German BB line !

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

No - there are no blueprints for the P41 cruisers.

 

The model that Zao uses was published in the 1970s in a Japanese magazine with the explicit note that it was an artist's impression of what the design process could have resulted in. It is pure fantasy.

 

^ this

 

The designed ship is Ibuki. And she was more than designed. So no arguments against her there. In fact I'm not so much against these designs as some are. If they serve a specific purpose, and they follow a design path that one could see the nation in question following, then I have no problem with them, and so far all three have managed to do just that.

[Trainspite]

 

No - there are no blueprints for the P41 cruisers.

 

The model that Zao uses was published in the 1970s in a Japanese magazine with the explicit note that it was an artist's impression of what the design process could have resulted in. It is pure fantasy.

 

Depends what you count as designed. I have usually counted specifications in with that. So in my eyes it is designed, or at least to a point. Fair enough if you have a different view of designed to me though.

 

I am aware that Zao uses a model that is based on those specifications. 

 

 

^ this

 

The designed ship is Ibuki. And she was more than designed. So no arguments against her there. In fact I'm not so much against these designs as some are. If they serve a specific purpose, and they follow a design path that one could see the nation in question following, then I have no problem with them, and so far all three have managed to do just that.

 

Ibuki was being built, then was to be converted into a carrier. I already know this...

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

Depends what you count as designed. I have usually counted specifications in with that. So in my eyes it is designed, or at least to a point. Fair enough if you have a different view of designed to me though.

 

I am aware that Zao uses a model that is based on those specifications. 

 

 

If we go by your definition then we can count some of tZoli's designs as 'designed'. That's the same thing as that artist did. And now that we have Roon and Hindenburg they would count too.

That's not designed, that's imagined. I'm sorry, but I can't agree to such a position, especially not after you tried to enforce it when I mentioned Zao was hypothetical.

 

[EDIT] my post might appear harsher than I intend it to be, but I am not able to find the right words to convey the message diplomatically it seems.

[Meneleus]

Expected the H41 to be fitted with 4x2 17" guns tbh. May still be the case I guess, we will just have to wait and see.

 

Cheers, M

[BruceForce]

 

So, no tier IX and X competitive play, not ever? Because you realize clan wars are tier X oriented right? 

 

Also, first complaint I hear about adding TOO MANY MUCH ships

 

I mean no tier IX and X for German BBs, as German BBs stopped at Bismarck/Tirpitz. I may agree that Tier IX is ok since it was designed and started, though never finished.

 

Obviously, other ship lines such as Japanese BB should stretch to tier X.

[Trainspite]

 

If we go by your definition then we can count some of tZoli's designs as 'designed'. That's the same thing as that artist did. And now that we have Roon and Hindenburg they would count too.

That's not designed, that's imagined.

 

Then I can split my definition of designed up into sub sectors if you so wish, to avoid confusing people. 

Official Design, Impressionistic Design based on historical figures, Design based around fictional figures. Is that better for you? 

 

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

Then I can split my definition of designed up into sub sectors if you so wish, to avoid confusing people. 

Official Design, Impressionistic Design based on historical figures, Design based around fictional figures. Is that better for you? 

 

 

Certainly a lot better.

[orlathebeast]

Looks nice up to tier 8. But frankly I think it should have stopped there. A ship line doesn't have to go all the way to tier X (some don't start at Tier 1 like CVs and BBs). Why do we need fantasy ships at high tiers? What's next, an Italian Tier X battleship "Pizza Margherita" that wrecks Yamatos?

 

hehehe... sry dude, but we italians have a projeck for a tier X BB armed with 4X4 16 inch guns

ant there were many ship called "queen margherita".

[Feuerengel]

 

I mean no tier IX and X for German BBs, as German BBs stopped at Bismarck/Tirpitz. I may agree that Tier IX is ok since it was designed and started, though never finished.

 

Obviously, other ship lines such as Japanese BB should stretch to tier X.

 

By that logic, the japanese BB line would be the ONLY one that goes to tier 10...

[Getzamatic]

H41 is as real as design as the Montana class, so I've no problem with her appearing in the game.

 

Zao I begrudgingly accept on the grounds that there was a P41 cruiser specification and the model we're given is a reasonable approximation of what might have resulted.  I would be equally happy with the Royal Navy's 9.2" heavy cruiser proposal appearing at tier 10 for the British.  There isn't any detailed design work, but the proposal was at least considered historically and literally nobody actually built anything comparable to the Des Moines class.  In fact, nobody actually built anything comparable to the Yamato or Midway classes either, so we're going to have to accept so paper ships if we want to populate tier 10 with anything other than a handful of ships.

 

Roon and Hindenberg bother me a lot because there was never even a specification issued by Germany for such ships, much less an actual design formulated.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

I cant believe people are still going on about paper designs. All I want is a full tree, and as long as the top tiers have some design logic in them, even if its a WG design, then I am happy.

 

Can you imagine how unbalanced the game would be if no paper designs were used? What would you do if you wanted to play a Royal Navy BB? You would be stuck with the Vanguard. Does anybody think the Vanguard could compete with the Yamato or Iowa? By not using paper designs you are restricting the game, and taking away its main appeal, variety and choice. I cant think of anything more dull than only seeing Yamato BB's at tier 10.

[Trainspite]

 

Certainly a lot better.

 

Not allowed to be lazy/broad with my words anymore... 

 

 

[lafeel]

@Getzmatic: And what about the Yorck then with her 8,2in guns?

[Trainspite]

@Getzmatic: And what about the Yorck then with her 8,2in guns?

 

Entwurf I/10.

[Ictogan]

 

By that logic, the japanese BB line would be the ONLY one that goes to tier 10...

 

Actually US DDs, CAs and CVs and also IJN DDs would also go to tier 10 as all of those have been built. But yeah, having ship lines incomplete isn't something that should happen.

[lafeel]

 

Entwurf I/10.

 

Point conceded.

[Getzamatic]

@Getzmatic: And what about the Yorck then with her 8,2in guns?

 

​She's Entwurf I/10, a precursor design to the Deutschlands.  Her 8.2" guns were the same as those fitted to German Armored cruisers from before WW1.

 

Edit:  Trainspite beat me to it

[aquiles7389]

Where's currywurst??

 

[lafeel]

 

​She's Entwurf I/10, a precursor design to the Deutschlands.  Her 8.2" guns were the same as those fitted to German Armored cruisers from before WW1.

 

Edit:  Trainspite beat me to it

I was well aware of the 8,2in guns being used (and well liked, from what I recall) on the pre Dreadnought CA's, thank you.

[Unintentional_submarine]

@Getzmatic: And what about the Yorck then with her 8,2in guns?

 

Since she is pretty close to the RN T10 project in advancement, she should be fine. Personally I think it is a lovely addition, and the impression of her looks is spot on to me. You can see the 1920s details ooze out of her bridge and stern.

 

[EDIT] lol so meganinjaed I can barely look at it. Disregard my bit. 

 

 

Not allowed to be lazy/broad with my words anymore... 

 

 

I have burned my tongue, fingers and every other appendage multiple times (and will again I'm sure) because I was too careless with my own use of words. It's normal for us I think.

[Getzamatic]

I cant believe people are still going on about paper designs. All I want is a full tree, and as long as the top tiers have some design logic in them, even if its a WG design, then I am happy.

 

Can you imagine how unbalanced the game would be if no paper designs were used? What would you do if you wanted to play a Royal Navy BB? You would be stuck with the Vanguard. Does anybody think the Vanguard could compete with the Yamato or Iowa? By not using paper designs you are restricting the game, and taking away its main appeal, variety and choice. I cant think of anything more dull than only seeing Yamato BB's at tier 10.

 

 I have no problem with "paper" designs.  I have a problem with Fictional designs,

[orlathebeast]

but where are the sausages?

[orlathebeast]

 

 I have no problem with "paper" designs.  I have a problem with Fictional designs,

 

"OMG"

 

you can allways play with only the real ships and leave the rest to people who like them. come on, it's so terrible? it's a game, not a simulator.

[Getzamatic]

I was well aware of the 8,2in guns being used (and well liked, from what I recall) on the pre Dreadnought CA's, thank you.

 

 They were very modern and capable guns for their era and would have been quite a rational choice for a 1920's heavy cruiser.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

 

 I have no problem with "paper" designs.  I have a problem with Fictional designs,

 

And my point still stands, whether fictional or paper.