[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #1 Posted June 20, 2016 WG did not listen. Make some caps cappable only by cruisers or BBs. Destroyers are just too important because only they can cap without being spotted and focused down.. And by destroyers I mean gunboats, because with so many DDs ofcourse you are gonna pick a gunboat and not an IJN DD. Also, with their nerfed torps, i see no reason for higher tiered IJN DDs to have their guns tweaked a bit. Soery for the short post, im on my phone and could elaborate later. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamuka Beta Tester 337 posts 3,261 battles Report post #2 Posted June 20, 2016 What a terrible idea. The obvious thing would be to buff cruisers, so they could actually counter DDs. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SKRUB] Flukeyluke [SKRUB] Players 208 posts 12,194 battles Report post #3 Posted June 20, 2016 should add a NPC base in the center with strong weapons to encorage stronger ships to cap it rather than DDs. bbs and CAs could take it out quick with there decent AP shells but DDs would simply bounce off it. DDs would still have the north and south caps like currently to cap as normal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #4 Posted June 20, 2016 What a terrible idea. The obvious thing would be to buff cruisers, so they could actually counter DDs. That would skew the balance in normal battles. The problem is in ranked mostly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamuka Beta Tester 337 posts 3,261 battles Report post #5 Posted June 20, 2016 That would skew the balance in normal battles. The problem is in ranked mostly. No. The problem also exists in random. It just isn't as obvious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[3X] CosMoe Beta Tester 141 posts 21,402 battles Report post #6 Posted June 20, 2016 Had to switch to Kiev. As long as there are 3-cap maps like Shatter and as long as gunship DDs are the best counter to enemy DDs (no cruiser radar at tier7, except for Indiana) ranked gameplay will be heavily in favor of DDs. Hope that Wargaming will see this problem soon. I bet that Błyskawica sales are going nice for them though. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #7 Posted June 20, 2016 should add a NPC base in the center with strong weapons to encorage stronger ships to cap it rather than DDs. bbs and CAs could take it out quick with there decent AP shells but DDs would simply bounce off it. DDs would still have the north and south caps like currently to cap as normal And why wouldnt BBs take it out at 20-17 Km and DDs then still cap it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ROE] ButterflyHunter2020 Beta Tester 43 posts 12,573 battles Report post #8 Posted June 20, 2016 Atleast limit DDs to 3 per team in ranked. If there are 4 per team, there are smokes everywhere, nothing to see, nothing to shoot at, noone can spot a.. not fun. Especially frustrating in BB, as you see nothing if enemy lays smokes "better" (DD captains like to smoke the moment they are spotted, even when in no real danger..) you are under spam of invisible fires, citadels and occasionally torpedos whole game. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEAM_] Dampfboot Players 1,367 posts 11,386 battles Report post #9 Posted June 20, 2016 My stealth Hatsu and I have done ok so far, thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #10 Posted June 20, 2016 80% of the queue (Tier V/VI) consists of BBs, naturally that cruisers have a hard time and DDs have a field day. But that is not the DDs fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #11 Posted June 20, 2016 80% of the queue (Tier V/VI) consists of BBs, naturally that cruisers have a hard time and DDs have a field day. But that is not the DDs fault. Yet we dont see games with more than 2 BBs in them.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Ictogan Players 1,841 posts 7,432 battles Report post #12 Posted June 20, 2016 80% of the queue (Tier V/VI) consists of BBs, naturally that cruisers have a hard time and DDs have a field day. But that is not the DDs fault. Highlighted the important part. In the first league, there's almost exclusively DDs and BBs and almost no CAs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #13 Posted June 20, 2016 As long as there are so many people playing BBs and Cruisers that pussy away at the first sighting of an enemy DD, the DDs will rule supreme. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #14 Posted June 20, 2016 Yet we dont see games with more than 2 BBs in them.... there's a cap of 1 Cv and 2 BB for ranked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[3X] Spithas Players 887 posts 12,804 battles Report post #15 Posted June 20, 2016 there's a cap of 1 Cv and 2 BB for ranked. There is no such thing. I have seen matches with 3 BBs aplenty and if i recall correctly i have seen one with 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamirezKurita Players 1,130 posts 2,612 battles Report post #16 Posted June 20, 2016 there's a cap of 1 Cv and 2 BB for ranked. That's team battles you are thinking of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamuka Beta Tester 337 posts 3,261 battles Report post #17 Posted June 20, 2016 MM starts to ignore its rules once people wait over 5 minutes, so you can see more than 2 BBs per side in ranked, but it's rare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #18 Posted June 20, 2016 More nerfs for DDs ->more BBs->even less CAs->More reason to play DD->more BB mafia whining about DDs->return to step #1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonmd Players 801 posts 1,673 battles Report post #19 Posted June 21, 2016 More nerfs for DDs ->more BBs->even less CAs->More reason to play DD->more BB mafia whining about DDs->return to step #1 Exactly, OP, stop whining. I havent been in a Ranked battle yet that had more than 2 DDs on each side. This usualy results in one to each cap point and one of them finding out the hard way that the enemy team are all going for his. This usualy results in each side loosing a DD in the first part of the battle leaving just one per side, yea, SO dominant! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[K2NGS] Fredater Players 25 posts 10,407 battles Report post #20 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) After rank 15 i mostly play Saipan. So far nothing more rewarding for me then a team full of DDs Edited June 21, 2016 by Sir_Wilson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_yABmLAWoZ6QF Players 68 posts Report post #21 Posted June 21, 2016 Never played ranked. But it would be nice that spotterplanes could be directed to a certain point on the map instead of flying circles around the ship. Yes as long you don't give them a point to circle they should circle your ship. But the moment you give them a point (I would limit the max distance) they should go spotting on that point (and only 1 point each time). This would be a beautiful countermeasure against hidden DD's. And it's not absolute because you only have 2 to 3 airplanes and a long time limit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #22 Posted June 21, 2016 There is no such thing. I have seen matches with 3 BBs aplenty and if i recall correctly i have seen one with 4. That's team battles you are thinking of. From original ranked battles release notes: " All you need to do is pick a ship, select “Ranked Battles”, and join the Battle! Ranked Battles are slightly different from their standard counterparts: each team can have no more than 7 players, and the maximum number of aircraft carriers and battleships is limited to one and two respectively." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #23 Posted June 21, 2016 Highlighted the important part. In the first league, there's almost exclusively DDs and BBs and almost no CAs. Thats why i completely raped everything with Kirov. But aside from that, its pretty much BB BB CA DD DD DD DD in every team i get into in second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MBSSX] OldschoolGaming_YouTube Beta Tester 3,274 posts 16,879 battles Report post #24 Posted June 21, 2016 WG did not listen. Make some caps cappable only by cruisers or BBs. Destroyers are just too important because only they can cap without being spotted and focused down.. And by destroyers I mean gunboats, because with so many DDs ofcourse you are gonna pick a gunboat and not an IJN DD. Also, with their nerfed torps, i see no reason for higher tiered IJN DDs to have their guns tweaked a bit. Soery for the short post, im on my phone and could elaborate later. Sorry but no DD in the game can get into those mini capzones without the risk of getting spotted, And when you are spotted you are almost ontop of the enemy DD or in worst cases the enemy 2-3 DDs and you will get focused by atleast 4-5 ships i matter of seconds. So you think DDs has a unfair advantage in ranked? Try and go play some youreself! Im above average and still ranked is russian roulette for me if i have a good game or if im killed first 2 minutes. And as a DD in ranked i really dont have the option of hanging back and hide behind cover as CA´s and BB´s do and usually are. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #25 Posted June 21, 2016 I play BB normally and it's why I started playing but I simply refuse to use them in Ranked. DD are the best choice for Ranked, they stand the highest chance of coming top so don't lose a star. As long as you cap a few times and do reasonable damage. I've got a Myoko but being smashed by a BB at 15km doesn't inspire me to use it in Ranked. Also have a Nagato ready but when the supply of cruisers dry up then you're just a target. I've seen others with the Jolly Roger using the Nagato so BB must be viable... It's Blys all the way here. Escaped the lower ranks with Kami R. Only issue for me is whether I grind/free XP a Kiev as that thing feels op in Ranked. I don't begrudge the change of pace at all. Ranked tends to be more urgent than camping Random Battles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites