The CV Captains Cabin

[El2aZeR]

How good is Colorado AA?

 

Depending on the captain skills and upgrades anywhere from pretty good to downright monstrous.

[tajj7]

Ok will avoid it next time then. 

[Synth_FG]

Ok will avoid it next time then. 

 

Avoid US BB > T6 until their aa has been degraded by your own team

Avoid US, High Tier UK and Russian Cruisers like the plague

and there's a russian high tier DD out there that's a sod as you don't see it until your on top of it, and by the time you realise it's there you've lost 3/4 of the squadron 

[Close_Quarters_Expert]

I keep getting reported for killing people when in their smoke, obviously through rage/ignorance of their surroundings. Is this normal behaviour? For instance, I just got a double strike on a Kutusov and North Carolina...who were both in the same smoke bubble; they both reported me. I then got reported by the enemy CV too because, and I quote 'Nobody can have their planes in so many places at once time.' For the record, I'm currently playing a 1/1/1 Ranger with torp accel; so nothing special at all.

 

I'm not butthurt, but just so sick of getting reported simply for playing a certain class of ship  Why are CVs so hated right now? Is it because players so rarely see them that they're ill-equipped to face them when they are there? Or perhaps the removal of manual in the lower tiers is already making people think they're immune to Cvs when smoked up?

[pra3y]

I keep getting reported for killing people when in their smoke, obviously through rage/ignorance of their surroundings. Is this normal behaviour? For instance, I just got a double strike on a Kutusov and North Carolina...who were both in the same smoke bubble; they both reported me. I then got reported by the enemy CV too because, and I quote 'Nobody can have their planes in so many places at once time.' For the record, I'm currently playing a 1/1/1 Ranger with torp accel; so nothing special at all.

 

I'm not butthurt, but just so sick of getting reported simply for playing a certain class of ship  Why are CVs so hated right now? Is it because players so rarely see them that they're ill-equipped to face them when they are there? Or perhaps the removal of manual in the lower tiers is already making people think they're immune to Cvs when smoked up?

 

Just bad luck I guess. Most people I meet don't really hate CVs that much except for the usual suspect you see on the forums. There was even a Ryujo captain whose TBs and DBs got all strafed by my Saipan, called me a "premium poop" and that's all, not reported. To be fair I get complimented more playing CVs than any other class. Just cheer up 

[Roran_Hawkins]

Just had my first tX game in Lexington. Gosh, I instantly want to quit CV's altogether. I got 1 bomb hit and 1 torpedo hit at the cost of every plane I have, trying to target lonely, damaged and separated ships or destroyers after losing my initial wave pretty much instantly to AA.

 

How/why do people bother?

[pra3y]

Just had my first tX game in Lexington. Gosh, I instantly want to quit CV's altogether. I got 1 bomb hit and 1 torpedo hit at the cost of every plane I have, trying to target lonely, damaged and separated ships or destroyers after losing my initial wave pretty much instantly to AA.

 

How/why do people bother?

 

What loadout are you using for your Lex? After testing the various loadouts on PT I feel the most effective is the strike for Lexi. If you're afraid of ship borne AA 3 DB squad grouped together will not lose you too much planes and do loads of damage on a target including taking out AA. Then torp the ship as an afterthought. You'll have to rely on your own team as well as your own ship AA though and be wary of the enemy planes strafing.

[Redcap375]

Chaps...How is things?  

 

So interesting (will call it that for now) times for CV captains.  The upcoming tier 7 IJN CV and tier 8 US CV.

 

First things first...WTF is going on with the man aiming and the general positioning of planes? You click the mouse for man drop and nothing, you click again and nothing! Had this on the last two games and ended up fist punching the mouse just to move the planes to a different location. Flash to bang has got worse IMHO since the updates.  This HAS to get sorted.

 

On a positive note, i have seen more CV players in randoms that i have for a while.  I have also seen a influx of AA spec ships which is interesting.  More BBs are taking 1 extra plane perk (last point usage) and BFT is (like we said) become almost an auto include.  Went against a full aa spec Mog yesterday, i mean a Mog?? Had a brief in game chat with him and he simply said "got fed up with CVs, they don't expect it".  We he was right and to be honest, nor did i.  Pretty effective for a ship like that (I had IJN CV).

 

What do you chaps think about the new CVs? I love the fact that WG still hasn't sorted the problems out (got worse) and still, like a good business does, tries to sell more CVs? But I totally expected that.

[pra3y]

@Redcap375

 

No issue with manual dropping although I have problems giving command via the map, it's like the mouse refuse to click on that spot of the map for my planes to go there.

 

Also I've met quite a bit of good CV players recently. Had an arial ballet with my Saipan fighters against this Hiryu captain and it was one of the most intense fight I've gotten into CV vs CV. AA wise doesn't seem to have much change. Had a Fletcher captain who went full AA built and shredded my planes (Saipan) but just got the Taiho recently and apart from the Iowa/Missouri, Montana, Mino, Hindi and DM eveything else seems easy enough to drop against. You remember I mentioned before about grouping all your planes together and dropping them at the same time yields better survivability? Well after playing a couple of rounds I can safely say it does. A concentrated drop seems to be a good tactic against high AA target, be it 3 USN DB squads dumping their 1000 pound bombs on a Missouri or 3 IJN TB squad dropping torps on a Great Wurst. Only thing you would have to consider  is enemy CV strafing you.

 

CV wise I'll wait and see. Kaga seems interesting but tier 6 planes = alot of swatting. As for the Enterprise I'll wait and see what WG does to it. Hopefully something interesting. 

[El2aZeR]

Imo the UI has gotten far worse. The amount of bugs they have managed to introduce is ludicrous.

And obviously they're unwilling to fix them because lol who cares about CVs?

 

Got myself Haku a few days ago. The lack of cruisers and the amount of potatoes sailing around at T10 makes it hilariously easy to farm damage with her.

[Viktor_Lima]

Redcap, I think you ran across the bug that you cannot place a manual drop on a waypoint of your squad. It attempts to shift the waypoint instead. Always waypoint far ahead or behind the target, so there will be no conflict when you order the drop.

I personally really like the new alternate mouse controls (enable in settings lower left). Using right click to order avoids the "select box of no planes and drop currently selected" if you press a little too long on the left key. It clearly separates unit selection and order execution, which I really like.

[El2aZeR]

https://sea-group.org/?p=2884&lang=en

 

[...]

 

All types of aircraft can now be detected by ships at 8km, and can be detected by planes at 7km.

 

 

I imagine the devs over at WG were suffering from withdrawal symptoms after not nerfing CVs for so long.

 

Seriously, all they needed to do was to make floatplanes have the same detection range as any other aircraft. This is just utterly moronic at this point.

[mcboernester]

Hm dunno, I doubt this change will have much Impact on my Saipan Gameplay,  right now I'm rather positive about this Change since this floatplane stuff became rather annoying in the Past. 

[Redcap375]

 

I imagine the devs over at WG were suffering from withdrawal symptoms after not nerfing CVs for so long.

 

Seriously, all they needed to do was to make floatplanes have the same detection range as any other aircraft. This is just utterly moronic at this point.

 

Not surprised at all .

 

So finally got the Saipan chaps (as per other "Strafe" thread), as i needed to put the only 19 point US CV captain i have left in one.  Plus it was on sale 

 

Wow....  Not played tier 7 CVs since they nerfed the Hiryu with tier 6 torp planes and such. It's a monster.  Stafing out of combat, unscathed, is so unbelievably broken when you can also out-run the other planes.  I feel completely dirty when playing with this thing. 

 

[El2aZeR]

Hm dunno, I doubt this change will have much Impact on my Saipan Gameplay,  right now I'm rather positive about this Change since this floatplane stuff became rather annoying in the Past. 

 

The problem I have with this is that now ships like Mino now can actually AA from stealth solo. Before they at least needed someone to spot.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Is there any way of overcoming the dammn RNG in a Dive Bomber attack?

 

It's a bit of an issue with DDs as the entire ship can be within the targeting circle but it'll still derp...

[Drunken_Jedi]

What a day so far. Played four games in the Ranger, only got my daily double bonus on the fourth. Damage talleys were 124k, 135k, 157k and typically my win was on my worst performance of the day with only 105k with Strike loadout. Managed to get enough XP to research the Lexington though so finally sold that bloody awful Ranger!

 

Had a good game in my Shokaku though, 150k was an easy game though with only a strike Lexington so I had nothing to hold me back at all... nearly got a clear sky too!

 

Is there any way of overcoming the dammn RNG in a Dive Bomber attack?

 

It's a bit of an issue with DDs as the entire ship can be within the targeting circle but it'll still derp...

 

Sadly mate you're at the mercy of RNGesus with the dive bombers, especially for the US ones where they have a larget aiming area. With the IJN dives I can consistantly land one or two bomb hits on DD's but have better success with torpedoes. Wrecked a Shimakaze in the Shokaku yesterday with a lovely cross drop poor bugger had nowhere to turn. At least when Kaga comes out we won't have to worry about that and DDs will absolutely hate you.

[pra3y]

Isn't it better not to manual drop USN DBs sometimes? Especially on anything not a BB?

[El2aZeR]

Isn't it better not to manual drop USN DBs sometimes? Especially on anything not a BB?

 

I don't see why. Reduced dispersion is reduced dispersion, even if it's comparably laughable to the dispersion of IJN DBs.

 

On a different note:

 

 

So this is what you have to do in a T10 CV to earn just 150k without camo and premium.

Also 76 planes downed and no CS.

I have a feeling that WG only adjusted exp earnings and not credits income.

[Drunken_Jedi]

Top tier CV economy is still pretty garbage. The silly thing is they have it in that state and wonder why everyone prefers to play the lower tiers. At least until the manual drop nerf. If they just fix the high tier economy it would sort a few things out. 

[pra3y]

I don't see why. Reduced dispersion is reduced dispersion, even if it's comparably laughable to the dispersion of IJN DBs.

 

Well it is more accurate at times compared to manual dropping a DD or CA i guess.

 

Edit: spelling

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

What a day so far. Played four games in the Ranger, only got my daily double bonus on the fourth. Damage talleys were 124k, 135k, 157k and typically my win was on my worst performance of the day with only 105k with Strike loadout. Managed to get enough XP to research the Lexington though so finally sold that bloody awful Ranger!

 

Had a good game in my Shokaku though, 150k was an easy game though with only a strike Lexington so I had nothing to hold me back at all... nearly got a clear sky too!

 

 

Sadly mate you're at the mercy of RNGesus with the dive bombers, especially for the US ones where they have a larget aiming area. With the IJN dives I can consistantly land one or two bomb hits on DD's but have better success with torpedoes. Wrecked a Shimakaze in the Shokaku yesterday with a lovely cross drop poor bugger had nowhere to turn. At least when Kaga comes out we won't have to worry about that and DDs will absolutely hate you.

 

Strike Ranger drives me up the wall.

 

I've been taken out by a mediocre enemy CV because I simply couldn't protect myself sufficiently. Of course the enemy did nothing except try to sink me but my RNG on my DB failed me 

 

Yeah its annoying how IJN get a tiny little circle that is far more reliable, why not just give USN the same thing? WG probably think it would be too OP 

[Viktor_Lima]

Erazer, those were ok baseline earnings for a solid TX victory. Yamato wouldn't have been different. Remember that all the flags and camoes you can use are affecting this. Had you used Zulu and the 10% service reduction flag on it as well as some special campaign flags you might have earned over half a million. The old rule of thumb was that without premium you need a thrashing victory to make back your repair fee in TX.

I'm actually very much content with the CV economy currently. My problem with the class is the stacking of high tier AA auras and how this affects CVs in competative. There needs to be a solution between clubbing poorly specced solos in random and not being able to touch anyone until minute 15 and team collapse in organized play.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 My problem with the class is the stacking of high tier AA auras and how this affects CVs in competative. There needs to be a solution between clubbing poorly specced solos in random and not being able to touch anyone until minute 15 and team collapse in organized play.

 

 

Higher tier CV consists of spotting for half the game and getting an opportunist strike against a lone DD. Unless you want to waste a lot of planes on 1 alpha strike against a BB just to farm but that's probably the potato approach.

 

How else do you balance it? Lower tier CV play, you're essentially a God amongst mortals as you can choose anything and kill it but it becomes a lot tighter up the tiers 

[Viktor_Lima]

I'm not talking about tier, Negativvv. I'm killing ships left and right in Essex or Hakuryu in randoms, heck, I can even make Shokaku work in a TX match alright. But in clan matches with oragnized fleets it feels very much like Japanes aircrews at Okinawa, if you catch my drift.