[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #1 Posted June 30, 2016 Hey, I guess everyone here questioned the sanity of his teammates at some point and since we tend to notice and remember bad behaviour among them a lot more frequently, the answer to this question might actually not completely unbiased. So take a moment and imagine watching the average wows player in a normal game. How well does he perform? Does he maintain situational awareness? Does he react to certain (sudden) events in the correct way? How's his target prioritisation, aiming, angling, manouvering? And on a bigger scale: Does he use his ships resources in an efficient manner? Is he capable to be where he is needed most, or is he idling along, missing opportunities? 1 would be you pulling your hair out over how incredibly dumb the guy is. He basically didn't improve at all since his first day. 10 would be a truly unique, legendary player. He doesn't only do his job well, but comes up with surprising, creative solutions you didn't think of yourself. Every second of watching him is a real pleasure and you can't wait to have him on your team again. I'm curious! Show me what you think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #2 Posted June 30, 2016 No negatives? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #3 Posted June 30, 2016 Average player is, by definition, average. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Gojuadorai Players 2,832 posts 21,712 battles Report post #4 Posted June 30, 2016 by definition 5 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #5 Posted June 30, 2016 by definition 5 And why should the most common value be in the center of the scale or some mean average? http://www.perceptions.couk.com/damned_lies.html or is he idling along, missing opportunities? You forgot suiciding and/or dying in the most useless place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #6 Posted June 30, 2016 by definition 5 5 isnt the middle for a scale of 1 to 10..... it would be 5.5 which we dont have Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #7 Posted June 30, 2016 i think most people dont understand the question and are answering what is average (by definition mid), and not answering question that OP asked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #8 Posted June 30, 2016 Average player is, by definition, average. by definition 5 That's not how it works .. That's not how any of this works! Come on guys what would your poor math teachers say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #9 Posted June 30, 2016 7-8. I've had the misfortune of never seeing one of those noob battleship drivers sailing in straight lines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #10 Posted June 30, 2016 i think most people dont understand the question and are answering what is average (by definition mid), and not answering question that OP asked. I wouldn't even try to automatically fit players into Gaussian/bell curve in this kind of thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zed_Von_Toza Players 326 posts 1,155 battles Report post #11 Posted June 30, 2016 Kann_Nix_Extreme. What tier are you asking about? I'm around T5 - 6 atm and see players at T8 in prem ships like a Tirpitz play on a 2-3. I also see what I would call a 7-8's But I cant say what is a 10 because I know I'm not that good myself I still make lots of mistakes. It's difficult to pick out individual players and score them, but its easier to score a whole team. I've played in 1's and 10's on that basis, Sometimes you just see a team disperse and think O [edited]no, this is just going to end badly. I used to try and use the battle chat to say so but since its mostly ignored or you get a negative response, I just try to adapt and take as many of the enemy to meet Davy Jones with me. They are the 1 score teams. Then I see the opposite, a team working together watching out for each other, and it just feels right. They are the 10's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #12 Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Average player is, by definition, average. 5 it is.. Did I miss something in OP or am I thick? edit: i think most people dont understand the question and are answering what is average (by definition mid), and not answering question that OP asked. Hey, I guess everyone here questioned the sanity of his teammates at some point and since we tend to notice and remember bad behaviour among them a lot more frequently, the answer to this question might actually not completely unbiased. So take a moment and imagine watching the average wows player in a normal game. How well does he perform? Does he maintain situational awareness? Does he react to certain (sudden) events in the correct way? How's his target prioritisation, aiming, angling, manouvering? And on a bigger scale: Does he use his ships resources in an efficient manner? Is he capable to be where he is needed most, or is he idling along, missing opportunities? 1 would be you pulling your hair out over how incredibly dumb the guy is. He basically didn't improve at all since his first day. 10 would be a truly unique, legendary player. He doesn't only do his job well, but comes up with surprising, creative solutions you didn't think of yourself. Every second of watching him is a real pleasure and you can't wait to have him on your team again. I'm curious! Show me what you think I think this is pretty conclusive. Average player is average. Yes, if you're a 'better' player you will see more players as bad ( as compared to your own view point ) and vice verse. But that's already out of the scope of the given question. Edited June 30, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #13 Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) edit: double post sorry Edited June 30, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #14 Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) 5 it is.. Did I miss something in OP or am I thick? yes. i think he was asking what level of skill average player has. and by that i mean how much is average player using % of ship capacity. how much performance can he get out of his ships. most people interpret question how would you rate average player on scale 1-10 (which is definition 5 and pointless question altogether) Edited June 30, 2016 by robihr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTES] ShuggieHamster [BOTES] Players 807 posts 13,196 battles Report post #15 Posted June 30, 2016 average is sinking 4/100k damage one game and none/20k the next average is hitting that perfect blind shot citadel at 18km then missing at 8km. average is pulling a perfect drop and getting 6-7-8 torp hits + flooding ... and then missing your next drop so completely you are a danger to allied shipping average is stafing 3 sqdns out the sky on one run then missing for the rest of the game average is tanking 80k damage (with heals) in your Fuso then getting yourself citted cause you time your turn badly I know cause I am average ... some good games some bad and the average of that is ... well, average, 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #16 Posted June 30, 2016 yes. i think he was asking what level of skill average player has. and by that i mean how much is average player using % of ship capacity. how much performance can he get out of his ships. most people interpret question how would you rate average player on scale 1-10 (which is definition 5 and pointless question altogether) His question was not what you're asking, and what you're asking can not get a singular answer since it is all on a per case basis ( ship/player/map/'time of day and alignment of the stars' ). If you want to discuss actual performance of a person, you can go into details about that, if you want to talk 'statistical' you can only say 'average in a fixed scale is median value'. average is sinking 4/100k damage one game and none/20k the next average is hitting that perfect blind shot citadel at 18km then missing at 8km. average is pulling a perfect drop and getting 6-7-8 torp hits + flooding ... and then missing your next drop so completely you are a danger to allied shipping average is stafing 3 sqdns out the sky on one run then missing for the rest of the game average is tanking 80k damage (with heals) in your Fuso then getting yourself citted cause you time your turn badly I know cause I am average ... some good games some bad and the average of that is ... well, average, Exactly. Situational and per case basis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #17 Posted June 30, 2016 (which is definition 5 and pointless question altogether) BUT 5 ISNT THE MIDDLE OF A 1 to 10 SCALE 5/10 might sound like normal but only if there is a 0 in it. So 5 in this case is not average. Am i the only one seeing this here ? 1--2--3--4--5--6--7--8--9--10 Average for this scaling is 5.5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #18 Posted June 30, 2016 BUT 5 ISNT THE MIDDLE OF A 1 to 10 SCALE 5/10 might sound like normal but only if there is a 0 in it. So 5 in this case is not average. Am i the only one seeing this here ? 1--2--3--4--5--6--7--8--9--10 Average for this scaling is 5.5 dont nitpick. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJ_Die Players 930 posts 9,329 battles Report post #19 Posted June 30, 2016 7-8. I've had the misfortune of never seeing one of those noob battleship drivers sailing in straight lines ive met quite a few like this Montana driver happily sailing into 10 of my Benson's torps and then without reacting proceeding to collect 8, die, and [edited]about OP DDs....despite having as least several minutes to just turn.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #20 Posted June 30, 2016 His question was not what you're asking, and what you're asking can not get a singular answer since it is all on a per case basis ( ship/player/map/'time of day and alignment of the stars' ). If you want to discuss actual performance of a person, you can go into details about that, if you want to talk 'statistical' you can only say 'average in a fixed scale is median value'. Exactly. Situational and per case basis. Hey, I guess everyone here questioned the sanity of his teammates at some point and since we tend to notice and remember bad behaviour among them a lot more frequently, the answer to this question might actually not completely unbiased. So take a moment and imagine watching the average wows player in a normal game. How well does he perform? Does he maintain situational awareness? Does he react to certain (sudden) events in the correct way? How's his target prioritisation, aiming, angling, manouvering? And on a bigger scale: Does he use his ships resources in an efficient manner? Is he capable to be where he is needed most, or is he idling along, missing opportunities? 1 would be you pulling your hair out over how incredibly dumb the guy is. He basically didn't improve at all since his first day. 10 would be a truly unique, legendary player. He doesn't only do his job well, but comes up with surprising, creative solutions you didn't think of yourself. Every second of watching him is a real pleasure and you can't wait to have him on your team again. I'm curious! Show me what you think i think it is. he was not asking how well average player is performing compared to total player population, but how average player is performing on absolute scale of skills when you watch him. sure it is complex question and differs from case to case basis, but overall you can draw some conclusions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BABBY] StringWitch Beta Tester 1,608 posts Report post #21 Posted June 30, 2016 Average player in co-op: 2 Average player in randoms: 4 I'd like to see a higher standard of play overall, and more reasons for good players to dive into PvE. I suppose both things will come with time as the game ages and as more content is added. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Gojuadorai Players 2,832 posts 21,712 battles Report post #22 Posted June 30, 2016 And why should the most common value be in the center of the scale or some mean average? http://www.perceptions.couk.com/damned_lies.html 5 isnt the middle for a scale of 1 to 10..... it would be 5.5 which we dont have That's not how it works .. That's not how any of this works! Come on guys what would your poor math teachers say? .... SRY i thought i didnt have to mention that skill is normaly distributed among players . in which case average and mean are the same. and btw its 5 ... it's not my fault OP forgot to include the 0 ..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,556 posts 1,924 battles Report post #23 Posted June 30, 2016 I say 5 because the average player seem to do well just as much as they seem to do badly. Then again, this might be do to that majority of people on both teams are average, so average players fighting average players... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #24 Posted June 30, 2016 .... SRY i thought i didnt have to mention that skill is normaly distributed among players . in which case average and mean are the same. Actually depending on MM luck if checked more comprehensively I suspect distribution might end toward result of one class in certain electric engineering related exam with scale from 1 to 5: Dozen at 2/below Shy handful at 4-5 Few in between. How's that for distribution? Though not so nice thought that some of those class mates might be actually doing some electric installations... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #25 Posted June 30, 2016 i would say somewhere between 3-4. there are too many casuals that bring down skill level of average player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
