Japanese Destroyers need some love

[ghostbuster_]

 

My god you are ignorant. You are ignorant and incapable of reading. Your lack of reading disturbs me. You are trolling now. 

you are saying that they need buffs  and i say they dont. so whats your problem?

[Userext]

you are saying that they need buffs  and i say they dont. so whats your problem?

 

i am saying that they need little buffs to make them better. To make the game balanced. 

[AttiliusRex]

 

i am saying that they need little buffs to make them better. To make the game balanced. 

I think Fubuki and Shimakaze are fine, both have their pros and cons vs Benson and Gearing, but americans are better at playing the objective solo.

 

But Fletcher is just straight out better than Kagero

[ghostbuster_]

 

i am saying that they need little buffs to make them better. To make the game balanced. 

 

and im saying they are good enough people has to learn how to play them.

[DominusEdwardius]

And that is your opinion and you are fully entitled too it, it doesn't mean though it is correct or incorrect and that is the point of this thread but please do try to keep an open mind to other peoples opinions

 

[ghostbuster_]

you are right but some people are just whining about ships just because they cant play them. i have even seen people claming that yamato needs a buff. 

[Takeda92]

Btw, what is IJP supposed to be? I never heard that one before. People use IJN to refer to Japanese ships.

[ColonelPete]

you are saying that they need buffs  and i say they dont. so whats your problem?

 

That you are ignorant of facts.

[22cm]

Tier 6-10 JP DDs are the worst performing DDs on their tier,  statistically both for average and top players. This is true. 

On tier 2-5 they are OK,  but it is not worth grinding any higher than that. 

[ghostbuster_]

tier 8-10 IJP DDs are monsters on right hands. statistics doesnt mean that those ships are crap and not worth to grind.

[Userext]

tier 8-10 IJP DDs are monsters on right hands. statistics doesnt mean that those ships are crap and not worth to grind.

 

OK i will speak from your language. WG nerfed shimakaze if we compare the current one and the older one(10 months ago). But they were also the geniuses who looked at their stats and buff the ship at 0.5.3 so you can see that they suck at balancing ships. 

 

T8 Fubuki- Current situation? Not really good. Compared to benson its not at an equal level. Despite it having 3x3 torps etc it still needs that speed buff 35 to 38. Its not capable of getting close to enemy ships because you can do it only a few times before you run out of consumables. Dont tell me the historical bullstuff. Khabarovsk according to history only did 42 without anything. It was just a speed test without the load. But it has that speed in game for "balancing"

 

T9:Kagero- Current situation? Worse than mutsuki. I dont like mutsuki that much but its still at a place where CV isnt that strong and players arent that smart. Kagero? Well...

You lose one torpedo tube(2x4) and one launcher. What do you get to compansate that? Nothing

Stock torps have 67 knots with 10km range.... I would understand 76 knots, 10km torps but this is just useless. Because at 10km in 10 situations that you will be in 7 of them will be against cruisers 2 of them will be against destroyers and 1 will be against battleships.

2nd torps have 62 knots with 20km range the reaction time stays the same it doesnt stop the long range torpedo spam the people were whining about. But probably the best of all 3 configrations if you have 2nd captain skill.

3rd torps have 76 knots with 8km range.... What am i supposed to hit with worse guns and shorter range torpedoes? 

Guns? The DPM stays same with fubuki. And they are worse since 30 sec rotation. You cant fire back because you need to dodge.

Want to know the funny thing? Fletcher with upgraded torps have better damage per salvo and damage per minute for torpedoes and for shells than kagero(as long as fletcher has upgraded torps kagero cant beat fletcher's DPM or DPS even if fletcher had stock ones kagero has to have the 3rd torpedo option to beat the DPM DPS on torps)

Fletcher is faster and more maneuverable

Fletcher is more detectable with 600 meters but thats not a big problem with the upgrade(not skill) it goes down from 7.4 to 6.66 while kagero's goes down from 6.8 to 6.12

 

T10 Shimakaze current situation? Not too bad. Still better than kagero. It just needs that concealment tweak(400 meters better concealment) 

 

Edit: Anything is a monster in the right hands. But you cant expect an average soldier to pull the same trick the majors do with handgun against assault rifles.

[22cm]

tier 8-10 IJP DDs are monsters on right hands. statistics doesnt mean that those ships are crap and not worth to grind.

 

Only that 8-10 RU or US DDs are even bigger monsters then them in the right hands.

I happened to do OK in some UP ships,  but that does not mean my own personal experience as only 1 player has any relevance compared with the statistics,  and I understand this very well. 

 

[ghostbuster_]

after that much talk i decided to do some battles with shimakaze today. first of all im not a good DD player, i would define myself as an average DD player. one of those games was not good just because my team was really really strong. nothing left to do and one of those games was really good. i want to share it here. 

 

so its a good ship. and as an average DD player i didnt have any problems with spotting those gearings and shimakazes.  unfotunately my div mate got bad luck and hit by a random torpedo. 

 

the result of 4 battles:                                                                                                                                 

 

 

 

 

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Userext, on 04 July 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

T8 Fubuki- Current situation? Not really good. Compared to benson its not at an equal level. Despite it having 3x3 torps etc it still needs that speed buff 35 to 38. Its not capable of getting close to enemy ships because you can do it only a few times before you run out of consumables. Dont tell me the historical bullstuff. Khabarovsk according to history only did 42 without anything. It was just a speed test without the load. But it has that speed in game for "balancing"

 

Fubuki is great if you know what you are doing. I've even started gunning down Bensons. Yes, you read that right. Just keep them at +6km and kite. Them guns are sex. Inasmuch that I drive it as half torpedo half gunboat.

 

As for speed, yeah, it could use some love there. That is why I save all my speed flags for Fubuki and use them on it exclusively.

[ColonelPete]

so its a good ship. and as an average DD player i didnt have any problems with spotting those gearings and shimakazes.  unfotunately my div mate got bad luck and hit by a random torpedo.

 

So you had a pet gunboat for support. Yeah, sounds hard.

[ghostbuster_]

 

So you had a pet gunboat for support. Yeah, sounds hard.

 

he died to a random torpedo in the beginning. gearing and shimakazes were still alive when he died. and when you play shimakaze, are you alone against 12 players? you always get support if your do something for you team in return.

[22cm]

Proves nothing. I can also post the result of one of my good Kagero games, played solo though.. And I still say Kagero is the worst tier 9 destroyer.

 

[ColonelPete]

Nope. You can go for cap and the rest of the team is too afraid to follow you. Maybe they think enemy torpedos teleport in front of them.

 

Btw, I did this in a Tier VII gunboat in a standard battle (no caps) today:

 

 

[plammbeach]

Yes fubuki is a really bad ship and needs some buffs.!

 

Again Userext, just because you are having a hard time playing dd's, doesnt mean they are in a bad spot.

[22cm]

^ I don t have a bad time playing DDs and I agree with him. Stop getting personal.

You dont understand at all how statistics work. The fact that the few good results posted here ARE NOT influencing the overall stats of those ships is not wondering you?

[plammbeach]

^ I don t have a bad time playing DDs and I agree with him. Stop getting personal.

You dont understand at all how statistics work. The fact that the few good results posted here ARE NOT influencing the overall stats of those ships is not wondering you?

 

I really dont get the problem with japs dd!? - just because some ships requires abit more patience and skills, is = that they are in dire need of a buff.. comeon..!

[22cm]

^ My time is too precious. Best luck.

[ColonelPete]

 

I really dont get the problem with japs dd!? - just because some ships requires abit more patience and skills, is = that they are in dire need of a buff.. comeon..!

 

The captains of some of the good performing ships muss be mostly experts then. Just because they perform well, does not mean these ships are more powerful.

Once again WG does not need to change any ships. They are all equally powerful, they just have differently skilled players.

[ghostbuster_]

Nope. You can go for cap and the rest of the team is too afraid to follow you. Maybe they think enemy torpedos teleport in front of them.

 

Btw, I did this in a Tier VII gunboat in a standard battle (no caps) today:

if you spot for them and call the spotted DD as target. they would shoot it. and never said that kiev as a bad ship. i posted that pictures because people were talking about IJP DDs being bad.

[Takeda92]

No one noticed that for the last few days this thread has been a broken record? none of you are adding anything new to the argument anymore.

 

We've said what we think and our opinion on the matter. You guys are not developers who are arguing if a ship should get buffed or not.