Matchmaker on krokodil?

[Brainzzzzz]

I really can't tell you how much fun we had, how great this experience was. I learned so many things today, just wow!

Did you know that if you have no DD, the enemy does not have to fear surprise torpedo attacks?

Did you know that if you have no DD and the enemy has 2, they do not have to fear detection by surface ships?

Did you know that 3 Yamatos beat 2 Iowa and an Amagi?

Did you know that Carriers really have much more freedom to attack you if there are only half the ships in the game?

 

Why do I not get a survey concerning Matchmaker after such a battle?

 

Btw: I could go on about the potatoes in our team, but that has nothing to do with MM. And the enemy had some as well...

 

 

 

[DasTongle]

+ 1

It was such great fun to enjoy getting facefisted by a yamato then eat torps from a shimakaze and while doing that getting divebombed.... it's without words how much i enjoy this new and improved matchmaker that still can not deal with divisons.

[Reyte]

I really can't tell you how much fun we had, how great this experience was. I learned so many things today, just wow!

Did you know that if you have no DD, the enemy does not have to fear surprise torpedo attacks?

Did you know that if you have no DD and the enemy has 2, they do not have to fear detection by surface ships?

Did you know that 3 Yamatos beat 2 Iowa and an Amagi?

Did you know that Carriers really have much more freedom to attack you if there are only half the ships in the game?

 

Why do I not get a survey concerning Matchmaker after such a battle?

 

Btw: I could go on about the potatoes in our team, but that has nothing to do with MM. And the enemy had some as well...

 

 

 

 

MM like this happens, when one of the cvs waited beyond 3 minutes into queue and another CV joins. MM can get worse if one CV waits even longer. I already had 1vs1, 3vs3 or 1vs3

 

So a none idiotic cv player should always requque once reaching 3 minutes of queue time.

[ilhilh]

If you insist on having mixed tiers in your division this type thing is more likely to happen (particularly point 4 about the BB matching)

[Brainzzzzz]

 

MM like this happens, when one of the cvs waited beyond 3 minutes into queue and another CV joins. MM can get worse if one CV waits even longer. I already had 1vs1, 3vs3 or 1vs3

 

So a none idiotic cv player should always requque once reaching 3 minutes of queue time.

 

You are right - the Carrier Cpt should do. Sadly, some of the potatoes were CV Cpt. And tbh: the Matchmaker should f..king sort that out by himself and get rid of such things. This is just ridiculous if the MM is dependent on the wit of players to requeue, don't you think?

[LilJumpa]

 

 

Did you know that 3 Yamatos beat 2 Iowa and an Amagi?

 

 

Did you know that if you division up with lower tier ships, the matchmaker treats you like a division of the highest ship tier?

 

 

Guess not since you come here whining.

 

 

[Agantas]

Those are not regular tier 9 Iowas, those are tier 10 Iowas. So that's 2 tier 10 BBs vs 3 tier 10 BBs. Would have been better to give the Amagi to the other team, though.

[o0_ANTI_0o]

Oh how fun this match was

Its also always refreshing to see your 100+ AA Iowa with extra 10%AA damage flag go completly helpless against planes because even if i have a theoretical aa of 120-140 you cant even shoot down a single squat of torpedo bombers of an Hakuryu before it can drop its torps on your helpless aa fortress

[DasTongle]

 

 

Did you know that if you division up with lower tier ships, the matchmaker trerats you like a division of the highest ship tier?

 

 

Guess not since you come here whining.

 

 

 

Indeed, then why is the Shimakaze matched WITH it's counter, why is the Amagi not simply put over and a divisionless Yamato switched over, that are two things that no matter what division is playing is beyond logical and an easy thing to fix. Even the tier discrepancy is not my problem with this MM. The Pure here the one team gets rock paper and scissors and your team gets a bunch of rocks and some paper.

[Reyte]

Oh how fun this match was

Its also always refreshing to see your 100+ AA Iowa with extra 10%AA damage flag go completly helpless against planes because even if i have a theoretical aa of 120-140 you cant even shoot down a single squat of torpedo bombers of an Hakuryu before it can drop its torps on your helpless aa fortress

 

well cruiser ve aa ability, with hidneburg u should v ebeen fine. THat beeing said I would see the yaam as more of an issue.

 

[Agantas]

Oh how fun this match was

Its also always refreshing to see your 100+ AA Iowa with extra 10%AA damage flag go completly helpless against planes because even if i have a theoretical aa of 120-140 you cant even shoot down a single squat of torpedo bombers of an Hakuryu before it can drop its torps on your helpless aa fortress

 

That's because Hakuryu squats have their heels properly on the ground, like slav squats. They aren't on their toes.

[Brainzzzzz]

 

 

Did you know that if you division up with lower tier ships, the matchmaker treats you like a division of the highest ship tier?

 

 

Guess not since you come here whining.

 

 

 

Well... see, I was really liking your posts so far, especially the compendium on http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/49421-new-spotting-mechanics-guide-rework-patch-055/#topmost

This has nothing to do with whining good Sir. I don't have a problem to be treated like a T10 Iowa, I've been through worse situations.  But the MM did not give any counters to the Yamatos OR/AND the DD's

 

I really, really hate it when someone comes along and tags something as whining. This is just blatantly unfriendly.

[ilhilh]

Also, you are aware of the new matchmaker right?  The one that arrives in the next patch?

[LilJumpa]

 

Indeed, then why is the Shimakaze matched WITH it's counter, why is the Amagi not simply put over and a divisionless Yamato switched over, that are two things that no matter what division is playing is beyond logical and an easy thing to fix. Even the tier discrepancy is not my problem with this MM. The Pure here the one team gets rock paper and scissors and your team gets a bunch of rocks and some paper.

 

You F$%& 'ed up the wanky MM algorithm by yourself, playing in a mixed  high tier division  at a time where most people are playing ranked and , I guess since you are all here at the same time, on one of the first summer afternoons in middle europe.

 

Suit yourself. The MM is certainly not the best, but stupidity beats every algorithm.

 

Well... see, I was really liking your posts so far, especially the compendium on http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/49421-new-spotting-mechanics-guide-rework-patch-055/#topmost

This has nothing to do with whining good Sir. I don't have a problem to be treated like a T10 Iowa, I've been through worse situations.  But the MM did not give any counters to the Yamatos OR/AND the DD's

 

I really, really hate it when someone comes along and tags something as whining. This is just blatantly unfriendly.

 

 

Then please describe why you opened a topic, the 325869th about MM at least. For what reason?

[Brainzzzzz]

 

You F$%& 'ed up the wanky MM algorithm by yourself, playing in a mixed  high tier division  at a time where most people are playing ranked and , I guess since you are all here at the same time, on one of the first summer afternoons in middle europe.

 

Suit yourself. The MM is certainly not the best, but stupidity beats every algorithm.

 

If you would take the time to not only focus on the dispersion of T10 BBs you might see the sum of it all.

[DasTongle]

 

You F$%& 'ed up the wanky MM algorithm by yourself, playing in a mixed  high tier division  at a time where most people are playing ranked and , I guess since you are all here at the same time, on one of the first summer afternoons in middle europe.

 

Suit yourself. The MM is certainly not the best, but stupidity beats every algorithm.

 

No it does not, weighting and assigning values differing to things beats Algorithms. I also overread your  really bad try of insulting me, because as a Programmer i even know what can go wrong there. That still does show that if this simple thing can upset a matchmaker to not only fill up whole teams with 12 vs with T8 as it usually does. No it has a deeper problem with assigning correct values to the ships and match it puts them in. As you overlooked in all the previous things said, no one has a Problem facing Yamatos, But if all counters for said Yamato are either 1:1 matched or with the Yamato the Matchmaking is off. Have a nice day anyway.

[Agantas]

 

If you would take the time to not only focus on the dispersion of T10 BBs you might see the sum of it all.

 

I have two solutions of fixing this:

1. Swap the places of Shimakaze and Zao with each other.

 

2. Move Amagi, Yamato, Fubuki and Zao into the opposite teams.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

That looks like a late night MM. I feel the pain...

 

Nothing any BB can do vs a good Hakuryu except get torped either!

[LilJumpa]

 

No it does not, weighting and assigning values differing to things beats Algorithms. I also overread your  really bad try of insulting me, because as a Programmer i even know what can go wrong there. That still does show that if this simple thing can upset a matchmaker to not only fill up whole teams with 12 vs with T8 as it usually does. No it has a deeper problem with assigning correct values to the ships and match it puts them in. As you overlooked in all the previous things said, no one has a Problem facing Yamatos, But if all counters for said Yamato are either 1:1 matched or with the Yamato the Matchmaking is off. Have a nice day anyway.

 

Counters..... please don't tell me you still believe in that rock, scissors, stone, spock stuff after 3k games. The Zao in this matchup, together with the Hindenburg, could have a field day, because the 2 DDs can't do much with 4 CVs in play. Zaos counter Yamatos nowadays.

 

As Reyte already wrote, the CV mirroring in combination with the max queue time  is mainly responsible for matches with less than 12 ships. In higher Tier it also strongly depends on the amount of players. If the max queue time is reached the MM- algorithm ignores its own rules and opens a game immediatly with everything he can find.

 

 

 

[BrushWolf2]

As a que dump goes this isn't bad and most of the problem is from the mixed tier division. This was a self inflicted wound.

[daki]

Step 1. Player screws up MM by having multi tier division

Step 2. Player comes to forum to whine 

 

Just one of the countless threads with the same old boring whine.

 

The only original thing I guess is that you used "krokodil" narcotics to describe the MM.

However I neither find it funny, nor particularly witty.

 

 

[Egoleter]

But the MM did not give any counters to the Yamatos OR/AND the DD's

 

Your BBs as they were treated like tier X ships, were the counter to those Yamatos. You divisioning like you did, made them T-X ships. The equivalent to the Yamatos.

 

The only thing the MM could have done differently is to give you one of the DDs instead of placing them both in the same team. But that would have disturbed the tier distribution and you might have complained anyway if you had recieved the Fubuki.

 

For the Matchmaker there were 1 tier VIII on both sides, 2 tier IX on both sides, and 5 tier X on both sides. While not equal by class, it was equal by tier as far as the MM was concerned.

 

Your division threw the MM into disarray. That's all there is to say about this.

[Brainzzzzz]

Why does everyone assume I am whining, and why do you only pick the line of the BBs to argue. If you are not interested in a normal discussion, please move on. If you come to seek humor, daki, move on. Germans don't have humor.

 

I was reffering to getting 2 carriers in a 8 vs 8 a problem. No one is reffering to that. The fact that a MM algorithm allows a 2:0 dispersion in the game from a single class is neglected in almost all replies.

 

My thread may be salty, but not whining. This seems to be a common reflex around here to just jump on someone that is asking/stating something. I mean, I was not saying anything like 'russian bias' or 'yamato is op, please remove' etc. I did however pioint out a worst case scenario that hit us hard.

 

[daki]

Why does everyone assume I am whining, and why do you only pick the line of the BBs to argue. If you are not interested in a normal discussion, please move on. If you come to seek humor, daki, move on. Germans don't have humor.

 

 

 

Its because we have probably about 10-15 such threads in the first few pages of the forum.

Its a topic which has been "discussed" ad nauseam since early beta.

Last but not least, mentioning "krokodil" in the topic name definitely does not suggest that you wanted to have a "normal discussion" but rather to just troll, make fun...

 

[Krizmuz]

BBs are truly dying as a class