Free camera in spectator mode

[cro_pwr]

Well, since we all like bashing on WG (I really wonder why ), I think we should give them props for an ocasional good job
Just tried out new free camera mode, and its simply fantastic.

not too slow, not too fast, you can see EVERYTHING, you can easily maneuver with it, easily get to the place / angle that you want to, and all of that feels... simply put, SMOOTH.

Well done WG, this is seriously a great job and a really nice observation tool.

[Srle_Vigilante]

Yep i agree, very nice addition.

[WhiskeyWolf]

Well, since we all like bashing on WG (I really wonder why ), I think we should give them props for an ocasional good job

Just tried out new free camera mode, and its simply fantastic.

not too slow, not too fast, you can see EVERYTHING, you can easily maneuver with it, easily get to the place / angle that you want to, and all of that feels... simply put, SMOOTH.

Well done WG, this is seriously a great job and a really nice observation tool.

 

That's good to hear. Can't wait to try it out when I get back home.

[eliastion]

Yeah, this is probably the great addition to the game since minimap range circles  

It was great on test server and it's great here.

[ShuggieHamster]

add a functional replay system and every WoWs youtuber is going to turn into James Cameron/JJ Abrams overnight! 

 

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

Personally I think it's going to be a problem in teambattles and sorts. It's going to be a spy-tool for already killed teammates to give extra information about the enemy. 

 

If your dead you shouldn't have power to influence the game.

 

It's okay as pure spectator tool. But you shouldn't have the possibility to communicate with your teammates. 

[cro_pwr]

Personally I think it's going to be a problem in teambattles and sorts. It's going to be a spy-tool for already killed teammates to give extra information about the enemy. 

 

If your dead you shouldn't have power to influence the game.

 

It's okay as pure spectator tool. But you shouldn't have the possibility to communicate with your teammates. 

 

ok are you kidding me now?

if your teammates are so blind that they need 1 dead "wingman" to tell them whats happening around, then by all means I'm not afraid of that influence.

[Niibler]

Personally I think it's going to be a problem in teambattles and sorts. It's going to be a spy-tool for already killed teammates to give extra information about the enemy. 

 

If your dead you shouldn't have power to influence the game.

 

It's okay as pure spectator tool. But you shouldn't have the possibility to communicate with your teammates. 

 

You can only see the enemy ships IF and ONLY IF they are spotted by your friendlies...

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

 

ok are you kidding me now?

if your teammates are so blind that they need 1 dead "wingman" to tell them whats happening around, then by all means I'm not afraid of that influence.

 

The observer will see much more than you over great distances. He will see if a ship behind you is aiming for you while you are battling an other ship. He will see in greater detail when you are changing course or speed.

 

Teams with teamspeak will have a huge advantage.

 

Like I said dead is dead!!!

[cro_pwr]

 

The observer will see much more than you over great distances. He will see if a ship behind you is aiming for you while you are battling an other ship. He will see in greater detail when you are changing course or speed.

 

Teams with teamspeak will have a huge advantage.

 

Like I said dead is dead!!!

 

oh god.

 

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

 

You can only see the enemy ships IF and ONLY IF they are spotted by your friendlies...

 

 

But now you can look at 1 enemy while the dead teamplayer can look  in great detail the other ships and warn when other ships that you aren't looking at are firing at you. And yes I know it's only about already spotted ships. But spotted doesn't mean "ships that you are looking at".

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

 

oh god.

 

 

 A dead member becoming unlimited spotterplanes. 

 

If this was a mod people would call it a cheat and they were cheated out of a win. That's my view on it.

[cro_pwr]

 

 A dead member becoming unlimited spotterplanes. 

 

If this was a mod people would call it a cheat and they were cheated out of a win. That's my view on it.

 

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[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

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[cro_pwr]

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ok, I've tried...

Its NOT gonna be a "SPY TOOL" because he will see only what your teammates allready see. SPY TOOL would be something like maphack that will allow you to give up position of undetected enemies etc.

you WILL NOT be able to influence the game since... well... you are dead you know... you cannot shoot / scout / detect / cap etc. you can only observe. And that is what you have been able to do since WoWs came out, the only difference is that its better done now. And why would you even need Teamspeak, you have your chat. you know you can write while you are dead? ever tried it? it works you know...

The observer will not see more then me over greater distances. (OK, he will to some extent, but its completely irrelevant because if I cannot see something, it doesn't bother me, since its out of range to shoot me anyway). UNLESS its shooting while undetected, and then observer can't see him anyway because, you know, hes undetected.

I don't need (and I belive most of experienced players don't) someone else yelling me over TS "WATCH OUT HE IS AIMING AT YOU!!!!". In fact, it would only distract me from my fight. I can check all of that alone if I really need to, it takes like 2 sec only anyway. And in what greater detail? He will tell me "WATCH OUT HES AIMING 1 KM IN FRONT OF YOU, DROP YOUR SPEED TO 1/4 TO DODGE HIS SHELLS!!!"? If you can see that just by looking at someones ship, then I salute you.

Teams with Teamspeak will have huge advantage. - You do know that in EVERY serious game, EVERY even semi serious team allready has TS or some other meaning of communication?

 

"But now you can only look at 1 ship while dead player has the advantage"    Just lol... You do know you can turn your camera with (you would never guessed) your mouse? and yes, you can do it even while fighting someone else, and every good player is doing exactly that inbetween reloads so he knows whats happening around him. If you need help with your map awareness / situational awareness then by all means open another topic and ask for help there, and I'll gladly help you there.

A dead member IS NOT unlimited spotter plane, because as I said allready, he can only see what you can see yourself. and even if he is able to see something on the other side of map, thats not your concerne because you should be concentrated on thing closer to you (you have your minimap to check whats happening on the other side of map).

And why should there be a mod that would be considered a cheat when its (as noted before) only a polished version of a tool that was implemented in game allready, and nobody cried about it.

 

 

And now when I answered all of this, tell me one thing please. all of that observations and your views on the matter are coming from a large amount of team battles you participated in / watched, or you are just barking things out without ever trying it?

 

My advice is, go check some videos of high skilled teams playing, then come back and tell me they need dead guy spotting for them to get an advantage.

[tomkrist]

Well, 4bombs has a point here. Here i see an advance to the team of players keeping on after they are dead instead of jumping
back to the port. Getting info about who is pointed at with gun etc...I myself stays in the battle if i see a change that
our team can win and the reason is that some players actually listen.

 

But then, the other team can do the exatcly same so there is no advance for it,

 

 

[XbodzioXplX]

I agree that new "death-cam" is nice.

But still the upgrades and new content is adding so slowly...

 

We still don't have:

- dmg number while in battle.

- smoke circles and it's duration.

- system clock while in battle (there is only remaining battle timer).

- transparent map

- tiers and hp of the ships in side panels

 

And I believe we have more usefull things ;)

 

What is funny - those things are in mods so it is possible to do. We asked for it several times and... the sea is calm ;)

 

Cheers guys

[eliastion]

I don't agree that there's absolutely no way to influence game by providing some crucial bit of information. But the value of that is very small - and advantage of doing that with new rather than old spectator cam is even smaller. Yes, occasionally it may be useful if a DD is informed that a certain BB after his last shot is turning turrets to where that HE-spamming DD sails. But it's really, really not much.

 

Oh, and as for "if it was a mod, it would be cheating". Maybe that's right. But what about other functionalities? Last position markers - if they were a mod - would be cheating too. And "invisible enemy sunk" information if nobody saw the death. And knowledge of the composition of enemy team before the battle even starts. And if the game was built so that you need to actually spot rendered ships yourself (I mean, no name/healthbar/minimap icon for enemies) - can you imagine how game-breaking of a cheat would be a mod that makes markers and healthbars appear!?

 

But these are not mods and the same is the case for new spectator cam. It's part of the vanilla client. So even if there is a slight advantage in it - it's not an unfair advantage. And the "if it was a mod it would be cheating" argument is really, really weak...

After all, we do have enemy markers - there are some games that (at least in some game modes) don't display them. And we don't  have lead indicators* - while some other games do in fact have them. Both functionalities are definitely cheating in games that don't normally provide them - and both are ok in games that simply include them. That's how things work.

 

*for guns. We do, in fact, have a built-in aim-assist for torps. Imagine the advantage it would give to mod-users were it not something present in the game by default!

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

 

ok, I've tried...

Its NOT gonna be a "SPY TOOL" because he will see only what your teammates allready see. SPY TOOL would be something like maphack that will allow you to give up position of undetected enemies etc.

you WILL NOT be able to influence the game since... well... you are dead you know... you cannot shoot / scout / detect / cap etc. you can only observe. And that is what you have been able to do since WoWs came out, the only difference is that its better done now. And why would you even need Teamspeak, you have your chat. you know you can write while you are dead? ever tried it? it works you know...

The observer will not see more then me over greater distances. (OK, he will to some extent, but its completely irrelevant because if I cannot see something, it doesn't bother me, since its out of range to shoot me anyway). UNLESS its shooting while undetected, and then observer can't see him anyway because, you know, hes undetected.

I don't need (and I belive most of experienced players don't) someone else yelling me over TS "WATCH OUT HE IS AIMING AT YOU!!!!". In fact, it would only distract me from my fight. I can check all of that alone if I really need to, it takes like 2 sec only anyway. And in what greater detail? He will tell me "WATCH OUT HES AIMING 1 KM IN FRONT OF YOU, DROP YOUR SPEED TO 1/4 TO DODGE HIS SHELLS!!!"? If you can see that just by looking at someones ship, then I salute you.

Teams with Teamspeak will have huge advantage. - You do know that in EVERY serious game, EVERY even semi serious team allready has TS or some other meaning of communication?

 

"But now you can only look at 1 ship while dead player has the advantage"    Just lol... You do know you can turn your camera with (you would never guessed) your mouse? and yes, you can do it even while fighting someone else, and every good player is doing exactly that inbetween reloads so he knows whats happening around him. If you need help with your map awareness / situational awareness then by all means open another topic and ask for help there, and I'll gladly help you there.

A dead member IS NOT unlimited spotter plane, because as I said allready, he can only see what you can see yourself. and even if he is able to see something on the other side of map, thats not your concerne because you should be concentrated on thing closer to you (you have your minimap to check whats happening on the other side of map).

And why should there be a mod that would be considered a cheat when its (as noted before) only a polished version of a tool that was implemented in game allready, and nobody cried about it.

 

 

And now when I answered all of this, tell me one thing please. all of that observations and your views on the matter are coming from a large amount of team battles you participated in / watched, or you are just barking things out without ever trying it?

 

My advice is, go check some videos of high skilled teams playing, then come back and tell me they need dead guy spotting for them to get an advantage.

 

Just a little examples.

 

So you can see  over 15km distance if some canons/tro tubs are permanent damaged? But no problem anymore. Your dead teammate could tell you.

 

When you are looking to the south (aiming a cruiser), the battleship in the north is turning his canons toward you over 15km? With the new camera you don't even have to look . Your dead teammate just can tell you and you can stay focused on the other side . And he will see it better than you ever will.

 

Your dead teammate could tell you the moment the BB is firing at you with out you looking at that ship. And he will see it better than you ever will. No captain skill needed.

 

Your teammate could see if  the enemy has fired his torps on the other side of his ship and not at you. Your dead teammate could tell you that.

 

Torps fired at you. Your dead teammate could tell you the moment he fired it at you. Well before you ever detect them.

 

Sometimes it's hard to tell on first sight if a ship is moving or is staying still. No problem your dead teammate just can take a look and tell you. And he will be closer and will see it better than you ever will.

 

 

 

 

[daki]

Dear 4bombs, since you seem so concerned about its impact on TB, can you please explain how come we do not have already tons of rage threads about it?

Let me remind you that the camera was already in the game for long time (ctrl+rshift+backspace).

You could have used it even when alive...

 

So yeah, its a bit embarrassing trying so hard to create a big issue out of something which is not really an issue.

[cro_pwr]

 

Just a little examples.

 

So you can see  over 15km distance if some canons/tro tubs are permanent damaged? But no problem anymore. Your dead teammate could tell you.  Yes you can actually. and who even cares about that. (almost) Every ship in this game has at least 2 more guns to fire at you, so how will that influence your gameplay anyway?

 

When you are looking to the south (aiming a cruiser), the battleship in the north is turning his canons toward you over 15km? With the new camera you don't even have to look . Your dead teammate just can tell you and you can stay focused on the other side . And he will see it better than you ever will. If you are targeting a cruiser and not paying attention to that battleship 15km away from you, I have a bad news for you. You are doing it wrong.

 

Your dead teammate could tell you the moment the BB is firing at you with out you looking at that ship. And he will see it better than you ever will. No captain skill needed.  Once again, if you aren't paying attention to that BB, you are doing it wrong. your dead teammate yelling every time enemy ship shoots wont really help you in a battle.

 

Your teammate could see if  the enemy has fired his torps on the other side of his ship and not at you. Your dead teammate could tell you that.  Or you will never see that DD that is dropping torps, neither will your dead teammate. And if you saw him, so your dead teammate can see him as well that means he is detected and his torps are more or less detected as well. anyway, if you see enemy DD, press A or D from time to time, it helps.

 

Torps fired at you. Your dead teammate could tell you the moment he fired it at you. Well before you ever detect them. As said above, only if that DD is detected, and if he is, there is 90% chance that torps are detected as well.

 

Sometimes it's hard to tell on first sight if a ship is moving or is staying still. No problem your dead teammate just can take a look and tell you. And he will be closer and will see it better than you ever will. There are few simple solutions for that (aka smoke) but if you cant tell if ship is moving while you are alive, I wonder how being dead helps with that. but actually, this is probably the most "gamebraking" thing you mentioned so far.

 

 

 

 

Do not use red color when trying to make a point as red is reserved for WG use only

RogDodgeUK

 

 

And you didn't answer my question. not very polite of you you know.

And since we are arguing about this "cheats", I have to agree with you. I remember seeing all top WoWs teams having at least 2 dedicated suiciders / observers in their teams, because they are helping the team SO MUCH by observing that its a common practice to loose at least 2/7 ships at the start just to get that advantage.

 

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[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

Dear 4bombs, since you seem so concerned about its impact on TB, can you please explain how come we do not have already tons of rage threads about it?

Let me remind you that the camera was already in the game for long time (ctrl+rshift+backspace).

You could have used it even when alive...

 

So yeah, its a bit embarrassing trying so hard to create a big issue out of something which is not really an issue.

 

I have to admit I didn't know about the camera (ctrl+rshift+backspace) before the test-threat  and some people mentioned it.  And it isn't because it been already a long time in the game that I find it just. Don't people  point out things on this forum that they find wrong about the game? Even if they are already ages in the game.  So why would, something I find wrong, embarrass me? Don't I have that right?e

[daki]

 

I have to admit I didn't know about the camera (ctrl+rshift+backspace) before the test-threat  and some people mentioned it.  And it isn't because it been already a long time in the game that I find it just. Don't people  point out things on this forum that they find wrong about the game? Even if they are already ages in the game.  So why would, something I find wrong, embarrass me? Don't I have that right?e

 

Of course you have right to any opinion you wish. No one is disputing that.

However the majority of people here consider that it is a bit embarrassing when you talk about something you know very little about, and try hard to "prove" how right you are.

 

With 49 random battles and service record level 9 - which means you have 0 TB experience, very few will take your comments about the impact on TB seriously...

 

Next time I suggest that you reformulate your post, so if you think such an option will have an impact, basically just ask players with experience what they think about it.

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

 

And you didn't answer my question. not very polite of you you know.

And since we are arguing about this "cheats", I have to agree with you. I remember seeing all top WoWs teams having at least 2 dedicated suiciders / observers in their teams, because they are helping the team SO MUCH by observing that its a common practice to loose at least 2/7 ships at the start just to get that advantage.

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Who is speaking about dedicated self-murder ? I never  said 1 little thing about deliberately dying. I would say your jumping the gun here and are reading what you want to read.

 

All i'm saying I don't like the camera. The game doesn't need the camera in my opinion. And that people that are dead should stay dead.

 

[anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF]

 

Of course you have right to any opinion you wish. No one is disputing that.

However the majority of people here consider that it is a bit embarrassing when you talk about something you know very little about, and try hard to "prove" how right you are.

 

With 49 random battles and service record level 9 - which means you have 0 TB experience, very few will take your comments about the impact on TB seriously...

 

Next time I suggest that you reformulate your post, so if you think such an option will have an impact, basically just ask players with experience what they think about it.

 

People really have to make a difference between player-profile and the player. You to are jumping the gun and is taking conclusions to soon. Those 49 random battles only tell you about the 49 random battles with 4bombs. Let say i'm the type of person that likes to play with all nations but don't like to mix his food.