The CV Captains Cabin

[RUSSIANBlAS]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Afaik he could wipe one of your squads even in a head on strafe pass, but if you're adept at dodging... Yeah, there is little he can do.

 

Imo all T7+ USN CVs should've gotten an extra fighter squad but a reduction in squad size by one (needless to say it'd do away with the up/down-tiering nonsense, too). They should've also kept the unified deck DB heavy instead of down-tiering Essex/Midway TBs and giving the latter two of them. Basically

Ranger/Lex - 2/1/2

Essex/Midway - 2/1/3

Then reduce service times a bit and make DBs a bit more skillful to use (earlier you lock = more accurate for example) and voila, problem solved. It's not like the 1000lb HE bombs lack damage after all.

 

But I guess one less fighter but two squads would've encroached too much on Big E's territory, so they didn't go with it.

Though that could've technically speaking been solved by giving E an extra fighter per squad.

Or just straight up another fighter squad since she has the reserves to support it, making her the most hilarious CV tier for tier. 

 

The USN deck rework has made USN CVs more viable but they're still weaker vs equal skill IJN players. In that respect nothing has changed although I do find Lex far more comfortable to play now. 1 fighter forces you to play defensive unless you want to risk leaving someone exposed.

 

Hmm arguably Kaga,Saipan and Enterprise are p2w as they're all stronger than their Silver tech tree counter parts. Possibly Hiryu is on par with Kaga but the Prem ship has a massive hanger so will get the edge if the game carries on in a somewhat equal format.

[El2aZeR]

6 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Possibly Hiryu is on par with Kaga but the Prem ship has a massive hanger so will get the edge if the game carries on in a somewhat equal format.

 

Honestly I had no problems at all fighting Kaga in a Hiryu. Even halfway decent fighter micro will ensure you air superiority, at that point it's a cakewalk to deny strikes.

[pra3y]

Well, I finally got my first tier 10 CV, after thousands of game 

 

 

And the next one will be soon 

 

PS: Holy crap are they expensive 

 

PSS: Now I have to deal with AS Hakus  Shouldn't have bought this and sold my Taiho.

[Favuz]

Thing that baffles me the most is that you have to grind or freexp planes and loadout even in tier X with CV.

 

While Shima torps or GK guns are different but not straight up better, a tier X cv with stock planes is worse than an upgraded one. Not different, just worse.

 

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Do you guys always take fighter HP and damage modules?

 

I do as Fighters are often all that stands between you or your team getting farmed. Even the slightest thing that makes them better helps. Faster rearm feels so much less effective a few less seconds getting your planes out there makes little difference in reality.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Yes, fighter power > everything else.

[pra3y]

20 hours ago, Favuz said:

Thing that baffles me the most is that you have to grind or freexp planes and loadout even in tier X with CV.

 

While Shima torps or GK guns are different but not straight up better, a tier X cv with stock planes is worse than an upgraded one. Not different, just worse.

 

 

 

Haku's still not that bad given the fact that you can stack your planes to ensure their survivability but mid-tier CVs (tier 6 to 8) suffer greatly from it I feel. Perhaps WG wants you to spend free xp to unlock them. 

[pra3y]

17 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Do you guys always take fighter HP and damage modules?

 

I do as Fighters are often all that stands between you or your team getting farmed. Even the slightest thing that makes them better helps. Faster rearm feels so much less effective a few less seconds getting your planes out there makes little difference in reality.

 

Fighter. Don't think I've ever taken the reload mod since I feel the same as you, it makes very little difference. Better fighters would be better since you'll have better air control.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

2 hours ago, pra3y said:

 

Haku's still not that bad given the fact that you can stack your planes to ensure their survivability but mid-tier CVs (tier 6 to 8) suffer greatly from it I feel. Perhaps WG wants you to spend free xp to unlock them. 

I spend Free XP on important modules for my own sanity these days!

 

CVs are hard enough without having your hands tied by stock planes etc

[pra3y]

23 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

I spend Free XP on important modules for my own sanity these days!

 

CVs are hard enough without having your hands tied by stock planes etc

 

Taiho I free xped the 2/3/2 mod as well as fighter and TB upgrade. Didn't upgrade DB at all. Haku I got the fighter and Tb upgrade as well but I'll grind the rest. I guess it depends on what you want to do to be honest. With IJN CVs I'm not very concerned with the DB at all so I usually fine with them being stock as compared to the fighters or TB or mod. With USN CVs previously, I got the fighter and DB upgrade but not the TB since the DBs are more important to me for USN.

[aidenthedestroyer]

I think all old USN CV AS players are moping at the loss of their beloved AS Flight Decks. Ive seen SO MANY AS Hiryuus against me in Ranger. And the number of Saipans has also increased suddenly. Its either people grinding out commander points or again, using AS. But have all the weekend teams come over so early? SO MANY DAMN LOSSES!!! (I cant make Pepsi Cola do her best)

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 2 Minuten, aidenthedestroyer sagte:

I think all old USN CV AS players are moping at the loss of their beloved AS Flight Decks.

Hell, no. I couldn't be more happier about this change

Now we just need to get rid of IJN AS setups.

[aidenthedestroyer]

Just now, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Hell, no. I couldn't be more happier about this change

Now we just need to get rid of IJN AS setups.

Same here, but there are people who used to grind out using AS decks...... 

[Malim0o]

7 hours ago, pra3y said:

 

Taiho I free xped the 2/3/2 mod as well as fighter and TB upgrade. Didn't upgrade DB at all. Haku I got the fighter and Tb upgrade as well but I'll grind the rest. I guess it depends on what you want to do to be honest. With IJN CVs I'm not very concerned with the DB at all so I usually fine with them being stock as compared to the fighters or TB or mod. With USN CVs previously, I got the fighter and DB upgrade but not the TB since the DBs are more important to me for USN.

 

Hum for me DB are important on both line(ijn/usa)

You can force some Dcp with them and use your TB for some flood.

 

[pra3y]

4 minutes ago, malimoo said:

 

Hum for me DB are important on both line(ijn/usa)

You can force some Dcp with them and use your TB for some flood.

 

 

True. It's just that for me those 1000 pd USN HE bombs are more important I guess. IJN ones are just kinda meh. Not saying they can't do anything, but after playing around with the 1000 pd bombs, all other bombs are meh to me.

[Exocet6951]

Why I hate playing CV at times:

You spot, deal 100k damage all while facing an OMNI player in a Shokaku while there's a cyclone half the match, sacrifice your fighters just to screw up his drops on our DDs, and you're reported to oblivion because you didn't carry their sorry butts quite as much as said OMNI carried his team.


Of course, said whiners tend to be reroll unicums who have never touched a CV.
Those types of players should be forced to play CV against good players from time to time.

[pra3y]

1 hour ago, Exocet6951 said:

Why I hate playing CV at times:

You spot, deal 100k damage all while facing an OMNI player in a Shokaku while there's a cyclone half the match, sacrifice your fighters just to screw up his drops on our DDs, and you're reported to oblivion because you didn't carry their sorry butts quite as much as said OMNI carried his team.


Of course, said whiners tend to be reroll unicums who have never touched a CV.
Those types of players should be forced to play CV against good players from time to time.

 

Was in Haku up against a famous super unicrum AAO CV player in Midway. Told the team I'll try my best but no bets. Friendly Mino in a 3 man division with Shima and Zao offered his AA and help. Won game thanks to his AA and division, complemented him and his div and got division complimented back. 

 

In Haku against enemy Yugemo. Only enemy DD. Asked him if he feels lucky today. He said yes. Then potatoed a 3 way auto cross drop on him. Told him to go buy the lottery after that. Subsequently killed him and told him he was getting too close to me. Got complimented for in his own words "being a good sport". 

[Exocet6951]

3 minutes ago, pra3y said:

 

Was in Haku up against a famous super unicrum AAO CV player in Midway. Told the team I'll try my best but no bets. Friendly Mino in a 3 man division with Shima and Zao offered his AA and help. Won game thanks to his AA and division, complemented him and his div and got division complimented back. 

 

In Haku against enemy Yugemo. Only enemy DD. Asked him if he feels lucky today. He said yes. Then potatoed a 3 way auto cross drop on him. Told him to go buy the lottery after that. Subsequently killed him and told him he was getting too close to me. Got complimented for in his own words "being a good sport". 

 

In the mean time, I got reported for not killing a smoked up Atlanta during a cyclone....

I wish I were kidding.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Smoked Atlanta is best Atlanta cause he can't see your planes

[pra3y]

6 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

In the mean time, I got reported for not killing a smoked up Atlanta during a cyclone....

I wish I were kidding.

 

I feel you.

 

Although there was once where I got raged (don't think I was reported) at by an enemy Atlanta for torping him in Saipan instead of some other targets. In my defense I barely lost any planes doing so for some odd reason . 

[Pikkozoikum]

Hmm yes, as CV you're responsible for all your mates. If you don't correct the mistake of a mate, e.g. a bb moves far out alone and gets nuked by bombers, then you're a bad CV! o_O

[pra3y]

Well I jinxed myself lol, got raged at by a "full AA built" Montana that does not understand the concept of AA.

 

 

 

[ollonborre]

19 hours ago, pra3y said:

Well I jinxed myself lol, got raged at by a "full AA built" Montana that does not understand the concept of AA.

 

 

 

I was in that game, he continued to rave on quite a bit when I tried to explain the concept of RNG, destroyed AA modules and that if a tier 9-10 CV wants to strike you, it will. He did not really get it so to say.

 

On topic, I tried picking up CV play again after almost a year I think. And so far it's mostly been gnashing of teeth and frustration. I'm not good in a CV, I admit that, but it does not help to get dumped into tier 8 games over and over again in my Ryujo where I am extremely limited to do much. When I do get into a tier 7 game it's a bit better, and if I die it's mostly down to my positioning or personal retardation.

 

Still I do find it difficult overall. AA powercreep is certainly a thing (loosing half my torp bombers to a lone Bayern, ok) and the constant uptiering is annoying. 

[Pikkozoikum]

7 hours ago, ollonborre said:

I was in that game, he continued to rave on quite a bit when I tried to explain the concept of RNG, destroyed AA modules and that if a tier 9-10 CV wants to strike you, it will. He did not really get it so to say.

 

On topic, I tried picking up CV play again after almost a year I think. And so far it's mostly been gnashing of teeth and frustration. I'm not good in a CV, I admit that, but it does not help to get dumped into tier 8 games over and over again in my Ryujo where I am extremely limited to do much. When I do get into a tier 7 game it's a bit better, and if I die it's mostly down to my positioning or personal retardation.

 

Still I do find it difficult overall. AA powercreep is certainly a thing (loosing half my torp bombers to a lone Bayern, ok) and the constant uptiering is annoying. 

 

It's even more fun as Tier 8 into a T10 game :D

If they don't play crap, you can't even scout well

[pra3y]

7 hours ago, ollonborre said:

I was in that game, he continued to rave on quite a bit when I tried to explain the concept of RNG, destroyed AA modules and that if a tier 9-10 CV wants to strike you, it will. He did not really get it so to say.

 

He was lucky it wasn't the old Essex lol, otherwise I would have done even more damage. Apologies for not greeting you in game

 

7 hours ago, ollonborre said:

On topic, I tried picking up CV play again after almost a year I think. And so far it's mostly been gnashing of teeth and frustration. I'm not good in a CV, I admit that, but it does not help to get dumped into tier 8 games over and over again in my Ryujo where I am extremely limited to do much. When I do get into a tier 7 game it's a bit better, and if I die it's mostly down to my positioning or personal retardation.

 

Still I do find it difficult overall. AA powercreep is certainly a thing (loosing half my torp bombers to a lone Bayern, ok) and the constant uptiering is annoying. 

 

Stacking strike aircraft squads and then strike a target helps in dealing with ship AA. That was actually one of the reason why I got through most of the Montana's AA. The flip side is that your planes will be very exposed to enemy fighter strafes.