Being able to play with players of your own skill level

[loppantorkel]

Ranked must be great for those players who always end up with crappy teams. Now they'll rank up to their intended place in no time and are able to team up with players of their own standard. No more tomatoes for the elite?

 

I like ranked more than the GNB event. It's a nice option and encourages team play more than in random. There are always going to be minor balance issues in a game like this, but it's still fun.

[robihr]

Ranked must be great for those players who always end up with crappy teams. Now they'll rank up to their intended place in no time and are able to team up with players of their own standard. No more tomatoes for the elite?

 

I like ranked more than the GNB event. It's a nice option and encourages team play more than in random. There are always going to be minor balance issues in a game like this, but it's still fun.

 

tomatoes just need to grind a little bit more than skilled players to end up in same league as skilled ones...

[Ictogan]

It kinda sorts the players, but only to a certain extent. Had a Myoko in my team earlier who tk'd our CV because he thought that the CV was playing badly. And this happened in the first league.

[loppantorkel]

 

tomatoes just need to grind a little bit more than skilled players to end up in same league as skilled ones...

 

Really? How does that work?

[robihr]

 

Really? How does that work?

 

last season had seen players with 43% WR that grinded over 600 battles and have gotten to rank 6. you only need to get lucky and have team carry you to victory. some manage to get farther than the others, but they still manage with enough battles.

[ezymodo]

Yes, the ranked battle this season is working as intended, and that is why it is less enjoyable to most people.

You should add this choice to the pool, btw.

 

I found it amusing that many people wanted to play with others on their own skill level since by definition, this kind of system will result in 50:50 win/ loss ratio in the long run.

in the end, vast majority of players will get stuck on a certain bracket appropriate to their skill level, unable to advance further.

I guess the bias came from the fact that you can notice the actions of your team, but not the enemy team.

How often do you report an enemy player for "playing badly", other than when he is afk ?

 

 last season had seen players with 43% WR that grinded over 600 battles and have gotten to rank 6. you only need to get lucky and have team carry you to victory. some manage to get farther than the others, but they still manage with enough battles.

 

I assure you that this will be less the case for this season, due to the fact that you do not gain stars when you gain a rank above rank 10.

 

Personally, I want to play ranked with players far below my skill level, so that I can accumulate the wins efficiently and get the reward with minimal effort. 

I'm not a warrior, I'm a farmer .

[Syrchalis]

Also there is no irrevocable rank beyond rank 12, which will help with potatos advancing too fast.

[Agantas]

Can you explain how exactly does it sort players by skill level?

[ColonelPete]

Just no, but you do not have that option.

[kennydbt]

no this are rig to hell, some time I cannot miss sometime I cannot hit Jake. Then you have the games you do hit but do no damage 42 hit with HE on a undamaged BB and I got no damage at all and it still keep happening. now can this be right?

[loppantorkel]

Can you explain how exactly does it sort players by skill level?

 

Skilled players with high winrate should rank up faster?! Is there any question about this being the case? Some player with over 600 battles managed to get to rank 6 despite not being very good.. doesn't it prove the point that he didn't get further? All those games got him a bit on the way, but the true elite - the rank 1 players didn't have to team up with him.

[Ictogan]

 

Skilled players with high winrate should rank up faster?! Is there any question about this being the case? Some player with over 600 battles managed to get to rank 6 despite not being very good.. doesn't it prove the point that he didn't get further? All those games got him a bit on the way, but the true elite - the rank 1 players didn't have to team up with him.

 

There isn't a single player above rank 5 yet though.

[loppantorkel]

 

There isn't a single player above rank 5 yet though.

 

I'm not sure what to make of this. It takes a while to rank up and reaching rank 1 will be fairly exclusive? Seems pretty logical and consistent with the conclusion that 'ranked' sorts players.

[daki]

The poll question is very one-directional.

I do find this last season borderline "great".

But not due to any "skill based" MM. I for one do not believe in that concept as it is theoretical and not practical in nature (in case of WoWs).

 

What drew me into it is:

- 7v7 format which allows more personal influence on the final outcome. Both ways of course - we all have on one side great games but also major brainfarts and pure lack of luck from time to time.

- Tons of signal flags which I use frequently

- Tons of credits, now I am at around 30 millions collected (mainly thanks to Sims and all credit boosts)

- -10% repair cost flag despite it lasting another 1 month and 5 days (my only goal for this season i.e. at least rank 10) - and who knows, possibly even more since the season has just basically started.

 

[JozaVrabac]

RANK SUKS BIG TIME NOT WORTH THE EFORT.

 

Mach making issues are spreding to rank. Becouse of noobs you can get pass certan renk becouse you get paird 10 ranks bellow soi you in dead lock. I don't mine the chalange but how it's fair to upper ranks where they lose start no matter what they do. Also noobs keep playing IJN dd's that los at the start. Waste of time playing.

 

But they don't get penbelty gess why?

 

CAPING XP you can kill all the sqouad and still you wont have anouf of XP to beat that capin XP.

 

SO NO WG rank suks. ALSO to have to deal booting and AFK plaers in rank is just cherry on top. I was looking foward to RANK but one big scrue up again WG TNX A LOT. YOU wont get a diem out of me. To have to deal with same shinanigans from normal battels in rank where you wont fix MM till comunuty screams at you to do so. no tnx

 

will give it a try a few day if this keep going i'll stop to play the gamne for ever.. 

 

ALSO tnx WG to pairing people that went high anouf in rank to play T7 ship with people below rank 15  that can only use T6 ships. alway nice to se T5-6 in T7 mach. even when you around rank 11-10. TNX WG for that expiriance.

[loppantorkel]

The poll question is very one-directional.

I do find this last season borderline "great".

But not due to any "skill based" MM. I for one do not believe in that concept as it is theoretical and not practical in nature (in case of WoWs).

 

What drew me into it is:

- 7v7 format which allows more personal influence on the final outcome. Both ways of course - we all have on one side great games but also major brainfarts and pure lack of luck from time to time.

- Tons of signal flags which I use frequently

- Tons of credits, now I am at around 30 millions collected (mainly thanks to Sims and all credit boosts)

- -10% repair cost flag despite it lasting another 1 month and 5 days (my only goal for this season i.e. at least rank 10) - and who knows, possibly even more since the season has just basically started.

 

 

I could've made the poll more open and better, but it is what it is, not very scientific. I agree with your point too, which makes it a good/great event for the players. One thing I also enjoy is the more dynamic nature of this event compared to the last. Here, there's progress, theoretical and most likely practical. You ascend ranks and get to meet better and better opponents, playing in better and better teams. ..maybe not in maturity or moral standards, but at least skill wise.. Why wouldn't this be the case?

[Agantas]

 

Skilled players with high winrate should rank up faster?! Is there any question about this being the case? Some player with over 600 battles managed to get to rank 6 despite not being very good.. doesn't it prove the point that he didn't get further? All those games got him a bit on the way, but the true elite - the rank 1 players didn't have to team up with him.

 

So the brackets follow league flags? I know that ranks 16-22 are a bracket since they use different ship ranks

 

So far, I know that we have at least following three brackets:

Rank 16 or higher (Tier 5-6 ships)

Rank 2-15 (Tier 6-7 ships, possible sub-brackets, with league flag given at lowest rank of the bracket)

Rank 1 (Tier 10 ships)

[Ictogan]

 

So the brackets follow league flags? I know that ranks 16-22 are a bracket since they use different ship ranks

 

So far, I know that we have at least following three brackets:

Rank 16 or higher (Tier 5-6 ships)

Rank 2-15 (Tier 6-7 ships, possible sub-brackets, with league flag given at lowest rank of the bracket)

Rank 1 (Tier 10 ships)

 

There is 15-11, 10-6 and 5-2.

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

last season had seen players with 43% WR that grinded over 600 battles and have gotten to rank 6. you only need to get lucky and have team carry you to victory. some manage to get farther than the others, but they still manage with enough battles.

 

Just in case the other posts on this matter weren't clear (not a dig at anyone mind you).

 

The reason those players could advance with just enough games played was the gained star when you ranked up. So gain a rank, lose a game and you would still be the new rank. Lose again and you would be back below. Then win a game and rank up and you are back to having a bonus star. That bonus star is gone from Rank 10 and up. That means if you lose more than you win, you will never stay very much above Rank 10. You can still reach it (so the 'good' ranks are still going to be infected with 43% players of course), but it will not become a permanent residency, unless you suddenly up your game and win more than you lose. A player starting out with 40% wins and once he reaches Rank 10 and wins 55%, will probably still reach Rank 1 and get less than 50% wins. But he needs to consistently win more than losing in the 'good' ranks.

[JozaVrabac]

 

Just in case the other posts on this matter weren't clear (not a dig at anyone mind you).

 

The reason those players could advance with just enough games played was the gained star when you ranked up. So gain a rank, lose a game and you would still be the new rank. Lose again and you would be back below. Then win a game and rank up and you are back to having a bonus star. That bonus star is gone from Rank 10 and up. That means if you lose more than you win, you will never stay very much above Rank 10. You can still reach it (so the 'good' ranks are still going to be infected with 43% players of course), but it will not become a permanent residency, unless you suddenly up your game and win more than you lose. A player starting out with 40% wins and once he reaches Rank 10 and wins 55%, will probably still reach Rank 1 and get less than 50% wins. But he needs to consistently win more than losing in the 'good' ranks.

 

YES the problem is even at RANK 10 you get paired with that players that waste your time unless You are able to carry them to win. Problem is that even at rank 10 you get paird below rank 15 so while they don't lose star with some CAPING XP most often (hard to comepre to normal XP) you don't mather what ever you do.

 

So may games IJN dd player only menaged to CAP once or participate at CAPING and get 1st place.While rest of the game he basicly runing a way. So rest of the team got out played due of laking spoting info. They didn't lost a star and player who was killing enemy left and right deling demage how ever he could got 2nd or 3rd place and lost a star.

 

My problem is that you got paring way lower then you should so you are alone rank 11-10 with rest of team rank 14-15 at best. Same shinanigans like in normal battel you get ships paring not actual player's skill pull so you get games you just can't win no mater what you do (more often then not) and rearly games you got pair with good team where every body do their job and have game where you can show off your skill's.

[loppantorkel]

Yes, the ranked battle this season is working as intended, and that is why it is less enjoyable to most people.

You should add this choice to the pool, btw.

I think I have that poll choice covered already.

 

 

YES the problem is even at RANK 10 you get paired with that players that waste your time unless You are able to carry them to win. Problem is that even at rank 10 you get paird below rank 15 so while they don't lose star with some CAPING XP most often (hard to comepre to normal XP) you don't mather what ever you do.

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My problem is that you got paring way lower then you should so you are alone rank 11-10 with rest of team rank 14-15 at best. Same shinanigans like in normal battel you get ships paring not actual player's skill pull so you get games you just can't win no mater what you do (more often then not) and rearly games you got pair with good team where every body do their job and have game where you can show off your skill's.

You do get sorted accorded to rank as explained above. You can end up with rank 15s as a rank 11, but that goes for all players. If you're a good player you should be able to rank up regardless. If you're unable to, you might need to revise your opinion of your own skill.

[Spellfire40]

To those who wants to block out the less skilled Players: How you want to gain a 5 wins in a row if everybody is as skilled if not more than you? agist good Players with the ability at Play as a Team with randoms you will not advance in rank because you would be at ca 50% winrate. That way you will not gain ranks. To gain ranks you Need enemys that go Yolo split up too much and Play as single Player. If ist true that tere are no Player above 5 ist a sighn that the Format for this Season was a fail.

[daki]

If ist true that tere are no Player above 5 ist a sighn that the Format for this Season was a fail.

 

Not necessarily. It seems to me that most people forget that we are still early in the season (more than one month left), much more stars are needed compared to previous season...

Furthermore, due to limited number of players at rank 5 and the fact that it is a bracket limit as well, limiting matches to 5-2 rank (if I understood correctly), it takes much longer to level up due to queue waiting times.

 

[loppantorkel]

Furthermore, due to limited number of players at rank 5 and the fact that it is a bracket limit as well, limiting matches to 5-2 rank (if I understood correctly), it takes much longer to level up due to queue waiting times.

 

The first one to reach rank one should win something. Some remedy for not being able to play ranked mode for a few days, at least without some very bad waiting times...

[Aerroon]

Ranked must be great for those players who always end up with crappy teams. Now they'll rank up to their intended place in no time and are able to team up with players of their own standard. No more tomatoes for the elite?

 

I like ranked more than the GNB event. It's a nice option and encourages team play more than in random. There are always going to be minor balance issues in a game like this, but it's still fun.

 

That's not how ranked works.

 

If you play enough games your ranking goes up (because it's not a zero sum game).

 

A skillbased matchmaking system would put you into a certain bracket based on your performance and it would stay more or less the same (unless you got better).