[PONYD] GrossadmiralThrawn Players 4,995 posts 4,960 battles Report post #26 Posted July 6, 2016 Unless I missed it, I havent seen anything to suggest H41 will have tripple turrets. I assume it will keep the 4x2 setup. i can only write of what i've read right now since this PC has the main page blocked and all others i can access til i'm at home on friday dito... if the Kurfürst has twin guns i hope they have buffed it since the gun datas were datamined... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KONI] Getzamatic Players 442 posts 5,866 battles Report post #27 Posted July 6, 2016 poor H41... WGN fantasy-enthusiasts are raping her with tripple-gun turrets......1 billion yards away of any historical context, including german design philosophy for BBs ...... and why ? because of balancing ? why doesnt WGN buff the historically planned 4x2 setup with better RoF, dispersion ? they have completely replaced the planned gunnery by a poor fantasy setup, that is in radical contrast to the german bettleship design philosophy. No single german H-class BB was ever planned with guns like these. And the germans always followed the 4x2 setup, because it was their philosophy. even Scharnhorst was only mounted with smaller 3x11" because the 2x15" werent rdy.. so ,pls WGN, dont tell me that u had no other choice because of balancing, there are so many "soft stats" u could have used to balance the guns for T10 thats just a shame Overreacting much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,220 battles Report post #28 Posted July 6, 2016 Overreacting much? I would say nothing compared to what we will see when RN is announced I can already see the first page filled with bash topics. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masterrix Alpha Tester 356 posts 2,656 battles Report post #29 Posted July 6, 2016 Overreacting much? no, just a human reaction of heavy dissapointment for a navy fan 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] RUMIRUMI Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 215 posts 15,511 battles Report post #30 Posted July 6, 2016 I would say nothing compared to what we will see when RN is announced I can already see the first page filled with bash topics. That will be the day when we all grab popcorn and enjoy the comments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #31 Posted July 6, 2016 than lets take a look on the large picture, showing H41 (left side) and H39 (right side) How do you know that's H41 and H39? You don't know that. However... ... ... ... You are right. WELP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] YukiEiriKun [POP] Beta Tester 1,500 posts 5,749 battles Report post #32 Posted July 6, 2016 So ... Gneisenau.. I was wrong and now I'm salty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NameChangingIsToExpensiv Players 260 posts 3,757 battles Report post #33 Posted July 6, 2016 How do you know that's H41 and H39? You don't know that. However... ... ... ... You are right. WELP. Well from the look of the bridge, it cant be the Gneisenau. And no other existing german bb in this tree had triple turrets besides Gneisenau. So the only ships which can be on this pic are h39 and h41. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #34 Posted July 6, 2016 That will be the day when we all grab popcorn and enjoy the comments. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #35 Posted July 6, 2016 Well from the look of the bridge, it cant be the Gneisenau. And no other existing german bb in this tree had triple turrets besides Gneisenau. So the only ships which can be on this pic are h39 and h41. Could have just been some random illustration without any relation to the tech tree. It's just artwork. It's not rendered based on the ingame models or anything. But the point still stands. T10 has triple guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masterrix Alpha Tester 356 posts 2,656 battles Report post #36 Posted July 6, 2016 How do you know that's H41 and H39? You don't know that. However... ... ... ... You are right. WELP. the right ship on the large picture is definitively H39, and she looks good and accurate. the left ship can only be H41 with fantasy guns and it fits to the analyses you made Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1DSF] Carnivore81 Moderator, In AlfaTesters 3,523 posts 9,588 battles Report post #37 Posted July 6, 2016 So 4x3 or 3x3 would explain the Stats on the Guns that where leaked a few days ago. Maybe they changed their Mind and raplaced H41 with a greater Scharnhorst class instead of bigger Bismarck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC Players 1,139 posts Report post #38 Posted July 6, 2016 That will be the day when we all grab popcorn and enjoy the comments. You know its coming. No matter which ships/configurations they put in the cruiser tree, they will find something to complain about. But I am so looking forward to trying this line though, especially the Bayern. Curious as to how it matches up against the Warspite/QE's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,506 battles Report post #39 Posted July 6, 2016 Masterrix, on 06 July 2016 - 02:04 PM, said: poor H41... WGN fantasy-enthusiasts are raping her with tripple-gun turrets......1 billion yards away of any historical context, including german design philosophy for BBs ...... and why ? because of balancing ? why doesnt WGN buff the historically planned 4x2 setup with better RoF, dispersion ? they have completely replaced the planned gunnery by a poor fantasy setup, that is in radical contrast to the german bettleship design philosophy. No single german H-class BB was ever planned with guns like these. And the germans always followed the 4x2 setup, because it was their philosophy. even Scharnhorst was only mounted with smaller 3x11" because the 2x15" werent rdy.. so ,pls WGN, dont tell me that u had no other choice because of balancing, there are so many "soft stats" u could have used to balance the guns for T10 thats just a shame Overreacting much? He has a point! Why not just give them a slightly faster gun reload to compensate for having less guns. Tripple turrets don't LOOK like German ships!!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC Players 1,139 posts Report post #40 Posted July 6, 2016 He has a point! Why not just give them a slightly faster gun reload to compensate for having less guns. Tripple turrets don't LOOK like German ships!!! Konigsberg, Nurnberg, Deutschland & Scharnhorst all had tripple guns. They all looked german. I am not knowledgeable enough on the H39/H41's to know if any of them did contain an alternate that used tripple turrets. At the end of the day, I will be in my 90's by the time I get a tier 10 german BB anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,220 battles Report post #41 Posted July 6, 2016 He has a point! Why not just give them a slightly faster gun reload to compensate for having less guns. Assuming 30secs reload to fully compensate you would need to have a 20 sec reload. Thats anything but "slight" Also, speaking strictly from gameplay and balance perspective, 2x2 frontal configuration is much worse compared to its USN and IJN peers which all have 2x3 in T9 and 10. I doubt that even significant buff of reload would be able to compensate for the weaker turret layout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #42 Posted July 6, 2016 I'm late for the party. But no surprises here. It looks pretty much how I figured it would be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masterrix Alpha Tester 356 posts 2,656 battles Report post #43 Posted July 6, 2016 Konigsberg, Nurnberg, Deutschland & Scharnhorst all had tripple guns. They all looked german. I am not knowledgeable enough on the H39/H41's to know if any of them did contain an alternate that used tripple turrets. At the end of the day, I will be in my 90's by the time I get a tier 10 german BB anyway. and no one of these ships is a real battleship Königsberg, Nürnberg are light cruisers Deutschland is a cruisers, no matter how the british yellow press called her Scharnhorst was classified as a battlecruiser by most navies, and even Scharnhorst only had tripple-guns because the stronger double-guns werent rdy at time.....(with planned double-guns for the future) it was german design philosophy to have double-gun-turrets on BBs. It was the only navy that practiced this philosophy until the end, and it would make the german tree very unique. unique also by gunnery and not only by armor/survivability. but it seems that WGN missed this chance because these fantasy-enthusiasts prefered a full fantasy gunnery-setup. THX 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babykim Beta Tester 1,649 posts 6,477 battles Report post #44 Posted July 6, 2016 nice, only last two are papers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #45 Posted July 6, 2016 nice, only last two are papers! Yes, that is a real good thing that makes this line very interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC Players 1,139 posts Report post #46 Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) and no one of these ships is a real battleship Königsberg, Nürnberg are light cruisers Deutschland is a cruisers, no matter how the british yellow press called her Scharnhorst was classified as a battlecruiser by most navies, and even Scharnhorst only had tripple-guns because the stronger double-guns werent rdy at time.....(with planned double-guns for the future) it was german design philosophy to have double-gun-turrets on BBs. It was the only navy that practiced this philosophy until the end, and it would make the german tree very unique. unique also by gunnery and not only by armor. I think we all know that. The point is, the german navy did have a philosophy of using triple turrets, that is clear. To state it was the german design philosophy to have double gun turrets on BB's when they only built one class is funny. Who knows what they would have designed in the later years of WW2, as a response to allied designs, had they had the capability and urge to do so. Edited July 6, 2016 by anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masterrix Alpha Tester 356 posts 2,656 battles Report post #47 Posted July 6, 2016 Assuming 30secs reload to fully compensate you would need to have a 20 sec reload. Thats anything but "slight" Also, speaking strictly from gameplay and balance perspective, 2x2 frontal configuration is much worse compared to its USN and IJN peers which all have 2x3 in T9 and 10. I doubt that even significant buff of reload would be able to compensate for the weaker turret layout. lets do this: 26 sec reload (similar Bismarck) 220m dispersion (similar Nagato) flat trajectories (also typical for german ships) -> and if gunnery is still 10% worser than on Yamato, Montana ??? -> than dont forget this: WGN already confirmed that german ships will have good survivability so if H41 has 10% better survivability than Yamato and Montana, than its balanced if the gunnery is 10% worser.... no need of a full fantasy gunnery 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #48 Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) If H41 really comes with triple turrets (and it very much looks like it), then I'm a bit disappointed. Typical german naval engineering was focused on protection first and foremost ("a ship's primary function is to stay afloat") so the big shtick for the german BB line would be tankyness over raw damage output. Giving the H39 and H41 sufficient armour protection to reliably bounce Yamato shells (no sell that 460mm overmatching!) would already be a sufficient tradeoff to live with 4x2 turret layouts and the superficial look I had over the H-class proposal wikipage seemed like the ships were planned with stupendously potent protection, nevermind that 4x2 420mm guns would still be quite the punch, especially if the gun performance and ballistics themselves are favourable tweaked (rate of fire, turret traverse, sigma value, dispersion, drag/projectile arc, Krupp, etc. pp.)! That way, we'd have the Yamato with the biggest guns, the Montana with the best AA and more guns and the H41 as the tank. Edited July 6, 2016 by Aotearas 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,506 battles Report post #49 Posted July 6, 2016 Konigsberg, Nurnberg, Deutschland & Scharnhorst all had tripple guns. They all looked german. I am not knowledgeable enough on the H39/H41's to know if any of them did contain an alternate that used tripple turrets. At the end of the day, I will be in my 90's by the time I get a tier 10 german BB anyway. They were all low calibre, up to 11inch guns! ALL the drawings of larger calibre guns had them in double turrets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] orlathebeast Beta Tester 630 posts 9,067 battles Report post #50 Posted July 6, 2016 finally, i hope ze germans fanboys will stop cring... ho, wait a moment. german fanboys allways cry... in case your sarcasm detector were broken: it's a joke btw we italians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
