Fan made Italian tech tree

[Deamon93]

 

Yes, but with 27 knots they is relative fast for Tier 3 and with some Wargaming typical B hull who ad some more main artillery they would be fine ... it is a bit hard to find there sometimes the right ships by the Italians, if we just go after the real stats of them ... mean, the Vettor Pisani is a bit like the St. Louis, but had just 18 knots, what is damn low

 

True but Vettor Pisani was just a placeholder. If you upgun and uparmor Nino Bixio you would get the ships present in the link Historynerd provided pretty much

[ImperialAdmiral]

I just want to say you did an amazing work in here.

As a huge fan of Regia Marina I'll support the creation of its own tech tree as much as I can.

Let us hope that one day the mighty and beautiful warships of Italian Royal Navy will rule the waves of WoWs and that the high tiers will be the true crown jewels that will sail proudly towards enemy.

 

 

[Deamon93]

I just want to say you did an amazing work in here.

As a huge fan of Regia Marina I'll support the creation of its own tech tree as much as I can.

Let us hope that one day the mighty and beautiful warships of Italian Royal Navy will rule the waves of WoWs and that the high tiers will be the true crown jewels that will sail proudly towards enemy.

 

 

 

Thank you!

[MrFingers]

This needs to be the Tier I... The Monte Sabotino

 

[Historynerd]

This needs to be the Tier I... The Monte Sabotino

 

 

 

 

0.1 rpm? 

 

Edit: Saw someone with a Reddit account quite similar to yours post a pic of the Fàa di Bruno, saying it was the ugliest 20th century warship.

 

Apart from personal tastes (I personally feel that the monitor had no actual pretense of even looking like a warship, while horrors such as the USS Long Island had it), it seems a bit harsh...

 

I expect you to find something else to write about an Italian warship, in a fully positive light, to compensate, and post it in short order.

 

You've been warned... 

 

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 Joking. 

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[Deamon93]

This needs to be the Tier I... The Monte Sabotino

 

 

Pontoons would be hilarious but a 15" shell to the face of a tier I would be instakill

 

 

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

 

Pontoons would be hilarious but a 15" shell to the face of a tier I would be instakill

 

 

 

Or simple overpenetrate hit (makes no damage) and just trigger a watering (becuase of the big hole at the bottem of the hull ^^)

[Deamon93]

 

Or simple overpenetrate hit (makes no damage) and just trigger a watering (becuase of the big hole at the bottem of the hull ^^)

 

Tier Is fire HE only now and a 15" HE shell is more than enough to instakill a tier I since they reduced their HP pools as well

 

Anyway not that it matters since we won't see those kind of ships ingame

[Combat_Hamster]

 

 

image made by Phoenix_jz

https://onedrive.liv...1!208&app=Excel

 

Guns spreadsheet

 

NOTES

 

Large destroyers: this mini-line, placed in parallel with the proper DD one, is an experiment. The problem of such ships is that they are something in between destroyers and light cruisers so i decided to kept them aside with the idea of linking them with the high tier DDs which have somewhat similar capabilities. It may or may not stay, depending on how things go.

 

Cruisers:

1)I added the armored cruisers at low tiers to supplement the line

2)Lack of tier III candidate for the protected cruiser line --> placed(at least for the time being) Vettor Pisani.

3)I assumed Cleveland at tier VIII(without that assumption making the line would be pointless) and, based on that assumption, i placed the Condottieri class accordingly.

4)I used projects made by Ansaldo for other countries(Spain and Russia) for tier IX and X.

 

Battleships:

1)I need to find a suitable ship to place above UP.41(Cassone could be the one but i'm hesitant about it). UPDATE: need to find more pieces of info on the ship I found

2)I haven't considered the other designs of Ferrati(the designer of Caracciolo). They may or may not show up in the end, all depends if i can find info on those

 

Carriers:

1)Only two ships were under construction: Aquila and Sparviero. The rest of the line has to be made of paper projects

2)Both Sparviero and Aquila were supposed to carry fighter bombers. Two planes were navalized: the G.50 and the Re.2001(the latter got accepted). My idea of making this line unique is to have all planes as fighter bombers but it's unclear if that is possible ingame. -->I added plausible planes on each role(with some blank spots)

 

To do list:

1)Find a tier X BB more suitable than Cassone UPDATE: need to find more pieces of info

2)Work on the CVs

3)Need fo finish with the premiums list

 

Index:

-Destroyers: from Palestro to Dardo

-Destroyers: from Maestrale to Soldati II

-Destroyers: Medaglie d'Oro and Capitani Romani

-Large destroyers: from Poerio to Navigatori

-Cruisers: from Eritrea to Bari

-Cruisers: from Garibaldi to San Giorgio

-Cruisers: Condottieri-class(from I to VI)

-Cruisers: From Trento to Ansaldo project for Russia

-Battleships: from Cuniberti 17.000 t to Caio Duilio

-Battleships: from Caracciolo to UP.41

-Battleships: Ferrati's projects

-Carriers

-Planes

-Premium ships: destroyers

-Premium ships: cruisers

-Premium ships: battleships

-WG updates and comments

-Comparisons: Introduction

-Comparisons: Destroyers(from II to V)

-Comparisons: Destroyers(from VI to X)

-Comparisons: Cruisers(from I to V)

-Comparisons: Cruisers(from VI to X) 

-Comparisons: Battleships(from III to VI)

-Comparisons: Battleships(from VII to X)

Really  nice  work..how  about  Bari at tier 2.....and  Taranto  at 4 with some torps?

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

Really  nice  work..how  about  Bari at tier 2.....and  Taranto  at 4 with some torps?

 

Bari? The ex-SMS Pillau? More Tier 4 stuff ;)

[Deamon93]

Really  nice  work..how  about  Bari at tier 2.....and  Taranto  at 4 with some torps?

 

As said above Bari(and every ex German cruisers) are tier IV material. Still thankfully Historynerd found something else for tier IV and III, which would make those spots more reasonable compared to the rest of the line.

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

Found something in Wikipedia who makes this suggested ships also credible as possible Tier 7 BB

 

 The first Italian design, prepared in 1928, called for a 23,000 long tons (23,000 t) ship armed with a main battery of six 381 mm (15.0 in) guns in twin turrets.^[2] ... Later in 1928, the design staff prepared another ship, with a displacement of 35,000 long tons (36,000 t), armed with six 406 mm (16.0 in) guns and protected against guns of the same caliber. At least one of these ships would have followed the three 23,000-ton ships once the building holiday expired in 1931.^[4]"

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deamon93]

Found something in Wikipedia who makes this suggested ships also credible as possible Tier 7 BB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a thread for BC 1928(here), sadly information regarding protection isn't available. The layout is comparable to Gneisenau but, since she's much lighter as far as displacement is concerned, her protection is surely weaker overall(which is why I opted for BC 1930 which compensates the glassyness with dakka). Moreover I know where to find the original model, for BC 1928 I don't know where to look

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

 

There's a thread for BC 1928(here), sadly information regarding protection isn't available. The layout is comparable to Gneisenau but, since she's much lighter as far as displacement is concerned, her protection is surely weaker overall(which is why I opted for BC 1930 which compensates the glassyness with dakka). Moreover I know where to find the original model, for BC 1928 I don't know where to look

 

It could be a interesting ship for Tier 7 with a complete new way of abilitys, of advantages and disadvantages. Could be a good choice to give the community something who needs a complete new way of play ;)

 

In compare to the Gneisenau, less HP, maybe, less armor, but i think better

mobility and more firepower ;)

[Deamon93]

Well she would be different from what we have at that tier but not exactly new overall. She is pretty much a glass cannon: the same firepower of Littorio but in a smaller and lighter package. In a sense she would be a good practice for Littorio herself: if you can do well without having to rely on protection to tank incoming fire you should be able to do as well if not better when your ship can actually stop incoming shells(although who knows how WG will model her protection scheme)

[x_Hasso_von_Manteuffel_x]

 

Strange, considering Dai (one of their archivists) reportedly sent Lesta a whole slew of German CV designs accroding to her. 

 

Found something again:

 

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2016/08/29/wows-qa-29th-august-2016/

 

•  No more Aircraft Carrier trees “for a while.” The next one would be a British carrier tree. Likely no German or Russian carrier tree would be made. “Nothing to build them from. Lack of material to use.” They do not want to make carrier trees that are “all projects.”
• On more premium carriers: “None were planned for this year.” “We do not want to sell the ‘carrier experience’ right now, as we are not happy with it.”
• More premium carriers are planned for next year.

 

 

[mr3awsome]

Given that there are definitely designs about for German carriers, I would guess the issue is the same as the Russians; not enough carrier planes. 

[Historynerd]

Then we're not in a much different situation.

And I doubt that the peculiarity of relying a lot on fighter-bombers can change things...

 

Well, maybe they can deign to consider the Aquila as a premium, one day.

[Deamon93]

Well Aquila as premium should work, although who knows if the fighter-bombers peculiarity would be possible. I hope so, at least would be different.

[Historynerd]

Guys, this has no bearing on the tech tree, but I guess we can allow one little departure once in a while, can't we?

 

The recent work from Osprey, "British submarine vs Italian torpedo boat", is quite good. It described rather well the war that raged throughout the central Mediterranean, and in which the best efforts of the Regia Marina led to a very respectable result.

Maybe the only thing I may have found negative could be the fact that the authors used Robert Mallett as a source. I don't care for him; too sensationalist and dismissive.

 

Anyway, I say this is definitely worth a read.

[Deamon93]

Guys, this has no bearing on the tech tree, but I guess we can allow one little departure once in a while, can't we?

 

The recent work from Osprey, "British submarine vs Italian torpedo boat", is quite good. It described rather well the war that raged throughout the central Mediterranean, and in which the best efforts of the Regia Marina led to a very respectable result.

Maybe the only thing I may have found negative could be the fact that the authors used Robert Mallett as a source. I don't care for him; too sensationalist and dismissive.

 

Anyway, I say this is definitely worth a read.

As far as I recall the RM didn't do that bad with all considered, then again the Med isn't exactly sub friendly.

 

By the way regarding updates I'm waiting for Romics, hoping to get some news from there. I hope there will be since people will surely ask.

[BelRiose]

why not the Dante Alighieri as a regular tier III BB?

[BelRiose]

PS: Fiat G55 exist as a land based torpedo fighter... Why not carrier based?

[Deamon93]

why not the Dante Alighieri as a regular tier III BB?

 

She would be quite superior to what's present at that tier

 

PS: Fiat G55 exist as a land based torpedo fighter... Why not carrier based?

 

In the planes I considered it, then again working on CVs is rather pointless since I doubt they would add other CVs(excluding the British one). For Aquila, considering the potential tiering, the Re.2001 is good enough

[Historynerd]

why not the Dante Alighieri as a regular tier III BB?

 

She would be quite superior to what's present at that tier

 

Right.

No disrespect intended, but the Dante would shred the South Carolina, the Kawachi, the Nassau, the Bellerophon and even the Courbet.

She's got pretty thin armour, but she's a bit fast, and she can bring twelve guns to bear. It wouldn't be fair.

She might well be a Tier IV premium.