MungaH Alpha Tester 127 posts 4,481 battles Report post #676 Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) Well if there are new pieces of info on that ship would be nice. Meanwhile in the recent Q&A I dropped a question regarding Italian ships, hopefully we'll get the answer soon enough(with the amount of votes that post got I doubt it won't make it in the top 5) Whate have you asked exactly ? May I see the post or it's written in a restricted section of the forum ? Edited July 21, 2016 by MungaH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #677 Posted July 21, 2016 Whate have you asked exactly ? May I see the post or it's written in a restricted section of the forum ? Here is the question: Question #2: Since you modelled Dunkerque there's only Italy still without any ship modelled. Will you make at least an Italian premium in the foreseeable future? It's in a public Q&A where people could ask question. Here's the link: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/56947-questions-of-the-community/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MungaH Alpha Tester 127 posts 4,481 battles Report post #678 Posted July 21, 2016 Here is the question: It's in a public Q&A where people could ask question. Here's the link: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/56947-questions-of-the-community/ Nice question, you have my vote of course. Anyway, i put my -polemic- question as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #679 Posted July 21, 2016 Nice question, you have my vote of course. Anyway, i put my -polemic- question as well It's kind of like asking a waterfall why its water goes down and now up, but whatever. I think we can expect an Italian premium in the next months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #680 Posted July 21, 2016 It's kind of like asking a waterfall why its water goes down and now up, but whatever. I think we can expect an Italian premium in the next months. I hope so although we'll see what they say to the answer. Nice question, you have my vote of course. Anyway, i put my -polemic- question as well Well the Russian archives are pretty much next door to them while(at least in the Italian case) the information is dispersed in at least two locations(La Spezia and Venice), plus of course the private archives(Ansaldo, Fincantieri, OTO-Melara and so on). Can't say about the UK, I'm not familiar with them on that regard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #681 Posted July 22, 2016 I also hope that somebody gets his facts straight. I've been locked with quite some time with someone on YouTube who keeps insisting that the Giulio Cesare/Novorossyrsk is "almsot the same" as ships such as the Dunkerque, and therefore it should be at Tier 6. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #682 Posted July 22, 2016 I also hope that somebody gets his facts straight. I've been locked with quite some time with someone on YouTube who keeps insisting that the Giulio Cesare/Novorossyrsk is "almsot the same" as ships such as the Dunkerque, and therefore it should be at Tier 6. Depends what he means with "almost the same", that can mean a lot of things. Like, as example, H-44 is almost the same compared to Bismarck: just almost three times heavier displacement and larger guns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #683 Posted July 22, 2016 Depends what he means with "almost the same", that can mean a lot of things. Like, as example, H-44 is almost the same compared to Bismarck: just almost three times heavier displacement and larger guns. He means in terms of capability, relative to battleships. I trust you won't say that in that respect, they are almost the same... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #684 Posted July 22, 2016 He means in terms of capability, relative to battleships. I trust you won't say that in that respect, they are almost the same... Well their reconstruction was developed as an answer to Dunkerque but just as a stopgap while waiting for Littorio and VV. With this said they are quite different. Just the armament layout alone makes the two quite distinct: Conte di Cavour is more traditional with the firepower split evenly fore and aft while Dunkerque has 100% fore and nothing aft. Thanks to this Dunkerque could angle herself quite aggressively and fire all her guns while, on the other hand, getting kicked in the butt the moment an enemy positions himself towards her aft(same issue for Richielieu). Then of course there are also other differences but there's no need to nitpick 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #685 Posted July 22, 2016 Well their reconstruction was developed as an answer to Dunkerque but just as a stopgap while waiting for Littorio and VV. With this said they are quite different. Just the armament layout alone makes the two quite distinct: Conte di Cavour is more traditional with the firepower split evenly fore and aft while Dunkerque has 100% fore and nothing aft. Thanks to this Dunkerque could angle herself quite aggressively and fire all her guns while, on the other hand, getting kicked in the butt the moment an enemy positions himself towards her aft(same issue for Richielieu). Then of course there are also other differences but there's no need to nitpick There's no need to nitpick to notice that they are outclassed. Even if we consider (as I myself have suggested) that their 320 mm rifles weren't that bad in regards to dispersion, they just cannot stand up to the Modéle 1931; the weight that can be thrown in a minute is superior, but it's a weight that has inferior characteristics of penetration and flatness of trajectory, not to mention that their range is more than 10 km smaller. Armor-wise, even the Dunkerque itself is overall better protected, since its belt is uniformly 225 mm thick (while that of the Cavour and the Duilio classes is more tapered), not to mention that the deck is definitely stronger. The turrets are also stronger (I can't say if the stronger roof of the Italian turrets, 230 mm vs 150-160, can be a sensible edge, though). And speed-wise the French battleships can determine the range well enough, having a speed advantage of some 3-4 knots. Unless of course the Italian BB can show up unespectedly at close range, but that's a pretty substantial "if". IRL, it was sketchy, as there were eventually four Italian modernized BBs, against the two Dunkerques, but one-on-one the advantage clearly lies with the French ship. In a straight engagement, an Italian "Voronoff" (as they called them) can only hope that one of its shells will do something critical, and pray for their 330 mm to miss. And that if its French opponent decides not to stay comfortably out of range and play sniper. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #686 Posted July 22, 2016 Well I was just considering the most evident difference without taking into account the, abeit many, limitations of the reconstruction(since they had to start from an already existing pre all-or-nothing hull rather than start from scratch like in case of Dunkerque). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #687 Posted July 25, 2016 While we are waiting for the question to get answered the guy who tipped me off regarding the tier X is still searching for new images and, in general, new pieces of info. I'll let you know the moment I get news. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #688 Posted July 25, 2016 While we are waiting for the question to get answered the guy who tipped me off regarding the tier X is still searching for new images and, in general, new pieces of info. I'll let you know the moment I get news. Keeping my fingers crossed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcopax99 Players 1 post 22 battles Report post #689 Posted July 31, 2016 Great work! I hope that the italian ships will be added in the game. I want to try them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #690 Posted July 31, 2016 Great work! I hope that the italian ships will be added in the game. I want to try them! Thank you! Eventually but it will take time, how much is currently unknown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #691 Posted August 5, 2016 Bad news, I'm afraid... The article on Storia Militare is not about the Ciano-class (besides, if I had some brain cells active when I pointed to this upcoming article, I might've thought that they would have been light cruisers rather than scouts...), but about three designs of esploratori oceanici (oceanic scouts) designed after the Great War, and sponsored by Admiral Thaon di Revel. Sorry for the unjustified interest, this is a bad derp on my part! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #692 Posted August 5, 2016 They could still be interesting thpugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #693 Posted August 5, 2016 They could still be interesting thpugh True that. Want me to scan the article and send it to you? We might find something useful in that "what-if" design. I might be wrong, but they kind of look like something roughly comparable to the British C-class cruisers, more or less. They're in that class, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #694 Posted August 5, 2016 Could be a useful tier III/IV candidate. At the moment I'm in London but you can send it to me no problem! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #695 Posted August 21, 2016 Sorry for taking so long; the previous days were a bit hectic! Anyway, here it is, the scans of the article! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #696 Posted August 21, 2016 Sorry for taking so long; the previous days were a bit hectic! Anyway, here it is, the scans of the article! Don't you worry, it's normal. I'll read it right away! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #697 Posted August 21, 2016 I read it(there's a blackout on my apartment building so editing on the phone can't be done properly). Anyway Acton's project looks like it is a tier IV candidate, the only weirdness I encountered is that there is a discrepancy between the text and the sheet regarding torpedo armament(nothing too problematic). A shame there isn't an image of the ship in question but oh well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #698 Posted August 21, 2016 I see; I hadn't noticed it. Well, a typo here and there is a must in every publication, even the most rigorous one, I guess! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #699 Posted August 21, 2016 Duely hope the Italian Navy gets added to the game next! Potentially paired with the French :-) Love those Italian designs! Btw: great proposals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #700 Posted August 21, 2016 I see; I hadn't noticed it. Well, a typo here and there is a must in every publication, even the most rigorous one, I guess! Considering they have to check everything it's plausible that a small mistake like this(just two numbers) can pass without noticing it. Duely hope the Italian Navy gets added to the game next! Potentially paired with the French :-) Love those Italian designs! Btw: great proposals Might happen but, considering WG has decided not to answer my question regarding the Italian ships, I'm not too convinced. Anyway thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
