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great amount of excellent work, TY very much +1

 

Thank you, really appreciated!
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Tier VI/VII: Maestrale I

NOTE: I have excluded the post war refits since they changed the role of the ship. Due to the margin of improvements i decided to split Maestrale into two tiers since i think the 1943 refit of Grecale is potentially overkill at tier VI, especially if the 120/15 gets replaced with the 120/50. This of course may change.

 

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Story

The Maestrale-class is basically an enlarged Dardo-class. Length was increased to improve sea worthiness, category in which the Dardo-class lacked. As a consequence weight increased but, thanks to a sound hull design, the maximum speed remained unchanged even without increasing the installed power. Also the armament remained unchanged although during WWII it saw many modifications. There are four ships of this class: Maestrale, Libeccio, Grecale and Scirocco. Three of them were lost during the war: Libeccio sunk by a submarine on 9/11/1941, Scirocco was lost due to a storm on 23/3/1942 and Maestrale was struck by a mine on 9/1/1943, towed to Genoa and then scuttled on 9/9/1943. Salvaged by the Germans who scuttled her yet again before the end of WWII. Grecale survived WWII and served with the MMI(Marina Militare Italiana, Italian Military Navy) as an ASW destroyer, after a post-war refit. She even became the flag ship of the Italian Navy when Duca degli Abruzzi was stricken and Garibaldi was under refit. She was stricken on 1964, thirty years later her completion.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 1615 tons

Full load displacement: 2207 tons

Length: 101.6 m(water line), 106.7(overall length)

Beam: 10.2 m

Draught: 3.31 m

Installed power: 44.000 hp

Maximum speed: 38 knots

Armament: 2x2 120/50, 2x1 40/39, 2x2 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT

Refits:

-1939/1940, all: -2x1 40/39, 2x2 13.2/76; +6x1 20/65

-1942, all survived: +1x1 120/15

-1942, Maestrale: -1x1 120/15 - 1x2 120/50; +2x1 120/50

-1943, Grecale: -6x1 20/65, 1x3 533 mm TT; 2x1 37/54, 6x2 20/65

 

 

 

Oriani

NOTE: cannibalized for the more powerful machinery

 

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Story

Also known as Poeti-class this class is basically a Maestrale with more installed power. Four ships of this class were built: Oriani, Carducci, Gioberti and Alfieri(all Italian poets). Three of these ships were lost: Gioberti on 9/8/1943 due to a submarine, Alfieri and Carducci on 28/3/1941 at Cape Matapan. Those two destroyers were the escort of Zara and Fiume, two Zara-class cruisers, sent out by Admiral Iachino to tow back home the disabled Pola, another Zara-class cruiser. That night the Mediterranean fleet caused severe losses: all three cruisers plus their escort were lost and from that day on the Italian Navy never tried again to attack in force. The last surviving ship, Oriani, served with the Italian Navy after the Armistice until the end of WWII. After that she was given to France as war reparation.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 1675 tons

Full load displacement: 2254 tons

Length: 101.6 m(water line), 106.7(overall length)

Beam: 10.2 m

Draught: 3.42 m

Installed power: 48.000 hp

Maximum speed: 38 knots

Armament: 2x2 120/50, 4x2 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT

Refits:

-1939/1940, all: -4x2 13.2/76; +8x1 20/65

-1942, Gioberti, Oriani: -1x3 533 mm TT; +1x1 120/15, 2x1 37/54, 2x2 20/70

 

Tier VII: Soldati I series

 

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Story

The Soldati-class I series is the pinnacle of evolution of destroyer development, started with the Palestro-class. Compared to the previous Oriani-class the Soldati-class had more efficient machinery, better AA and had installed from construction an additional 120/15, replaced in most ships with a 120/50. Twelve ships of this class were built: Alpino, Artigliere, Ascari, Aviere, Camicia Nera, Bersagliere, Carabiniere, Corazziere, Fuciliere, Granatiere, Geniere and Lanciere. They primarily served with the fleet but after the many losses substained they were forced to escort convoys. Between the twelve ships eight were lost during the war: Artigliere was sunk by HMS York and HMS Ajax on 12/10/1940, Lanciere was lost due to a storm on 23/5/1942, Aviere was sunk by a submarine on 17/12/1942, Bersagliere was sunk by US bombers on 7/1/1943, Geniere was sunk again by US bombers on 1/3/1943, Ascari struck mines and sank on 24/3/1943, Alpino was sunk by British planes on 19/4/1943 then raised by the Germans and scuttled again on 24/4/1943, Corazziere was scuttled by the crew on 9/9/1943 then raised by Germans and sunk by Allied planes on 4/9/1944. The last four surviving remained under Italian control: Carabiniere was one of the units which helped the survivors of the battleship Roma and then interned at the Balearic. After WWII she served with the MMI until 1965 after being refitted for ASW. Granatiere was already at Taranto when the Armistice became active and she served with what remained of the Italian Navy(and future MMI) until 1958, refitted as the Carabiniere. Camicia Nera, later on renamed Artigliere after the fall of Fascism in honor to the fallen sistership, was with the fleet as Carabiniere when the Armistice became active but she sailed on with the rest reaching Malta. She served with the Italian Navy until the end of WWII and then was given to the Soviet Union as war reparation. Also Fuciliere was with the fleet and helped saving the survivors of the Roma and sailed towards the Balearic with Carabiniere. After WWII she was given to the Soviet Union as war reparation.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 1830 tons

Full load displacement: 2460 tons

Length: 101.6 m(water line), 106.7 m(overall length)

Beam: 10.2 m

Draught: 3.5 m

Installed power: 48.000 hp

Maximum speed: 38 knots

Armament:

-Carabiniere: 2x2 120/50, 4x2 13.2/76, 4x1 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT

-all others: 2x2 120/50, 1x1 120/15, 4x2 13.2/76, 4x1 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT

Refits:

-1941/1942, all survived: -4x2 13.2/76, 4x1 13.2/76; +4x2 20/65

-1941/1942, Carabiniere: +1x1 120/50

-1941/1942, Ascari, Camicia Nera, Geniere, Lanciere: -1x1 120/15; +1x1 120/50

-1943, Carabiniere, Granatiere: -1x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 37/54

-1943, Fuciliere: -1x1 120/15, 1x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 37/54

-1943, all survived: +(4-5) 20/65

 

Tier VIII: Maestrale II(Maestrale Potenziato)

 

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Story

This is a project which was developed around the same time of Soldati I. It was a much larger destroyer(2100-2200 tons standard load) with many improvements over the original Maestrale and over the contemporary Soldati. The primary armament was based on six 120/50, in three twin turrets, and the anti aircraft armament was greatly improved: four 37/54 and ten 20/65(a huge improvement compared to the twelve 13.2/76 considered for the original Soldati I). What doomed this sound project was the high unit cost compared to Soldati: for the same cost it was possible to build either eight of these destroyers or twelve Soldati and the Navy, which was in desperate need for escorts, chose the Soldati. Sadly i don't have much more information on them, at least not yet. I will update ASAP.

 

Tier VIII: Soldati II series

 

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Story

Soldati II was another project which had a lot of potential. Originally the second series was supposed to have twelve ships divided into two subclasses: four would have been similar to Carabiniere while the other eight were totally reworked. For this latter badge the important requirement was strong anti aircraft since the Navy required escorts for the new Littorio-class battleships plus the old Caio-Duilio which got extensive refits. Here are the armaments of the two designs:

-2x1 120/50, 4/5x1 90/50, 4/5x2 20/65

-2x2 120/50, 3x2 37/54, 5x2 20/65, 2x1 20/65, 1x3(later changed to 1x4) 533 mm TT

 

Between the two the second was chosen. It was soon abandoned due to the high losses substained during the early months of WWII and and the Soldati II became an iteration of the previous Soldati I with few modifications thanks to the battle experience obtained and with economy in mind(the engine power was reduced to 44.000 hp for that reason). The armament layout varied a lot between the ships which were completed but to make things simple i'll consider just the most common(2x2 120/50, 1x1 120/50 as primary and 4x2 20/65, 2x1 20/65 as AAA). This class was also the first destroyers to mount radars. Between the twelve originally proposed only seven were laid up: Bombardiere, Carrista, Corsaro, Legionario, Mitragliere, Squadrista and Velite. Only five were completed(Bombardiere, Corsaro, Legionario, Mitragliere and Velite), the last two were still under construction and remained unfinished. Of the five completed two were lost during WWII: Bombardiere was sunk by a British submarine on 17/1/1943 and Corsaro was sunk by mines on 9/1/1943 while trying to help Maestrale(also hit by mines). The three surviving were with the fleet when the Armistice was active: Velite and Legionario stayed with the fleet after the loss of the Roma while Mitragliere helped with the recovery and followed the other ships to the Balearic. At the end of WWII all three were given to France as war reparation.

 

Since the main difference with the I series is the armament of the original II series and the reduced installed power due to economic reasons(which won't have reason to exist in here since fuel isn't an issue) i won't write the technical data on this class.

 

 

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Tier IX: Medaglie d'Oro

 

Story

The whole line up to this point is pretty much a continuous work on a 1915 design to keep it with the standards. When WWII broke out the flaws on the designs became apparent: poor sea worthiness, range, poor accuracy of the primary armament and lack of proper AAA and ASW equipment. The project which was chosen to solve these issues was the Medaglie d'Oro-class, also known as Comandanti-class. The name comes from the namesakes: every ship was named after a commander who died earning the Medaglia d'Oro(the same medal earned by the captain of the Folgore). The original plan was to build twenty-four  ships, reduced to twenty by 1943. They were supposed to be built in three series(8-8-4 respectively), but not a single ship was ever completed due to the war. This was probably the finest destroyer ever designed by Italy but it came too late to change the outcome, as other sound designs such as RN Aquila(one of the two Italian aircraft carriers almost completed by the time the Armistice became active).

 

They were much larger than the previous destroyers(with full load displacement over 3000 tons) and the improvements were all across the board. Before talking about the improvement i prefer to talk about one radical change in this design: every single destroyer i wrote about in this topic was designed to be fast and only then was supposed to fight. The maximum speed of older destroyers were achieved only in light configuration and it was impossible to reach them with full load. On the other hand this destroyer wasn't meant to go fast: the maximum speed was "only" 34 knots, which doesn't sound a lot compared to the 38 knots of the older designs and the 40 knots of Capitani Romani placed at tier X. Another difference from the older designs was the presence of radar on every single ship, technology which was considered almost as witchcraft by the Italian Navy until Cape Matapan. Then there's a huge step forward as far as armament is concerned: the old 120/50 were replaced by the newer 135/45 in single mounts and AAA was improved drastically. The amount of AA guns was increased and the primary armament was mounted on DP mounts(although i have to verify this information). All this was achieved without sacrificing the torpedo armament which remained the standard 2x3 533 mm TT, making this class a good all rounder with good primary armament, AAA and reasonable torpedo armament(although Italy won't shine on that regard).

 

Here are the three series and their technical data

I series

 

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Technical data

Full load displacement: 3000 tons

Length: 120.7 m(overall length)

Beam: 12.3 m

Draught: 3.9 m

Installed power: 60.000 hp

Maximum speed: 34 knots

Armament: 4x1 135/45, 12x1 37/54, 2x3 533 mm TT

 

 

II series

 

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Technical data

Full load displacement: 3000 tons

Length: 120.7 m(overall length)

Beam: 12.3 m

Draught: 3.9 m

Installed power: 60.000 hp

Maximum speed: 34 knots

Armament: 5x1 135/45, 2x4 37/54, 2x4 20/65, 2x3 533 mm TT

 

III series

 

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Technical data

Full load displacement: 3200 tons

Length: 120.7 m(overall length)

Beam: 12.3 m

Draught: 3.9 m

Installed power: 60.000 hp

Maximum speed: 34 knots

Armament: 5x1 135/45, 2x4 37/54, 3x4 20/65, 2x3 533 mm TT

 

The differences between the series are on AAA(which changed on all three), an improvement in primary armament between the I and II and a change in engine layout between the II and the III(echelon instead of linear).

 

Tier X: Capitani Romani

 

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Story

In the early '30s France developed two fast destroyers: Fantasque and Mogador. Both were much faster than every Italian destroyer in line and, due to the rivalry between the two nations, Italy decided to respond accordingly. The answer was Capitani Romani. During all the line there's an increase in weight and installed power but with this class the Italian engineers decided to come very close to the boundary between destroyers and light cruisers to fit all the improvements. Compared to the latest pre-war destroyers the improvements are massive:

-better artillery armament, based on four twin turrets with 135/45 guns

-better AAA with 8x1 37/54 and 4x2 20/65(or 20/70)

-better torpedo armament with 2x4 533 mm TT

-more installed power with 110.000 hp, comparable(if not superior) to the values seen in most cruisers(only Trento and Bolzano had a more powerful machinery)

 

The trade of of all this is a big increase in displacement: over 5000 ton in full load configuration stretching the boundary between destroyers and cruisers since the tonnage is more similar to a cruiser but the design itself is more similar to destroyers(although brought to the extreme). Twelve ships of this class were ordered: Attilio Regolo, Scipione l'Africano, Pompeo Magno, Giulio Germanico, Ulpio Traiano, Ottaviano Augusto, Caio Mario, Lucio Cornelio Silla, Claudio Druso, Claudio Tiberio, Paolo Emilio and Vipsanio Agrippa. Of these only the first three came into service while the others remained uncomplete(although Giulio Germanico has a story worth mentioning). The three completed haven't seen much action due to how bad the situation was between 1942 and 1943. Their stories basically start with the Armistice: the Attilio Regolo was the lead ship of the few which helped the survivors of the Roma and brought them to the Balearic. She returned back home at Taranto, as the other ships, only on 1945. After WWII she was given to France as war reparation. The Scipione l'Africano was the escort of the corvette Baionetta, the ship used the King and the Italian government to flee southwards. After escorting the King to safety she stayed with the only two remaining Littorio-class battleships at Great Bitter Lake: Littorio(renamed Italia) and Vittorio Veneto. She was then given to France as war reparation. The last one with active service, Pompeo Magno, was at Taranto with the battleship Caio Duilio and she reached Malta safely. After WWII she was refitted with ASW equipment, renamed San Giorgio and served with the MMI until 1979 spending her final years as a training ship. The last ship worth mentioning is the Giulio Germanico, which was almost completed when the Armistice became active. She was at the shipyard of Castellamare di Stabia(near Naples) that day and her crew, lead by Corvette Captain Domenico Baffigo, helped with the defense of the base against the Germans sent to take the base and the ship stationed there. After three days of fighting Baffigo was invited by the Germans to negotiate. The negotiations never started: he was taken as prisoner, brought

to Naples and executed(for his action he got the Medaglia d'Oro). The ship was soon after scuttled by the retreating Germans, salvaged after the war and served with the MMI as San Marco. She got the same refit of her sistership Pompeo Magno/San Giorgio and remained in service until 1971.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 3987 tons

Full load displacement: 5600 tons

Length: 138.7 m(water line), 142.2 m(overall length)

Beam: 14.4 m

Draught: 4.9 m

Installed power: 110.000 hp

Maximum speed: 40 knots

Armament: 4x2 135/45, 8x1 37/54, 4x2 20/65(or 20/70), 2x4 533 mm TT

 

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So much information, it was a very nice read. :medal:

 

Thank you! It's a pleasure, thankfully because otherwise it would be a pain to continue due to the sheer number of ships i still have to do :teethhappy:

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-1942, Maestrale: -1x1 120/15; +1x1 120/50

 Ekhm, are you sure?

Mussolini's Navy: A Reference Guide to the Regia Marina gives 42 refit as:

-1x1120/15, -1x2 120/50 but +2x1 120/50 -I.e. overall number of main guns hasn't changed(120 singles were much more accurate and a/l modern mounts).

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 Ekhm, are you sure?

Mussolini's Navy: A Reference Guide to the Regia Marina gives 42 refit as:

-1x1120/15, -1x2 120/50 but +2x1 120/50 -I.e. overall number of main guns hasn't changed(120 singles were much more accurate and a/l modern mounts).

Yeah you're right, my bad. At the end it had a similar configuration of Legionario of the Soldati II-class. Thanks for pointing that out!

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LARGE DESTROYERS

Tier II: Poerio

 

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Story

The Poerio-class is the first large built by Italy. It was developed after the failure of the explorer cruiser Nino Bixio which wasn't satisfactory. Originally it started as a destroyer with a heavy focus in torpedo armament with eight torpedo tubes in total(two twin torpedo racks per side) and four 102/35 guns as main armament. Before entering service however the armament was changed: two torpedo racks were removed and replaced with additional guns. Three ships of this class were built: Poerio, Pepe and Rossarol. All three of them served actively during WWI in the Adriatic supporting MAS and escorting convoys and major vessels. Only Rossarol was lost, on 16/11/1918 due to a mine. After WWI the surviving Poerio and Pepe served with the Italian Navy until 1938, when they were given to the Spanish Nationalists.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 1028 tons

Full load displacement: 1216 tons

Length: 83.1 m(water line), 85 m(overall length)

Beam: 8 m

Draught: 2.8 m(standard load), 3.1 m(full load)

Installed power: 24.000 hp

Maximum speed: 31.5 knots

Armament:

-Original project: 4x1 102/35, 4x2 450 mm TT

-As built: 6x1 102/35, 2x2 450 mm TT

Refits:

-1917, all: +2x1 40/39

-1918, Poerio: -6x1 102/35; +5x1 102/45

-1918, Pepe, Rossarol: -6x1 102/35; +6x1 102/45

 

Tier III: Mirabello

 

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Story

The Mirabello-class is another large destroyers developed during WWI. It is a further step forward compared to Poerio. Mirabello was considerably larger than Poerio and that made space for a larger array of guns. Eight guns were mounted: either eight 102/35 or seven 102/35 plus a 152/40. The 152 mm however didn't last long because it was causing too much stress on the ship and was then replaced by the usual 102 mm. Three ships of this class were built: Mirabello, Riboty and Racchia. All three served during WWI and survived. Racchia was lost on 21/7/1920 near Odessa while escorting a convoy full of ex Russian POWs taken from the Austro-Hungarians. The other two surviving were still in service when WWII broke out and served primarily as escorts. Mirabello was lost due to a mine on 21/5/1941 during an escort mission. Riboty survived and remained under Italian control until the end of WWII. Riboty was the most active Italian destroyer of WWII and due to her extensive use she was discarted by the Soviet Union(originally was supposed to be given as war reparation). She remained at Taranto until the demolition happened in 1950.

 

Technical data

 

NOTE: as for now i will exclude the 152 mm since there aren't known ships with mixed primary armament, especially since it got replaced.

Standard displacement: 1784 tons

Full load displacement: 1972 tons

Length: 101.1 m(water line), 103.4 m(overall length)

Beam: 9.7 m

Draught: 3.3 m standard load, 3.6 m full load

Installed power: 44.000 hp

Maximum speed: 35 knots

Armament: 8x1 102/35, 2x1 76/40, 2x1 6.5/80, 2x2 450 mm TT

Refits:

-1920/1922, Riboty, Mirabello: -8x1 102/35; +8x1 102/45

-1922/1923, Riboty, Mirabello: -2x1 76/40; +2x1 40/39

-1942, Riboty: -2x1 102/45, 2x1 6.5/80; +1x1 40/39, 2x1 8/80

-1943, Riboty: -2x1 102/45, 3x1 40/39, 2x2 450 mm TT; 6x1 20/70(Oerlikon)

 

I don't think the 1943 refit will be implemented ingame since it would sacrifice too much firepower for AAA which isn't exactly that critical at tier III, especially since the 1942 refit is already good enough for a tier III destroyer.

 

Tier IV: Leone

 

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Story

As for the contemporary destroyers in the early '20s the large destroyers got further improvements on their design and the fruit of such improvements is the Leone-class. This class is larger than the predecessor with improvements on primary and torpedo armament. The primary armament was based on the new 120/45 in twin mounts while the torpedo armament was based on triple tubes instead of the twin tubes used before. All the armament was placed along the center line which made the Leone more effective than the predecessor. This improvements came at a cost since the full load displacement grew and, also due to a slightly reduced installed power, there was a small loss in maximum speed. Five ships were originally ordered: Leone, Pantera, Tigre, Lince and Leopardo. Only the first three were built and saw service, primarily in the Italian colonies in East Africa. All three were lost during the war: Leone struck uncharted rocks on 1/4/1941 while Pantera and Tigre were scuttled on 3/4/1941 to avoid capture.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 1745 tons

Full load displacement: 2289 tons

Length: 109.6 m(water line), 113.4 m(overall length)

Beam: 10.3 m

Draught: 3.2 m(standard load), 3.6 m(full load)

Installed power: 42.000 hp

Maximum speed: 34 knots

Armament: 4x2 120/45, 2x1 76/40, 2x1 6.5/80, 2x3 450 mm TT

Refits:

-1931/1932, all: -2x3 450 mm TT; +2x1 40/39, +2x2 533 mm TT

-1936, all: -2x1 76/40(to make room for the air conditioning system so this won't be considered)

-1938, all: +2x2 13.2/76, +2x1 6.5/80

-1939, all: -2x2 13.2/76, -4x1 6.5/80; +2x2 20/65

 

Tier V: Navigatori

 

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Story

The Navigatori-class was developed in response to the new French destroyers classes Jaguar and Guepard. They are unique as far as destroyer development is concerned because they are the only class with an echelon configuration for their engines(only the III series of Medaglie d'Oro had that same configuration). Other innovations compared to Leone are on the primary armament(with the 120/50 replacing the older 120/45), better AAA and better torpedo armament although the arrangement is unusual(two triple racks with two 533 mm TT one the sides and one 450 mm TT on the center). Twelve ships of this class were built: da Mosto, da Recco, da Noli, di Verazzano, Malocello, Pancaldo, Pessagno, Pigafetta, Tarigo, Usodimare, Vivaldi and Zeno. They were used primarily as escorts for convoys to and from Africa. During such missions most of the ships of this class were lost and, due to this reason, i prefer to talk about the ones i find worth mentioning. The ships worh mentioning are the Tarigo, the Vivaldi and the da Noli. The Tarigo was sunk during an escort mission on 16/4/1941. On that day she faced alone four British destroyers(HMS Jervis, HMS Janus, HMS Nubian and HMS Mohawk) and before going under she was able to hit HMS Mohawk with torpedoes, crippling her(she had to be scuttled). For this action the captain, Pietro de Cristofaro, and the chief engineer, Luca Balsofiore, got the Medaglia d'Oro. Vivaldi an da Noli have a sadder story: they survived until the Armistice and based at Civitavecchia when the Armistice became active. They were supposed to carry the King and his entourage southwards. The King decided to go to Pescara and the two destroyers had new orders: to go to the Maddalena and meet with the rest of the fleet. Both were sunk on their way by the Germans: da Noli was first hit by German coastal batteries based on Corsica and then hit by a mine. Vivaldi was badly hit by the coastal batteries but she was able to sail on although at only 10 knots due to the engine compartment being hit. She was then hit by German bombers and, due to the extensive damage, forced to scuttle. The captain, Alessandro Cavriani, and the chief engineer, Virginio Fasan, remained on board to speed up the process and both sank with the ship. For their action they received the Medaglia d'Oro.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 1935 tons

Full load displacement: 2580 tons

Length: 105.5 m(water line), 107.3 m(overall length)

Beam: 10.2 m

Draught: 3.4 m

Installed power: 50.000 hp

Maximum speed: 38 knots

Armament: 3x2 120/50, 2x1 40/39, 2x2 13.2/76, 2x(2x533 mm +1x450 mm) TT

Refits:

-1933/1934, all: -2x(2x533 mm +1x450 mm) TT; +2x2 13.2/76, 2x2 533 mm TT

-1939/1940, all except da Recco and Usodimare: reconstruction(new dimensions 109.3x11.2x4.2 m, displacement 2125/2888 tons); -2x2 533 mm TT; +2x3 533 mm TT; +2x2 13.2/76

-1940/1941, all survived: -2x1 40/39, 4x2 13.2/76; +(7-9)x1 20/65 or 20/70

-1942 Antonio da Noli, Nicolosso da Recco, Lanzerotto Malocello, Leone Pancaldo, Antonio Pigafetta, Ugolini Vivaldi, Nicoló Zeno: -1x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 37/54

 

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Daemon, I think esploratori should be left untranslated, the literal translation doesn't have a corresponding meaning in English, it's like translating hot dog as cane caldo in Italian.

 Ekhm, are you sure?

Mussolini's Navy: A Reference Guide to the Regia Marina gives 42 refit as:

-1x1120/15, -1x2 120/50 but +2x1 120/50 -I.e. overall number of main guns hasn't changed(120 singles were much more accurate and a/l modern mounts).

You sure have sharp eyes and good memory, Ainene. ;-)

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Kinda surprised the Andrea Doria didnt make the list. Would make for a good T6 BB while @ the same time bumping Caracciolo to tier 7.

As far as ive read the AD is a follow up of the Conte di Cavour and is succeeded by the Francesco Caracciolo.

 

The ship seems pretty solid if not a slightly weird setup.

 

Not the best source of information but seems pretty accurate 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Doria-class_battleship

 

*edit* hmz instead of just deleting.. this is the same class as you setup as T4-5 though the 2 you set there seem diffirent classes of eachother dunno

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Daemon, I think esploratori should be left untranslated, the literal translation doesn't have a corresponding meaning in English, it's like translating hot dog as cane caldo in Italian.

You sure have sharp eyes and good memory, Ainene. ;-)

 

Yeah i thought so too. I chose "destroyer leaders" because it's the closest to the concept(sort of). I'll fix that though.

 

Kinda surprised the Andrea Doria didnt make the list. Would make for a good T6 BB while @ the same time bumping Caracciolo to tier 7.

As far as ive read the AD is a follow up of the Conte di Cavour and is succeeded by the Francesco Caracciolo.

 

The ship seems pretty solid if not a slightly weird setup.

 

Not the best source of information but seems pretty accurate 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Doria-class_battleship

 

*edit* hmz instead of just deleting.. this is the same class as you setup as T4-5 though the 2 you set there seem diffirent classes of eachother dunno

 

Andrea Doria is the second ship of the Caio Duilio-class, she is just more known than the lead ship. In any case i don't think she would be able to compete at tier 6 while Caracciolo is fairly similar to other ships of that tier in terms of primary armament(Revenge, Queen Elisabeth, Bayern), developed around the same time. In any case the battleship line will require some work, plus it will take some time before i reach them(i have to finish the cruisers first).
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well i like this post think ill keep an eye on this 1 :) i kinda messed up on my own info i guess. (<3 that ship though > NF only but meh)

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CRUISERS

Tier I: Eritrea

 

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Story

RN Eritrea was a ship specifically designed to serve in the colonies in Africa. She was designed to fulfill multiple roles but her primary job was to support the subs based there. The construction started in 1935 and completed in 1937. After a mission off the coast of Spain(in that period there was the Spanish Civil War) she was rebased in Massaua. She stationed her until the 18/2/1941 when Supermarina(the Navy High Command) gave the order to sail to Japan and force the British blockade(at that time the British were conquering the Italian colonies). During the night she set sail towards the destination reaching Kobe on March. After reaching Japan she supported the submersibles which transported goods to Japan and fulfilled that role until the Armistice. On that day she was sailing to reach the Cappellini and, after getting the message, she sailed toward Ceylon avoiding Japanese patrols. She then supported Allied subs until the end of the war when was given to France in 1948.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: 2165 tons

Full load displacement: 3068 tons

Length: 87 m(water line), 96.9 m(overall length)

Beam: 13.3 m

Draught: 3.5 m normal load, 4.7 m max load

Installed power: 9100 hp

Armament: 2x2 120/45, 2x1 40/39, 4x1 13.2/76

Refits:

-1940/1941: -2x1 40/39, +2x2 37/54

 

Tier II: Quarto/Nino Bixio

 

 

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Quarto

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Nino Bixio

 

It may look strange to have two ships in the very same slot but there's a reason. They share the same armament and protection and they differ primarily in size(Bixio is bigger and heavier than Quarto), speed(Quarto is marginally faster) and armament layout(Bixio could bring to bear more guns than Quarto on a broadside). Both were developed around the same time and they are the base for the development of the line i placed above. Since they are fairly similar i decided to use them both in the same slot as presets. Quarto will be the stock configuration(even though she was overall more successful due to better machinery), and Bixio as final preset.

 

Story

Both Nino Bixio-class and Quarto were developed before WWI as scout cruisers. Quarto was a one-ship class while Nino Bixio had two ships: Nino Bixio and Marsala. All three served during WWI on the blockade arranged on the Adriatic to box in the Austro-Hungarians. All three ships survived WWI and kept service in the Italian Navy after that. From then on the three ships have different fates: Marsala and Bixio had to be scrapped because their machinery degradaded(Marsala on 1927, Bixio on 1929). Quarto on the other hand had a much better machinery which kept her going for quite some time. She served in the Italian colonies, replaced Libia in China and then come back home on 1938 to support the war effort during the Spanish Civil War. During that year there was an accident on the boiler room which caused her retirement. She was used as target from 1939 and then scuttled to obstruct the port at Livorno on 1944.

 

Technical data

Standard displacement:

-Quarto: 3271 tons

-Bixio: 3575 tons

Full load displacement:

-Quarto: 3442 tons

-Bixio: 4141 tons

Length:

-Quarto: 126 m(water line), 131.6 m(overall length)

-Bixio: 131.4 m(water line), 140.3 m(overall length)

Beam:

-Quarto: 12.8 m

-Bixio: 13 m

Draught:

-Quarto: 4.1 m

-Bixio: 4.1 m

Installed power:

-Quarto: 25.000 hp

-Bixio: 22.500 hp

Maximum speed:

-Quarto: 28 knots

-Bixio: 26.8 knots(Bixio), 27.5 knots(Marsala)

Armor:

-Quarto: 40 mm(deck), 100 mm(CT)

-Bixio: 40 mm(deck), 100 mm(CT)

Armament:

-Quarto: 6x1 120/50, 6x1 76/50, 2 450 mm TT beam (submerged)

-Bixio: 6x1 120/50, 6x1 76/50, 2 450 mm TT beam(submerged)

Refits:

-Quarto:

-1936: -3x1 76/50; 3x2 13.2/76

(in 1927 a sea plane was added but i don't think it will have it ingame)

-Bixio:

-1920, both: +2x1 40/39

 

Tier III: "Esploratore oceanico variante II"

 

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Story

//(to be updated)

 

Technical data

Standard displacement: //

Full load displacement: 4750 tons

Length: 130 m(overall length)

Beam: 14.6 m

Draught: 4.8 m

Installed power: 42070 hp

Maximum speed: 29 knots

Protection: 50 mm(belt), 25 mm(deck),

Armament: 6x1 152/50, 5x1 40/39, 10x533 mm torpedo tubes(2x3 and, from what I can gather from the image, 4x1)

Refits: //

 

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Deamon93 thank you for this topic!!!! Thats so interesting! I could read this all day long!! Thank you!:popcorn:

 

You're welcome! Glad you enjoy the read :honoring:
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I hope to see know the documentation of the battleships! :P Like the Littorio class (Roma) :P

 

It will take a long way before i reach the Littorio-class but eventually i'll get there. If tomorrow goes according to plan i can try to finish the cruiser line the day after(excluding the tier X due to the fact i haven't that much info on her). Then i'll go on holiday so the battleships will have to stay on hold until i'm back.

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It will take a long way before i reach the Littorio-class but eventually i'll get there. If tomorrow goes according to plan i can try to finish the cruiser line the day after(excluding the tier X due to the fact i haven't that much info on her). Then i'll go on holiday so the battleships will have to stay on hold until i'm back.

As some hint how it could look - 1937' design task looked like:

Weaponry: IX - 254mm guns in triple turrets with 150 shells per gun. VIII 130mm guns in twin turrets,  VIII 100mm AA guns, 16 377mm authomatic AA guns, 2x triple torpedo banks; 2x planes on catapults; armor protection to provide non-penetration of vertical armor by 203mm shells at course angles 40-50 and 130-140 at distances above 60cbt(cables), and non-penetration of decks below 150cbt by same shell+resist 250kg airbomb from 4'000m; Ability to sail not below 600 miles at full ahead and 3000 at cruise speed; with maximum fuel load - 8000miles. Speed - not below 34 knots with normal fuel load. Standart displacement - not above 22-23kt, siluette resembling "Battleship B".

Wrong info. I've found on "our side" mentions of Ansaldo works, but they refer to earlier projects(1934-35); task above is direct ancestor of Kronshtadt class.

Thus this refers to so called "cruiser X" tasks, 15'500-20'000t designs with 240-280mm main battery.

 

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As some hint how it could look - 1937' design task looked like:

Weaponry: IX - 254mm guns in triple turrets with 150 shells per gun. VIII 130mm guns in twin turrets,  VIII 100mm AA guns, 16 377mm authomatic AA guns, 2x triple torpedo banks; 2x planes on catapults; armor protection to provide non-penetration of vertical armor by 203mm shells at course angles 40-50 and 130-140 at distances above 60cbt(cables), and non-penetration of decks below 150cbt by same shell+resist 250kg airbomb from 4'000m; Ability to sail not below 600 miles at full ahead and 3000 at cruise speed; with maximum fuel load - 8000miles. Speed - not below 34 knots with normal fuel load. Standart displacement - not above 22-23kt, siluette resembling "Battleship B".

 

 
Thanks! Because i had very little information about that ship taken from here. It will still be more difficult to make a full technical data sheet but this would help!

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Yeah i thought so too. I chose "destroyer leaders" because it's the closest to the concept(sort of). I'll fix that though.

 

 

Andrea Doria is the second ship of the Caio Duilio-class, she is just more known than the lead ship. In any case i don't think she would be able to compete at tier 6 while Caracciolo is fairly similar to other ships of that tier in terms of primary armament(Revenge, Queen Elisabeth, Bayern), developed around the same time. In any case the battleship line will require some work, plus it will take some time before i reach them(i have to finish the cruisers first).

I would even simply call them large destroyers, but destroyer leader should be fine too.

 

I'm sincerely of the opinion that the US cruiser line in its current form makes any effort at making a decent Italian line almost vain.

Both Nino Bixio-class and Quarto were developed before WWI as explorer cruisers

Ahem, scout cruiser in this case.

 

Sorry if I'm obsessed with terminology and good work with the thread.

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I would even simply call them large destroyers, but destroyer leader should be fine too.

 

I'm sincerely of the opinion that the US cruiser line in its current form makes any effort at making a decent Italian line almost vain.

Ahem, scout cruiser in this case.

 

Sorry if I'm obsessed with terminology and good work with the thread.

 

Yeah, sorry. I'm doing all these ships in bulk and i can derp(that's why i'll use/abuse you as grammar/terminology nazi :teethhappy:).

 

Regarding the cruiser line yeah, i thought the same while starting the Condottieri-class. I'll do them regardless since the ships will pop up eventually, where who knows(and rearranging the line takes less effort than building it from scratch).

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