff for me tb for the tb. At least they don't feel that papery. But im also on the memeway now. 2 TBs ftw 

 

You have skipped me. I've been complaining whole time. Or was until I sold the ship. 

 

Second squad makes huge difference. You can focusfire one and other gets unharmed through. 

[pra3y]

5 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

You have skipped me. I've been complaining whole time. Or was until I sold the ship. 

 

Second squad makes huge difference. You can focusfire one and other gets unharmed through. 

 

 

Was referring to the tier. But on 2 TB squad, so far its either i lose a few planes or lose everything lol. It makes a huge difference but still feels like a hit or miss thing.

 

 

[aidenthedestroyer]

17 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Two fighter squads just give you so much more flexibility and air control,

True, but now you would be seeing AS Taihous and Hakuryuus since this major CV fighter buff (to US) imo will make them take AS. Taihou dosent lose much from AS, same for Haku, since both have 2 TBs. 3x5 makes 15 fighters from Taihou vs 14 from Essex, sure tiers are different but Midways the real deal.... okay Taihou AS isnt an important requirement since a good player can outplay one in Essex(Probably). but still, I feel Jap CVs at tier 10 just lose the air vs Midway... And also damage now since Midway has double the cancer and AP....

 

[aidenthedestroyer]

17 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

Ship sold and saving up for Midway. 

HUH... Shoukaku.... nuuuu. vs Lexi, Shoukaku will still be queen imo... but im a Jap CV player so...

17 hours ago, pra3y said:

Was referring to the tier. But on 2 TB squad, so far its either i lose a few planes or lose everything lol. It makes a huge difference but still feels like a hit or miss thing.

Very True, those downtiered TBs.... but then again you have the Hangar a size of a city in high tier US CVs....

 

[pra3y]

14 minutes ago, aidenthedestroyer said:

Very True, those downtiered TBs.... but then again you have the Hangar a size of a city in high tier US CVs....

 

 

2 games so far and I think I use up most of my planes lol 

[El2aZeR]

I'm honestly tempted to use AP bombs right now...

 

I mean, yeah, HE bombs do provide me with more flexibility and potential damage as I have proven previously, but I hate the high RNG factor. With AP bombs I can at least get all 14 bombs on target every time, guaranteeing me decent damage.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Sigh, lost a game in a Kaga vs a very high skilled Kaga player who would have beaten down most.

 

Amusing how non CV players blame you for losses even though I took the guy out to 20 mins and didn't get stripped of my deck until the last few mins. Apparently I should learn in Co Op? I might have been a bit rude back as they were BB playing children. Plus it was actually an enemy Flint that hard carried by camping middle islands creating a no fly zone but again, the team were too dense to see that and expected me to suicide planes.

 

Life of a CV...

[pra3y]

7 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Life of a CV...

I on the otherhand witnessed a miracle. Was playing my Midway on Mountain Range on Sunday and we lost the game because most of the team were too spread out and I had to focus on my fighters providing cover across the map and the enemy ships were stacked together so most strikes failed. Got blamed by a teammate for being a worse CV player than the enemy CV. I only had time to tell him to look at how many planes i shot down when the result screens are out. Karma went down by 1 btw. Shortly after i received a pm from the same player apologising for snapping and giving me a +1 back cause he realised by me shooting down 54 planes and making the enemy CV come bottom half of his team I had done my job, well at least part of it. Said the weekend was making him go nuts and he owes me another +1 the next time i meet him.

 

#miracle

[Guillotine]

Havent seen poin on AS Taiho, essex has downtiered planes wich makes them vumerable to strafes.

 

I run the strike and only issues i see are massive AA unbalance.

 

Lexi seems fun, consistant and only thing that gives issues are TX games.

Best so far as lexi 200k dmg and loss.

[aidenthedestroyer]

8 hours ago, Guillotine said:

Havent seen poin on AS Taiho, essex has downtiered planes wich makes them vumerable to strafes.

 

I run the strike and only issues i see are massive AA unbalance.

 

Lexi seems fun, consistant and only thing that gives issues are TX games.

Best so far as lexi 200k dmg and loss.

AP bombs or HE bombs, Im a Lexi starter Ive got the fighters and TBs upgraded and Im thinking bout going for the HE bombs for DoT and DD strike capabilities.

[El2aZeR]

9 hours ago, aidenthedestroyer said:

AP bombs or HE bombs, Im a Lexi starter Ive got the fighters and TBs upgraded and Im thinking bout going for the HE bombs for DoT and DD strike capabilities.

 

AP bombs are perfectly viable for Lex as she has plenty of ships vulnerable to them in her MM spread. In fact, I'd recommend them.

For Essex HE bombs are superior. Midway can technically speaking take AP bombs as a dedicated anti-cruiser weapon, but HE bombs offer more versatility.

[aidenthedestroyer]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

AP bombs are perfectly viable for Lex as she has plenty of ships vulnerable to them in her MM spread. In fact, I'd recommend them.

For Essex HE bombs are superior. Midway can technically speaking take AP bombs as a dedicated anti-cruiser weapon, but HE bombs offer more versatility.

Ill think about it thnx. tbf, my reasoning with HE bombs is so that I can be usefull as Anti DD in tier 10 MM....

[El2aZeR]

16 minutes ago, aidenthedestroyer said:

Ill think about it thnx. tbf, my reasoning with HE bombs is so that I can be usefull as Anti DD in tier 10 MM....

 

With a bit of practice you can reliably hit DDs with your single TB squad. Won't kill them though unless said DD is really stupid.

[aidenthedestroyer]

15 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

With a bit of practice you can reliably hit DDs with your single TB squad. Won't kill them though unless said DD is really stupid.

I know, they literally tank 2 Torp hits.....

[MadGunna]

Man I keep switching back and forth between AP bombs and HE bombs on the Lexington. It's so nice to be able to land consistent hits on BB's and cruisers, but the damage drops off so sharply against DD's that I find myself longing for the wallop of the HE bombs and their delicious fire-starting abilities.

 

Side note, holy crap it's easy to get to rank 10 or so with the Lexington. The goal was rank 15 for the special flag, but if this keeps up I might just go for as high as possible. Does anyone know at what point the Shokaku players get so good no amount of skill with the Lex allows for parity?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

AP Bombs are comical and troll everyone's most hated class 

 

Seeing Tirp players type "what just happened?!..." when u nuke them doesn't get old!

 

2 hours ago, MadGunna said:

Man I keep switching back and forth between AP bombs and HE bombs on the Lexington. It's so nice to be able to land consistent hits on BB's and cruisers, but the damage drops off so sharply against DD's that I find myself longing for the wallop of the HE bombs and their delicious fire-starting abilities.

 

Side note, holy crap it's easy to get to rank 10 or so with the Lexington. The goal was rank 15 for the special flag, but if this keeps up I might just go for as high as possible. Does anyone know at what point the Shokaku players get so good no amount of skill with the Lex allows for parity?

 

You'll probably be ok all the way up to Rank 6. Ranked standard of play is not amazing 

[AegeanPirate_]

15.01.2018 saat 23:17'de, MadGunna dedi:

Man I keep switching back and forth between AP bombs and HE bombs on the Lexington. It's so nice to be able to land consistent hits on BB's and cruisers, but the damage drops off so sharply against DD's that I find myself longing for the wallop of the HE bombs and their delicious fire-starting abilities.

 

 

Maybe AP is not recommanded for Midway but Lexington. Because there are a looooot Bismarck's and Tirpitz. Also, if mm puts you in T6 & T7 mm, you can take out germans and japans too. Well, maybe AP's are not hitting very well to DD's. But you can *hit* atleast. HE bombs are have huge drop area compared to AP's. If you think RNG loves you, go for HE. Besides putting fire, you can also rape their AA's.

[Redcap375]

On 06/01/2018 at 6:45 PM, El2aZeR said:

Just played my first game in an Essex.

Dunno why everyone is hating on the 2/1/2. It's a great loadout imo only held back by the ridiculously long service times tech tree USN CVs in general suffer from. Had no problems at all with the T8 fighters everyone is complaining about either.

 

I've had more close matches against the Essex now in the Tahio than before i can tell you that.  I think its changed for the better.  That extra fighter makes a HUGE difference if played correctly.  

 

The Lexington change? Not lost one game against her yet   rank or random.   But the AP bombs make her better either way as the amount of Bis/Tirps knocking around is still high.

 

But I've not brought the Essex back yet since the change (only had one game in it ages ago then thought "no thanks, back to the Tahio").  But the Midway is my new goal (2 torps bombers???? tier 8 be dammed, that's dd killing power), so back to the Essex i suppose 

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

back to the Essex i suppose

 

After playing her for quite a while, I have to conclude she's kinda an exercise in frustration. Her strike potential is by no means bad but it's far too reliant on RNGesus to give you big numbers. Trying to split her strike to attack different targets usually ends up with her TBs massacred, causing her to be a lot more inflexible than Taiho. Combine that with the ridiculous service times USN CVs suffer from and I'd say Taiho is still superior along with being more enjoyable to play.

That said, her fighters are superb, though. Their only fault is the longer strafe path USN fighters in general have, making them liable to get counterstrafed on a dodge (though I have so far only encountered a single player who was capable of doing so).

Essex is closer to be on par with Taiho, but she's sadly not quite there yet.

 

Tbh I found Lexington more enjoyable to play weirdly enough, but it may just have to do with popping same or lower tier BBs left and right via AP DBs. 

[MrPiggi]

Ok so I haven't been able to read through all 59 pages, but was wondering for some help/advice. 

 

I am an avid CV fan (used to whore NavyField back in the (distant) days), but I've always struggled a little (a lot) in WoWS. I recently thought I'd try my hand at it again, and I have a Ryujo and a Indi. I am in no means a great player, and I am learning a lot about the "meta" and today's useful strategies etc so whilst I am not the most confident CV player right now, eventually I'll get there (I hope).

 

My question(s) revolves mainly around the tier 8-10 mark, since that is what I see as the "endgame" with the most content/fun. Right now, I feel more comfortable in the Indi - mainly because my planes do not feel they are made from paper. I feel a lot more successful with the indi but when I look at my numbers, I seem to be a lot more successful/damaging when I'm in my Ryujo - I'm guessing this is because of the 4 strike squads. But that said, when I am in the Ryujo, I hate that my planes die >very< quickly to AA (or at least, it feels like that) and fighters (although this i understand and is avoidable). I wanted to gauge peoples opinions on what are tier 8+ issues for IJN/USN CVs. 

 

From what I've gathered so far, IJN have paper planes you can spam much faster and for longer. They will die quickly, but you will get more chances at strikes. USN seem to be a much more calculated nation. You cannot rotate your squads as fast, so every strike matters and you have to wait for an opening/opportunity rather than charge in with your horde and release your munitions. But your planes seem to just feel higher quality and they survive for longer. Is this reflected in tier 8-10? Or am I totally off the ball here.

 

I'm also interested in what people would consider comes out on top in a skill vs skill battle. If two greatly skilled opponents face eachother in an IJN vs USN CV battle (t8+) - is there one that will naturally have an advantage simply due to the nation they are using? The general gist I'm getting from reading this thread, is that tier 8 and 9 belongs to IJN (when it comes to skilled players), and tier 10 belongs heavily to the Midway. 

 

All in all, I want to "focus" on one CV line until I reach tier 10 - I need some guidance on which one to choose (as a first line). Obviously I'm not expecting you guys to >know< what is best for me, but hopefully just providing some intel and info based on your experiences will help give me a better idea on where I'll find the most success/enjoyment.

 

Thanks in advance xo

Piggi

[aidenthedestroyer]

4 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

Ok so I haven't been able to read through all 59 pages, but was wondering for some help/advice. 

Who can anyways? 

5 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

I am an avid CV fan (used to whore NavyField back in the (distant) days), but I've always struggled a little (a lot) in WoWS. I recently thought I'd try my hand at it again, and I have a Ryujo and a Indi. I am in no means a great player, and I am learning a lot about the "meta" and today's useful strategies etc so whilst I am not the most confident CV player right now, eventually I'll get there (I hope).

We all are here, Im a somewhat specialist in the Japanese CVs, Im at Shoukaku and latest addition Lexington, Since you have Ryuujou and Independence, I recommend you check videos on how to use "alt" or Strafes and autodrops.

6 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

My question(s) revolves mainly around the tier 8-10 mark, since that is what I see as the "endgame" with the most content/fun. Right now, I feel more comfortable in the Indi - mainly because my planes do not feel they are made from paper. I feel a lot more successful with the indi but when I look at my numbers, I seem to be a lot more successful/damaging when I'm in my Ryujo - I'm guessing this is because of the 4 strike squads. But that said, when I am in the Ryujo, I hate that my planes die >very< quickly to AA (or at least, it feels like that) and fighters (although this i understand and is avoidable). I wanted to gauge peoples opinions on what are tier 8+ issues for IJN/USN CVs. 

Tier 8 CVs let me tell you right of the bat, theyre so bad when stock, and stock tier 6/7 (Jap) planes vs Tier 10 AA? No way. But nonetheless, Shoukaku and Lexi, once fully upgraded are really strong in the right hands. Independence is an all round good ship, good hangar, and strong planes. Im sure you know about the 4 point commander skill "Air Supremacy"? Thats REALLY important for EVERY CV tier 6 on. Ryuujou has a far bigger hangar, and better strike capabilities vs Indy. If you have AS skill with her and know how to alt, you shud do good in her. as far as planes going down easily, well all CVs suffer that, its only noticeable on IJN CVs due to their smaller squads.

10 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

From what I've gathered so far, IJN have paper planes you can spam much faster and for longer. They will die quickly, but you will get more chances at strikes. USN seem to be a much more calculated nation. You cannot rotate your squads as fast, so every strike matters and you have to wait for an opening/opportunity rather than charge in with your horde and release your munitions. But your planes seem to just feel higher quality and they survive for longer. Is this reflected in tier 8-10? Or am I totally off the ball here.

True, IJN planes arent paper, theyre just as strong as USN ones, only in smaller squads. Again Air Supremacy skill VERY IMPORTANT. IJN planes are also VERY good at cross dropping, etc, but the others shall teach you that.

11 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

m also interested in what people would consider comes out on top in a skill vs skill battle. If two greatly skilled opponents face eachother in an IJN vs USN CV battle (t8+) - is there one that will naturally have an advantage simply due to the nation they are using? The general gist I'm getting from reading this thread, is that tier 8 and 9 belongs to IJN (when it comes to skilled players), and tier 10 belongs heavily to the Midway. 

Somewhat but dont think bout tier 8-10 just yet since its a bad tier range imo 

12 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

All in all, I want to "focus" on one CV line until I reach tier 10 - I need some guidance on which one to choose (as a first line). Obviously I'm not expecting you guys to >know< what is best for me, but hopefully just providing some intel and info based on your experiences will help give me a better idea on where I'll find the most success/enjoyment.

If youre not to well versed via plane control and hangar management, I recommend teh USN CVs for you. Their bigger Hangars allow for mistakes, IJN, not so much.

[El2aZeR]

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

From what I've gathered so far, IJN have paper planes you can spam much faster and for longer. They will die quickly, but you will get more chances at strikes. USN seem to be a much more calculated nation. You cannot rotate your squads as fast, so every strike matters and you have to wait for an opening/opportunity rather than charge in with your horde and release your munitions. But your planes seem to just feel higher quality and they survive for longer. Is this reflected in tier 8-10? Or am I totally off the ball here.

 

This is actually a common misconception. If you look at the health values you'll see that IJN and USN sport almost the same numbers. Single USN squads are more survivable because they have numbers, nothing more. When attacking the same target you can expect to take largely the same losses. Losses are just more noticeable on IJN CVs because you have more squads to begin with.

Hiryu perpetuates this notion because she has T6 TBs. This also isn't true at T9-10 anymore because both Midway and Essex get T8 TBs which are much more susceptible to AA fire.

 

12 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

I'm also interested in what people would consider comes out on top in a skill vs skill battle. If two greatly skilled opponents face eachother in an IJN vs USN CV battle (t8+) - is there one that will naturally have an advantage simply due to the nation they are using? The general gist I'm getting from reading this thread, is that tier 8 and 9 belongs to IJN (when it comes to skilled players), and tier 10 belongs heavily to the Midway. 

 

Midway gets a slight edge in fighter control since she does have better fighters, however there are still plenty of ways around that for a Haku.

On any tier CV vs CV fights do largely come down to skill, but if you were to assume that both players are equally skilled it is the way you describe, but then it also largely comes down to how good the respective teams are and how much they're willing to support their CVs.

[MrPiggi]

First of all - highly appreciate the responses :D

 

Second of all, your explanation that the planes are (basically) as sturdy as eachother on both sides, but IJN "feels" less so because of the smaller squads, REALLY has given me a confidence boost in playing IJN more. I have AS on my USN commander but not on my IJN so that might also contribute to my discontent to playing with them at the minute. 

 

I am not the best at Alt striking (especially at slightly longer distances) but I am getting better very fast. One difference that was not around when I first started CV's on WoWS was the AP bombers for USN. This was another reason why I was leaning towards going down the USN lines since I read around here that they can do significant damage to cruisers. Even on the indi, I feel like I do decent damage with my DBs but on IJN my DBs feel kinda useless - is this reflected on the higher tiers? Or am I just sucking at picking the right targets at the moment (something I'm getting better at with experience but still lacking atm since there are like double the ships there were when I last played properly lol)

[aidenthedestroyer]

5 minutes ago, MrPiggi said:

First of all - highly appreciate the responses :D

 

Second of all, your explanation that the planes are (basically) as sturdy as eachother on both sides, but IJN "feels" less so because of the smaller squads, REALLY has given me a confidence boost in playing IJN more. I have AS on my USN commander but not on my IJN so that might also contribute to my discontent to playing with them at the minute. 

 

I am not the best at Alt striking (especially at slightly longer distances) but I am getting better very fast. One difference that was not around when I first started CV's on WoWS was the AP bombers for USN. This was another reason why I was leaning towards going down the USN lines since I read around here that they can do significant damage to cruisers. Even on the indi, I feel like I do decent damage with my DBs but on IJN my DBs feel kinda useless - is this reflected on the higher tiers? Or am I just sucking at picking the right targets at the moment (something I'm getting better at with experience but still lacking atm since there are like double the ships there were when I last played properly lol)

No prob

But the thing is about DBs.... 

AP bombs start ONLY at tier 8 for USN CVs

They else have HE Bombs which have a LARGE drop radius, but deal a WHOLE ton of Damage if you hit properly. IJN DBs, because they are smaller in squads, they are very much accurate, but their smaller bombs deal lesser damage, but their planes, AFTER strike are very fast so they can spot for a while too. But remember, this only fits for DBs not TBs. Torpedo Bombers are your most important planes.

AP Bombs on USN CVs deal HIGH amounts of damage to Especially GERMAN BBs. About cruiser, I hear only autodrops deal good damage. But youll get better at teh game, alting etc. If you have problems with strafes or manual drops, ask @El2aZeR or @pra3y. Im just an average player. I could help with IJN CVs, but still recommend you ask the others.

[aidenthedestroyer]

27 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

1000pd Bombs HE in a nutshell