The CV Captains Cabin

[LongJohn_]

1 hour ago, clocky said:

 

Yes.

 

Nothing to be said there, you could just quit the game and never come back because he basically owned you at a chat level :)

 

Impossible to come back from that insult.

 

Indeed it touched a nerve. Maybe 22k of flooding had something to do with it.

[LongJohn_]

 

7 more games. Getting the hang of this but still dont like the idea of new Essex. Midway is researched ages ago and it looks overall better. 7 games, 57% WR, 2484 PR, 98k avg dmg, 33 planes. Except the damage sounds like my average. Its good time to end it here.

 

I think you're doing it right after enemy players like that Kurfurst lose their temper or game later one Khaba driver called me cheater while runnin straight into single torped wave.

 

My Essex times are over for now.

[Exocet6951]

I trolled around a bit more with AP bombs today...

After losing heaps of planes just flying near smoke clouds of DFAA 6-7km away, I just stood back a bit and let the game play out.
Dropping bombs on Yammies yielded a dissapointing 11k damage in 6 hits, and 15k in 7 hits.

Then I decided to drop on cruisers.
Killed off an HIV on 16k HP with 3 bombs, then kill. an almost full HP Des Moines 4km away from me with 6 bombs. And a secondary gun hit.


WG, solving BB overpopulation by introducing bombs that impact more CAs than BBs.
 

[pra3y]

Let this be a PSA to never keep on flying your planes over or near a DD no matter what tier you're at when it has defensive AA  

[veslingr]

2 hours ago, pra3y said:

Let this be a PSA to never keep on flying your planes over or near a DD no matter what tier you're at when it has defensive AA  

Cvs are so OP

[pra3y]

45 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Cvs are so OP

 

To be fair he wasn't stacking his attack planes plus he didn't pull his planes away from me even after suffering so much plane loss. I wonder if he realized it was actually me shooting down his planes.

[LongJohn_]

1 hour ago, veslingr said:

Cvs are so OP

 

I actually think the most grotesk difference is somewhere middle tiers. Maybe 6-7? AA isnt that strong and a unicum CV can really wipe the floor with the entire team if other CV captain is totally noob. 

[veslingr]

37 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

I actually think the most grotesk difference is somewhere middle tiers. Maybe 6-7? AA isnt that strong and a unicum CV can really wipe the floor with the entire team if other CV captain is totally noob. 

i don know....my Texas regulary farms Clear skys

[aidenthedestroyer]

1 hour ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

I actually think the most grotesk difference is somewhere middle tiers. Maybe 6-7? AA isnt that strong and a unicum CV can really wipe the floor with the entire team if other CV captain is totally noob. 

Are ye forgetting bout the lone and rare saviour of these poor young (Mid age) seals from the aircraft? its obviously SAIPAN senpai

[Redcap375]

Looking forward to playing the new update when I get back from holiday. Should be a lot more CV captains to go up against . Will be grinding the Essex for that nice Midway..

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm seriously finding Kaga the most stressful ship I've spent money on.

 

More than any other ship, she's utterly at the mercy of MM.

 

If you're in a T9 game with an enemy Saipan you best hope the enemy CV is an utter moron otherwise it's a pointless exercise. Vs USN T8+ BB and even USN DDs you become powerless if the enemy stays together. 

 

Unless anyone has any advice? You can't bomb, can't really scout and you'll lose any air battles if your opponent has a brain. 

[El2aZeR]

3 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Unless anyone has any advice?

 

...play Saipan instead? 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

...play Saipan instead? 

Or Enterprise 

 

Seems like Kaga is just a dirty seal clubbing device that falls short vs real opposition 

[44smok]

That's what I love about her

[ShinGetsu]

9 hours ago, Negativvv said:

I'm seriously finding Kaga the most stressful ship I've spent money on.

 

More than any other ship, she's utterly at the mercy of MM.

 

If you're in a T9 game with an enemy Saipan you best hope the enemy CV is an utter moron otherwise it's a pointless exercise. Vs USN T8+ BB and even USN DDs you become powerless if the enemy stays together. 

 

Unless anyone has any advice? You can't bomb, can't really scout and you'll lose any air battles if your opponent has a brain. 

With Kaga I just consider my DBs as baits, and my fighters as sacrificial pawns. It's all about the TB for me. Be it for sniping with those balistic missiles out of short range AA in the end game, or wrecking DDs. 

Mind you I'm not a great CV player. But Kaga is hard to play and its greatest strenght are the devastating torpedo strikes. I play very carefully so as not to waste any TB, and try to bait enemy fighters somewhere else while I'm going for devastating strike.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

41 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

With Kaga I just consider my DBs as baits, and my fighters as sacrificial pawns. It's all about the TB for me. Be it for sniping with those balistic missiles out of short range AA in the end game, or wrecking DDs. 

Mind you I'm not a great CV player. But Kaga is hard to play and its greatest strenght are the devastating torpedo strikes. I play very carefully so as not to waste any TB, and try to bait enemy fighters somewhere else while I'm going for devastating strike.

I do try and do that but fighters run out and if you try to do the above in a heavy T9 game you're pretty screwed.

 

Fortunately WG killing off the AS Range has lowered the lol scenarios but it's still that sinking feeling when you see a Saipan and you're bottom tier...

[aidenthedestroyer]

So USN CVs Are a succsessful Change on WGs Part. Theyve done a good job with the Flight Decks imo. Ive gotten Ranger, and shes really fuckin fun now. I feel like Im sealclubbing at times cause in her own tier bracket she actually is strong (Provided Enemy CV is a nub). So For higher tier CVs, Is teh AP bombs worth getting or is the HE bombs still more reliable?

But Im not really rushing with Ranger cause I love this ship tbf.

On 08/12/2017 at 0:16 PM, Negativvv said:

Fortunately WG killing off the AS Range has lowered the lol scenarios but it's still that sinking feeling when you see a Saipan and you're bottom tier...

well AS Ranger usually were people who didnt know Shiet and were (At times) easy to outplay. But I know a Saipan and damn are they a nightmare for an IJN CV (Hiryuu was mine, still was able to hold my ground) With Ranger, Ive not seen much, I remember One who I was able to clickfigth his fighters and actually win (Yknow the upgrade for Fighter HP and Ammo) And yes I did strafe those fighters before the fight. (IM NOT A NUB)

[Commander_Cornflakes]

18 minutes ago, aidenthedestroyer said:

So For higher tier CVs, Is teh AP bombs worth getting or is the HE bombs still more reliable?

Not really worth. They are very inconsistent.

The HE bombs of Lexi and higher are really good and you can use DOT with them. AP bombs might do more damage to certain targets, but you don't want to have limited targets when you already have to evade ships with good AA.

[El2aZeR]

49 minutes ago, aidenthedestroyer said:

So For higher tier CVs, Is teh AP bombs worth getting or is the HE bombs still more reliable?

 

Lex can use them because she meets a lot of ships vulnerable to AP bombs in her MM spread.

At high tiers HE bombs do about the same or more damage than AP bombs, so I wouldn't recommend for Essex.

Midway technically speaking CAN use them because she already has 2x TBs for anti DD and BB work, using AP bombs gives her a dedicated anti cruiser weapon as well (since AP bombs at high tiers kill cruisers so hard it isn't even funny). Still wouldn't recommend tho as that is highly situational (usually you don't wanna attack cruisers) and probably requires a lot more foresight and skill than simply using HE bombs for their general utility.

[GhostRiderMax123]

On 07/12/2017 at 10:21 PM, Negativvv said:

I'm seriously finding Kaga the most stressful ship I've spent money on.

 

More than any other ship, she's utterly at the mercy of MM.

 

If you're in a T9 game with an enemy Saipan you best hope the enemy CV is an utter moron otherwise it's a pointless exercise. Vs USN T8+ BB and even USN DDs you become powerless if the enemy stays together. 

 

Unless anyone has any advice? You can't bomb, can't really scout and you'll lose any air battles if your opponent has a brain. 

 

@MiniBrit hes talking about your waifu

[RUSSIANBlAS]

1 hour ago, aidenthedestroyer said:

 

well AS Ranger usually were people who didnt know Shiet and were (At times) easy to outplay. But I know a Saipan and damn are they a nightmare for an IJN CV (Hiryuu was mine, still was able to hold my ground) With Ranger, Ive not seen much, I remember One who I was able to clickfigth his fighters and actually win (Yknow the upgrade for Fighter HP and Ammo) And yes I did strafe those fighters before the fight. (IM NOT A NUB)

 

Problem is even a bad AS Ranger could put the hurt on my Kaga as all they had to do was camp amongst their fleet and it would be difficult trying to get in there. Not even worth trying to throw in those T6 Fighters when the enemy is above their AA bubbles.

 

16 minutes ago, GhostRider_24 said:

 

@MiniBrit hes talking about your waifu

 

We've had a discussion about her on another thread 

[MiniBrit]

5 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

We've had a discussion about her on another thread

We have :D

If you need some quick takeaway points for countering a saipan, here's what I got for ya:

1) spec into Dogfighting expert:

in a tag with saipan, your dps goes from 48 to 62.4 (im assuming its rounded down, so 62 will do)

You get a dps of 310, while saipan only has 308.

Your squads have 7625 hp, saipan squads have 9628 hp, so you need to make up for that difference by either double tagging and/oe being over allied AA.

2) Neutralise his strikes by tagging

I know, right. Here's why:

Once you have tagged his TBs, he cannot strafe you safely (It is possible and I have pulled it off but anyone would be lying if they said they can do it 100% clean all the time)

So he can either let his drop wiff because of the spread, or tag you to get you off his TBs, but since you've tagged him near a ship (that hes trying to strike) the combined DPS will rek his squad.

3) Since we're assuming he's skilled (otherwise you can just out strafe him ezwin)

Distract his fighters by spotting one of his DDs. Do this on a flank ofc, as his insane speed will negate the distraction if its in the middle.

4) Approach targets from the side of the map, (bear in mind 8km plane spotting range pls fix WG wtf is this BS) Like this even if he sees your strike coming he has to move his fighters even further to intercept.

5) This is more of a don't. DO NOT EVER use your DBs as bait. you have 12 total, do not waste them as they are amazing for killing stray DDs.

6) Snipe. But be very careful, and only do this if you have his fighters locked down (DO NOT KILL THEM OR THEY TELEPORT BACK TO SHIP ;-;) or distract them. your TBs have the alpha to one shot him so this should be easy once youre there.

A tip: If pos (dont go out your way to do this) tag his planes inside his air spotting range, so that he doesnt get a warning that hes spotted by TBs

7) Don't think you can outmaneuver his fighters with your TBs, best split them up and strike separate targets if he is able to intercept every strike.

8) Bleed him dry! He has Ryujo's Hangar, you have a hangar bigger than Taiho's!

Hopefully this should help you beat the cancer of tier 7 :D

Kaga rules <3

[aidenthedestroyer]

RANGER STRONK!!!! Im In love with her dang it :P

Spoiler

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I was against a nub AS Hiryuu, JUST 400HP TO THE KRAKEN WHY!!!.

Remember to always hit all your torps, I was one torp missed......

But a really good battle nonetheless

[RUSSIANBlAS]

On 09/12/2017 at 6:31 PM, MiniBrit said:

We have :D

If you need some quick takeaway points for countering a saipan, here's what I got for ya:

1) spec into Dogfighting expert:

in a tag with saipan, your dps goes from 48 to 62.4 (im assuming its rounded down, so 62 will do)

You get a dps of 310, while saipan only has 308.

Your squads have 7625 hp, saipan squads have 9628 hp, so you need to make up for that difference by either double tagging and/oe being over allied AA.

2) Neutralise his strikes by tagging

I know, right. Here's why:

Once you have tagged his TBs, he cannot strafe you safely (It is possible and I have pulled it off but anyone would be lying if they said they can do it 100% clean all the time)

So he can either let his drop wiff because of the spread, or tag you to get you off his TBs, but since you've tagged him near a ship (that hes trying to strike) the combined DPS will rek his squad.

3) Since we're assuming he's skilled (otherwise you can just out strafe him ezwin)

Distract his fighters by spotting one of his DDs. Do this on a flank ofc, as his insane speed will negate the distraction if its in the middle.

4) Approach targets from the side of the map, (bear in mind 8km plane spotting range pls fix WG wtf is this BS) Like this even if he sees your strike coming he has to move his fighters even further to intercept.

5) This is more of a don't. DO NOT EVER use your DBs as bait. you have 12 total, do not waste them as they are amazing for killing stray DDs.

6) Snipe. But be very careful, and only do this if you have his fighters locked down (DO NOT KILL THEM OR THEY TELEPORT BACK TO SHIP ;-;) or distract them. your TBs have the alpha to one shot him so this should be easy once youre there.

A tip: If pos (dont go out your way to do this) tag his planes inside his air spotting range, so that he doesnt get a warning that hes spotted by TBs

7) Don't think you can outmaneuver his fighters with your TBs, best split them up and strike separate targets if he is able to intercept every strike.

8) Bleed him dry! He has Ryujo's Hangar, you have a hangar bigger than Taiho's!

 

Hopefully this should help you beat the cancer of tier 7 :D

Kaga rules <3

Thanks, these are helpful advanced tips for Kaga. Haven't faced a Saipan yet but Kaga's deck utterly sh1ts on Rangers as there is very little they can do with a single fighter and you can even threaten their CV most games due to that sole group Ranger has.

 

 

[El2aZeR]

11 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Haven't faced a Saipan yet but Kaga's deck utterly sh1ts on Rangers as there is very little they can do with a single fighter and you can even threaten their CV most games fire to that sole group.

 

Afaik he could wipe one of your squads even in a head on strafe pass, but if you're adept at dodging... Yeah, there is little he can do.

 

Imo all T7+ USN CVs should've gotten an extra fighter squad but a reduction in squad size by one (needless to say it'd do away with the up/down-tiering nonsense, too). They should've also kept the unified deck DB heavy instead of down-tiering Essex/Midway TBs and giving the latter two of them. Basically

Ranger/Lex - 2/1/2

Essex/Midway - 2/1/3

Then reduce service times a bit and make DBs a bit more skillful to use (earlier you lock = more accurate for example) and voila, problem solved. It's not like the 1000lb HE bombs lack damage after all.

 

But I guess one less fighter but two squads would've encroached too much on Big E's territory, so they didn't go with it.

Though that could've technically speaking been solved by giving E an extra fighter per squad.

Or just straight up another fighter squad since she has the reserves to support it, making her the most hilarious CV tier for tier.