Fan made Italian tech tree

[Exocet6951]

According to this post, rumors of Italian CAs in Fall of 2018 !

 

 

[SparvieroVV]

Surprised Italian cruisers before Russian battleships. 

[Exocet6951]

2 hours ago, SparvieroVV said:

Surprised Italian cruisers before Russian battleships. 

 

I think the release of the Giulio and the Roma hype made enough waves for WG to realize that Italian ships are very eagerly awaited, and the EU server's wallets are just waiting for them to arrive.

Then again, it's nothing confirmed and problems can arise at any time.

In any case, we're looking at some 8 months before getting any details.


And as always...
Gibe Zara.

[SparvieroVV]

Unless USN cruiser split and RN destroyer intros are insanely slow it sets up Italian cruisers for the GamesCon release. However I’m guessing that feature place will go to British destroyer line. 

[Deamon93]

With the news on Italian ceruisers I'll look into the line, although I think the changes would occur primarily high up (with Trento/Bolzano at VI, Zara at VII, Spanish CA at VIII and IX and Russian CA at X). Regarding the tier X BB after looking at the French one I assume we might see a bigger UP.41 with more powerful guns (possibly the longer 406 mm ones). Need to see that ship in more detail to have a proper opinion but it seems the most logical choice.

[Historynerd]

1 hour ago, Deamon93 said:

Zara at VII

 

Now, that was partly sarcastic, but partly...

I'm not sure that the whole Aosta/Abruzzi mess and what went down with the French cruisers makes it inevitable that the Zara will be knocked down one Tier.

Sure, the only outstanding feature it should have would be its tankiness, but c'mon... the guns can work, the speed is alright... the only bad feature would be no torps and meh AA...

 

Is there no way...? 

[SparvieroVV]

21 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

 

Now, that was partly sarcastic, but partly...

I'm not sure that the whole Aosta/Abruzzi mess and what went down with the French cruisers makes it inevitable that the Zara will be knocked down one Tier.

Sure, the only outstanding feature it should have would be its tankiness, but c'mon... the guns can work, the speed is alright... the only bad feature would be no torps and meh AA...

 

Is there no way...? 

To myself it seems easy seeing all the other ships that where buffed up. Update six 100/47 models to something that give 5km base range with decent DPS. Be it a 135/45 single, 90/50 double or whatever strikes WG's fancy. We see with the 4 37/54 stations where 2 100/47 twins used to be there is the possibility of making it 16 total 65/60 stations which with modules and skills could probably present a decent ~5km aura and DF if nothing else. Modest RoF adjustment from 3.8 rpm to closer to 5 rpm for the main rifles falls in line with what has been done for other ships. To be cheeky the HE shell for the Italian 203/53 is lighter with a larger bursting charge than the German base fuze round. Meaning it should at least have a little an extremely marginal fire starting advantage against one round. 

 

The ship doesn't have to have a design goal of being top of tier VIII stats page. In the hands of players who will play it on a regular basis they will still be able to over achieve. I'd rather have a slightly buffed Zara at tier VIII than a forgotten stepping stone at tier VII, imoo. Which would mean a RN Gorizia premium would garner that much more revenue. *hint*hint*hint* Added bonus is Hipper/Eugenio players will feel they have a better tier VIII cruiser than someone else finally. 

[Deamon93]

42 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

 

Now, that was partly sarcastic, but partly...

I'm not sure that the whole Aosta/Abruzzi mess and what went down with the French cruisers makes it inevitable that the Zara will be knocked down one Tier.

Sure, the only outstanding feature it should have would be its tankiness, but c'mon... the guns can work, the speed is alright... the only bad feature would be no torps and meh AA...

 

Is there no way...? 

I checked the original link, here's the translation (from Google so not 100% accurate):

 

Italian cruisers
    New nations go to WoWs every six months or a year. In 2018, there remains only one major naval power without pumped ships. Correct it must the Italian cruiser. The problem is that the 8-10 levels will be of varying degrees by paper

 

This excludes Zara at tier VIII for sure, since it was far from paper. There's time so they might change the plan but who knows.

[Historynerd]

10 minutes ago, Deamon93 said:

I checked the original link, here's the translation (from Google so not 100% accurate):

 

Italian cruisers
    New nations go to WoWs every six months or a year. In 2018, there remains only one major naval power without pumped ships. Correct it must the Italian cruiser. The problem is that the 8-10 levels will be of varying degrees by paper

 

This excludes Zara at tier VIII for sure, since it was far from paper. There's time so they might change the plan but who knows.

 

...Ok, so now I must hope with everything I have that this proves to be a false alarm.

Wonderful.

 

Sorry, guys, if I'm being negative, but having the Aosta and the Abruzzi overtiered, and then having the Zara undertiered..

[Deamon93]

2 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

 

...Ok, so now I must hope with everything I have that this proves to be a false alarm.

Wonderful.

 

Sorry, guys, if I'm being negative, but having the Aosta and the Abruzzi overtiered, and then having the Zara undertiered..

Yeah having Duca d'Aosta and Duca degli Abruzzi overtiered and having Zara undertiered is quite problematic (especially for poor degli Abruzzi, being stuck in between and having Zara and possibly even Gorizia in the same tier). With this said I would wait for a definitive comment on the matter until the US split comes along, being quite relevant (with all the downtiering there)

[SparvieroVV]

I'm going to make the cardinal sin of guessing British Navy destroyers are the goal for Gamescon 2018. So we all have plenty of time to wait. 

 

I know WG has two obvious choices for the heavy cruiser premium based off the Zara class. I would really like to avoid flipping my crap over drunk jokes so please this time around choose the ship that was involved in many operations: RN Gorizia. It also conveniently avoids certain other issues. 

 

[Historynerd]

44 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

I'm going to make the cardinal sin of guessing British Navy destroyers are the goal for Gamescon 2018. So we all have plenty of time to wait. 

 

I know WG has two obvious choices for the heavy cruiser premium based off the Zara class. I would really like to avoid flipping my crap over drunk jokes so please this time around choose the ship that was involved in many operations: RN Gorizia. It also conveniently avoids certain other issues. 

 

Likely WG's response to your query:

 

Because we all know this is what is going to happen. It's such an easy target, and people will probably fork over more money for the drunk jokes. 

 

/s

 

Ok, I really need to be so negatively sarcastic. 

Maybe WG'll be sensible on this one.

[Verdius]

On 12-1-2018 at 7:18 PM, Deamon93 said:

I checked the original link, here's the translation (from Google so not 100% accurate):

 

Italian cruisers
    New nations go to WoWs every six months or a year. In 2018, there remains only one major naval power without pumped ships. Correct it must the Italian cruiser. The problem is that the 8-10 levels will be of varying degrees by paper

 

This excludes Zara at tier VIII for sure, since it was far from paper. There's time so they might change the plan but who knows.

 

Zara not at T8? What heresy is this? If Hipper is good enough for T8 Zara should definitly be T8 as well.

It would crush my dreams of seeing Bolzano at T7 as well.

Also this would be hilarious if it were to be implemented:
https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/cassones-large-battlecruiser-proposal-1921/
 

[LastButterfly]

31 minutes ago, Verdius said:

Also this would be hilarious if it were to be implemented:
https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/cassones-large-battlecruiser-proposal-1921/

 

This is the Ferdinando Cassone with the 456mm and that goes at 40kn because smart italian engineers of 1920 were so damn sure this was totally in the realm of possible, right ?
I think some people proposed this to be used as a base material for a TX battleship even though the idea sounds cold to me.

[Verdius]

8 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

 

This is the Ferdinando Cassone with the 456mm and that goes at 40kn because smart italian engineers of 1920 were so damn sure this was totally in the realm of possible, right ?
I think some people proposed this to be used as a base material for a TX battleship even though the idea sounds cold to me.

That is why I said it would be hilarious. Not that it should actually seriously be implemented. (Although if it was Russian )

 

[LastButterfly]

1 hour ago, Verdius said:

That is why I said it would be hilarious. Not that it should actually seriously be implemented. (Although if it was Russian )

 

 

Oh, russians have their own obscure papers kept hidden for ages until the time is right to show them to the world.

 

Spoiler

 

[Verdius]

1 minute ago, LastButterfly said:

 

Oh, russians have their own obscure papers kept hidden for ages until the time is right to show them to the world.

 

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Is that the fantasy BB that some guy posted on the forums a while back?

[LastButterfly]

Just now, Verdius said:

 

Is that the fantasy BB that some guy posted on the forums a while back?

 

 I have no idea what fantasy BB posted by what guy on what forum you're talking about. But this was an experiment (a paper experiment, never actually seriously considered for construction) for a 1914 "ultimate battleship" carrying 4 quadruple 406mm guns.
It's not a fantasy. I mean, it was drawn back in the days as far as I know. But not for construction just to see what it'd look like.

[Deamon93]

8 hours ago, Verdius said:

 

Zara not at T8? What heresy is this? If Hipper is good enough for T8 Zara should definitly be T8 as well.

It would crush my dreams of seeing Bolzano at T7 as well.

Also this would be hilarious if it were to be implemented:
https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/cassones-large-battlecruiser-proposal-1921/
 

I guess this takes into account the downtiering which is bound to happen.

 

On Cassone I would rather avoid that witchcraft if possible, then again WG doesn't particularly care about reasonable designs (looks at the tier X German BB)

 

 

 

 

[SparvieroVV]

Well the case of where WG is pulling some information from is partially solved.

 

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As for the forward belt, it's 130 mm, not 70 mm according to our main sources on Littorio-class BBs (Sergey Patyanin, Arseny Malov, Mussolini's Superbattleships book - and we do trust these researchers). We will check more sources to be sure, but that will take time (the team is moving to the new building).

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/149237-a-criticism-of-wgs-handling-of-roma/?do=findComment&comment=3563338

 

 

[Historynerd]

Ok, at least they get kudos for admitting that their work was done using what a bunch of Russian dudes wrote about them, and only tangentially looked at what our guys could have said.

[Deamon93]

13 hours ago, SparvieroVV said:

Well the case of where WG is pulling some information from is partially solved.

 

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/149237-a-criticism-of-wgs-handling-of-roma/?do=findComment&comment=3563338

 

 

The Motherland granted us pieces of its power

[NothingButTheRain]

I'm not really sure what the complaining about the sources is about. I've studied warships in the past (hence part of my interest in old warships) and getting the information you're seeking for is not as easy as it sounds and sometimes can even be contradictionary, inaccurate or even false or a bad copy+paste.

 

And they have deadlines. Yes WG isn't perfect and yes they want your money blah blah. But they obviously have an interest in the gameplay here as well, it's not some cheap rip-off and it certainly isn't without any passion whatsoever. Yes things get rushed and things can break but as a hobbyist in modifying games and having other play these mods, I know sometimes errors can linger for years even. Of course I was never paid so I don't really have any deadlines except for the ones I set myself to.

 

If someone were to complain to me about how I would create these warships based on the fact that I have to go with the information I have at hand,it would be more constructive to give more sources. And of course critics should never be silenced, they will usually have a good point somewhere. It's about communication.

[SparvieroVV]

Who’s complaining? 

[NothingButTheRain]

3 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

Who’s complaining? 

Maybe I should've specified a bit more clearly, as it wasn't intended to be a bit more about the forum as a whole and not just this thread. My apologies I had no intention to offend anyone. Or maybe I'm just not good with sarcasm, but sometimes the complaining (or whining) is a bit uncalled for, on this forum.

 

I meant more to say something along those lines.