The CV Captains Cabin

[unsinkable_sam_]

53 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

In that case I might give it a try. You still need another account with the same email address to make it work? It was somewhere in the PTS guides...

Same email adress need,  if you want  get rewards on live server.

[unsinkable_sam_]

 I have idea for better usage for  bombs,  need  one skill that possible  to change   from HE to AP in battle.   If one destroyer attacks against CV, with AP bombs you no chance to kill.

[LongJohn_]

9 hours ago, longley89 said:

Same email adress need,  if you want  get rewards on live server.

 

Is the client russian only? Damn easy to use.

[unsinkable_sam_]

40 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Csak az ügyfél orosz? A pokol könnyen használható.

Have english language.

[LongJohn_]

Subjective question. When do you feel content after CV battle? 

 

Started wondering this today. Played Essex, 9 battles total, avg damage above overall average at 119k, just under 78% winrate (7/9 vics), new damage (248k) and planekill (62) records and I still feel kind of ... Meh. So whats wrong with me? 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

7 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

When do you feel content after CV battle?

When someone starts flaming me

Doesn't even matter if it's an enemy or a teammate.

[LongJohn_]

Just now, Commander_Cornflakes said:

When someone starts flaming me

Doesn't even matter if it's an enemy or a teammate.

 

So primary objective is to piss people off? 

[pra3y]

3 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

Subjective question. When do you feel content after CV battle? 

 

Win games, shoot down alot of planes and do alot of damage.

 

Dumping my 1000 pd HE bombs on enemy ships and watch their hp drop or burn uncontrollably is very satisfying for some unknown reasons.

[Redcap375]

I can foresee that new Essex layout will be alot better chaps.  That one set of fighters are handicapping it at the moment.

 

Had a really good game yesterday in the Tahio against a good Essex CV player.  I managed  to keep his strike package at bay for half the game and strafed his whole strike in 2 go's with one group of fighters! I spotted his CV up with my bombers and he used his ONLY defensive fire.  I then sent my torp planes in to finish the job when it cooled down. He/She said " not been taken out by a CV for a while, i said "I know how it feels" 

 

We lost in the end as our WHOLE team (7 ships) camped on the A cap and didn't move for the whole game.  Didn't help that our 3 DD's died right at the start, even though i sunk one enemy DD my first wave! Plus when you have 2 Missi, 1 Iowa and a AA spec Yam as enemy BBs you know that AA is going to be a problem .  Fair play to them, they moved round in small groups and couldn't do much to be honest.

 

Having that extra set of fighters on the Essex would have changed the way I did things that game.  I had a lot of space to run his fighters ragged and in the end, just got around them.  With 2 sets of fighters those flimsy IJN Torps are going to see alot more fighter action than they are used too.  

 

Will be buying back the Essex this weekend me thinks.

[LongJohn_]

 

Told you about scouting. What can you chaps say about these

[Commander_Cornflakes]

5 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Told you about scouting. What can you chaps say about these

[pra3y]

36 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Told you about scouting. What can you chaps say about these

 

Plays 3/0/2 Essex, hates either CV or CV players, knows how to strafe but that's it. Should burn in hell.

[Redcap375]

1 hour ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Told you about scouting. What can you chaps say about these

 

 Gotta have played 3/0/2 and needs a quite word with himself. This anti CV mentality is shocking and i'm personally appalled.   

[aidenthedestroyer]

AS Carriers

Im off Shoukaku till the update comes :P

but tbf, the amount of people playing American Carriers has increased, but the amount of AS Players has also increased sadly. Im not a good carrier player (Maybe Averge) I DEFINATELY cant deal with AS. (unless they are dumb). Anyways, the other day i ran into a GZ Test II in my Shoukaku. Not a bad game at all. I was able to empty his hangar of fighters but his bombers still ran around. The player wasnt good tho because after my fighters dealt with his Figter and Bomber squads, his torp were still circling round the edge of a map and went to attack a heavy AA squad having 2-3 BBs and some cruisers.but 10 fighters per squad means that one strafe in and out will not be enough. those bombers tho are still really strong. He managed to sink our Edinburgh from 26k HP (Im sorry they nerfed Repair times for the fighters). but still a good game I guess For me

[LongJohn_]

You guessed right. 3-0-2 Essex, no strafing skills, only point and click. After you get spotted just keeps you spotted and doesnt let any aircraft leave. But is also smart enough to avoid CV AA. So basically the most annoying playstyle you can imagine. Once you scout that you know for 100% sure this game is going to suck ans bad. Well, got 50k something done, lost because whole team sucked. Cant say that lost to other carrier if the goal is to play total dull 0-0 to both sides.

 

Actually this is thing thats going to change with the US CV rework. All Essexes will be 2-1-2 so you can use two fighters just like them, in-out strafes and shoot the living s#it out of them.

 

If you scout someone with 30-40k damage abd <10 planekills a game you know this player plays correct loadout but just overally sucks.

[LongJohn_]

Double.

[LongJohn_]

 

281 games with Essex and you have to grind your way there. That means quite a dedication for only hating Carriers. Maybe he just doesnt want to learn them or simply likes them AS?

 

At least most bad CV players try to cause damage, sometimes even succeed and get more XP out of their ship.

[LongJohn_]

 

Oh... One superbly funny battle with almost similar CV captain. This time it was 3-2-2(?) Taiho with point-click-forget fighters. Pretty early in the game I got him clicking my empty DB squad with ALL THREE of his fighters. As you know empty bombers are quite fast, they dont leave fighters behind but dont let them catch either. I thought to play a little game with him so I ordered this squad to circle whole darn map. I think they followed about one and a half full circles and then I just ordered planes hovering around my CV and deleted fighters with AA. But boy did I laugh my sick azz off.

 

At the same time I could strafe down his attackplanes and strike their ships without any interference.

[LongJohn_]

 

More and more. One Taiho seen so far, just got the ship today and flying 3-2-2 jacks*it loadout. Same with this. 60 games done and AS as h*ll. So what do you do after getting CV? Free XP to nearest AS loadout?

 

Edit: And just to add the insult: That is sorted to damage done. So this players Essex is 21st most damage done ship. Incredible.

 

[pra3y]

5 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

More and more. One Taiho seen so far, just got the ship today and flying 3-2-2 jacks*it loadout. Same with this. 60 games done and AS as h*ll. So what do you do after getting CV? Free XP to nearest AS loadout?

 

Edit: And just to add the insult: That is sorted to damage done. So this players Essex is 21st most damage done ship. Incredible.

 

 

Lol I have a feeling more potato Taiho players may go for the 3/2/2 after the US CV change because they won't be able to handle the new 2/1/2 Essex if it goes through.

[pra3y]

 

Replay from Ichase's channel but don't worry it's not him playing so its safe. This game got me thinking, could they have won the game if the CV had helped the Yamatos out? The CV player is very good, but his focus in this game was dealing damage as well as sinking ships. Fighters were not scouting or at least placed in areas where they could have provided vision passively. Reminds me of a fellow CV player who was reported for not supporting his teammate. He killed off the enemy DD that was at C right at the start, but left his fighters there. Meanwhile the enemy CV, which was a potato AS Haku if I remembered correctly, was focusing on A. Enemy had 2 remaining DDs. Teammate pinged him to scout but he didn't. Even after both the remaining enemy DDs were spotted at A, he did not move his fighters over to scout. They were both at C doing nothing. According to him, he was spotting for his other teammates  around C, but the only enemies there were BBs which could be detected from pretty far away. I think personally the way the fighters were used in both situations do not contribute towards any team play at all. I know it's hindsight and no doubt both played well but I can't help but wonder if they could do more for the team.

[LongJohn_]

2 hours ago, pra3y said:

 

Replay from Ichase's channel but don't worry it's not him playing so its safe. This game got me thinking, could they have won the game if the CV had helped the Yamatos out? The CV player is very good, but his focus in this game was dealing damage as well as sinking ships. Fighters were not scouting or at least placed in areas where they could have provided vision passively. Reminds me of a fellow CV player who was reported for not supporting his teammate. He killed off the enemy DD that was at C right at the start, but left his fighters there. Meanwhile the enemy CV, which was a potato AS Haku if I remembered correctly, was focusing on A. Enemy had 2 remaining DDs. Teammate pinged him to scout but he didn't. Even after both the remaining enemy DDs were spotted at A, he did not move his fighters over to scout. They were both at C doing nothing. According to him, he was spotting for his other teammates  around C, but the only enemies there were BBs which could be detected from pretty far away. I think personally the way the fighters were used in both situations do not contribute towards any team play at all. I know it's hindsight and no doubt both played well but I can't help but wonder if they could do more for the team.

 

Well.. watched that video too. I personally dont think he did anything that any other good CV player couldnt do. Basically these exceptional results are result from multiple different factors and players actions is only one of them. 

 

Overall I tend to think at least some of my games later on but havent actually started analyzing actual replays. I guess you could improve your gameplay like that. But overall its very easy to be smart after the battle. Especially with CVs while we all know how chaotic actual gameplay is. You could always do something differently, spot something, strafe something, strike in different order etc. And maybe that would do some good to final results - or maybe not.

[pra3y]

10 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Well.. watched that video too. I personally dont think he did anything that any other good CV player couldnt do. Basically these exceptional results are result from multiple different factors and players actions is only one of them. 

 

Overall I tend to think at least some of my games later on but havent actually started analyzing actual replays. I guess you could improve your gameplay like that. But overall its very easy to be smart after the battle. Especially with CVs while we all know how chaotic actual gameplay is. You could always do something differently, spot something, strafe something, strike in different order etc. And maybe that would do some good to final results - or maybe not.

 

Tbh, stat wise and part gameplay wise he's definitely an excellent CV player. But I'll have to agree with chase here that it was a poor use of his fighters at the start, as well as his teammate asking why would he hit a Moskva right at the start of the game. Also remember the teammate that was pinging on the map about the DD? Could have used his fighters to spot. The thing is his style of CV play in this game was for his benefit. Do alot of damage and hope through that the team may or may not win. You noticed the other CV tried to snipe him? If he had scouted abit instead of focusing on dealing raw damage he probably wouldn't have got hit. No scouting at the start, no air cover for teammates throughout the game. You realize in this game unless the enemy planes are coming after him or his planes he did not actively do anything to cover his teammates? There was an overall lack of teamplay on his part that partly contributed to the lost.

 

You asked before how to have a good winrate right. This style of play is an example of how not to play to win. Relying too much on dealing pure damage while ignoring other aspects of the game just makes it harder for your team to win. Your aim should be to tip the balance in your team's favor, not just pure damage.

[LongJohn_]

You definitely have a point there. This is why I've been considering to run 2-1-1 loadout on Essex. More control, more spotting, less brute force. 

 

How personal rating and "how good you are" stats are defined? Planekills, WR, damage, kills, spotting damage? Which is most important?

 

Mostly played Bis and Myoko today but witnessed something Ididnt expect to see: Two AS Essexs banging heads in T9 match. Simply breathtaking. 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

1 minute ago, LongJohn_ said:

How personal rating and "how good you are" stats are defined? Planekills, WR, damage, kills, spotting damage?

PR and WTR only contain raw damage, kills and winrate. No spotting, no plane kills etc.

It is therefore very incomplete to determine the skill of a CV player.

See: https://wows-numbers.com/personal/rating

 

2 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

Which is most important?

Winrate is the best stat, as it contains everything you do. But the number of matches has to be high enough to filter out any influence of the team.