BB's AP shells against DDs are to strong?

[Krikkio82]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

No. Actually I don't give a $%^& whether they nerf AP buff it or remove it form the game.

[Poseidon_marksman]

A normal ap hit with new mexico on a destroyer is about 2 k. and a dd have around 10-12k hp. i think its just fine.

Its very hard to get good hits on dd´s

[ColonelPete]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

 

Nope, it was always this way. Just do not get hit.

[waxx25]

I see what you did there OP lol. Your troll is strong.

 

P.S. If not trolling then wow. Is there no end to how pathetic a whine can get?

[chaosrealm93]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

 

you're probably way too close if the BB can land hits on you reliably

[WhiskeyWolf]

Lol at people who can't reliably hit a DD with a BB from 10km.

[Onsterfelijke]

Even when you hit a DD on 10km+ (which i do sometimes) you get very often a penetration which doesn't much damage so you survive. But if you are in front of my guns while detected and there aren't any other shoots i just try to hit you

 

Only if your magazine explode your unlucky and your sunk which is very rare.

[Vincinzerei]

Just on a Sidenote:
When a BB shots a DD (who got no citadel) its for sure an overpen. Therefore the Gun only do 10% of the listed maximum Damage. Always.
If more Shells hit you, the better for the BB.
If he get Lucky and you receive a penetrating hit on one of your turrets, they can either be complete out of order, or explode which results in a quite nice Detonation but they are rare..

 

So if you tell us 

"It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before."

i would strongy recomend not going broadside against a Fuso or New Mexico in your Kamikaze R, at a Range where he can hit you with almost his shells.. ^^

[Asakka]

On the contraty. I think BBs AP shells should do more dmg to DDs

 

[Vanhal]

Just on a Sidenote:

When a BB shots a DD (who got no citadel) its for sure an overpen. Therefore the Gun only do 10% of the listed maximum Damage. Always.

 

 

Not always. Sometimes when you hit from the front or back or very angled DD the hit counts as normal penetration, so 1/3 of full damage. To easy check this, get an Ognevoi and try torp rush a BB.

I said that just for the sake of completion though, 95% of hits are overpens indeed.

[EsaTuunanen]

When a BB shots a DD (who got no citadel) its for sure an overpen. Therefore the Gun only do 10% of the listed maximum Damage. Always.

 

i would strongy recomend not going broadside against a Fuso or New Mexico in your Kamikaze R...

Bow showing destroyer takes normal penetrations.

While side showing destroyer gets overpenned.

 

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't situation:

Minimizing size as target makes fewer hits do more damage per hit, while being bigger target leads to more hits but with third of damage per hit.

[cro_pwr]

 

Not always. Sometimes when you hit from the front or back or very angled DD the hit counts as normal penetration, so 1/3 of full damage. To easy check this, get an Ognevoi and try torp rush a BB.

I said that just for the sake of completion though, 95% of hits are overpens indeed.

 

exactly this.

usually when you are nose front and the shell goes trough your whole ship

[Vincinzerei]

Bow showing destroyer takes normal penetrations.

Sure, but as you know the Dispersion and the Firerate of a BB yourself.. 

what do you expect more? 1 Shell right through the Bow.. or 3-4 Shells on the Broadside at ~5km against a BB? 

 

[krazypenguin]

i would strongy recomend not going broadside against a Fuso or New Mexico in your Kamikaze R, at a Range where he can hit you with almost his shells.. 

 

Nooooo, don't tell DD captains this!!  I'm grinding the Fuso right now and shotgunning enemy DDs with a 12 gun broadside of HE is literally the most satisfying feeling in the game!

 

Edit - On topic, no I don't think AP shells from BBs against DDs are too strong.  

[ColonelPete]

 

Nooooo, don't tell DD captains this!!  I'm grinding the Fuso right now and shotgunning enemy DDs with a 12 gun broadside of HE is literally the most satisfying feeling in the game!

 

Edit - On topic, no I don't think AP shells from BBs against DDs are too strong.  

Do not worry. The average potato does not look into the forum.

[anonym_DEInhM4yznj6]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

 

Just the fact, that there are people out there who actually learn to hit targets...

So just be thankfull your little DD doesnt have a citadel!

And the cyclones are a welcomed change of pace in high tier games. At least in my opinion...

So, no, I couldnt less agree!

[Zed_Von_Toza]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

 

​No no no.

 

BB AP on a DD will overpen.

 

And have you ever seen the size of the shells a BB fires? They are huge and heavy. Given the basic physics that force equals mass times acceleration, and these shells fly quickly the damage they do even when they overpen can be devastating, to a small ship like a DD.

 

Besides don't shoot AP at DD's in a BB unless you really have too, HE will take them down much more quickly. 

[Vincinzerei]

Besides don't shoot AP at DD's in a BB unless you really have too, HE will take them down much more quickly. 

 

Sometimes you just have the time to switch ammo Type.. would saved my [edited]yesterday.. but was a lost after all, last remaining ship against 6.. but took 5 with me ^^

[LetsRockAndRoll]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

 

This has to be the Shima captain I evaporated at 5.5km last night with my NC. Or it could be the Benson, then again it might be the Tashkent. 

Making DD's disappear is fun, stop trying to spoil my fun. 

 

 

 

 

[Nodorf_]

Since most BB AP flies straight through the DD, overpen, just be glad WG dont implement the feature of those shots causing flooding. Stop giving the BB's those shots, simple solution.

[Corvi]

Actually AP does way too little damage to DD's

[Spellfire40]

It seems to me BB's AP shells are dealing more damage to DDs than ever before. To mutch damage IMO, cyclones are also a buff to BBs. HE have to deal a lot of damage to DD but AP has to be nerfed. Do you agree ??

 

Ap overpren on dds nearly allways but if you get hit by 5 plus OP your doing something wrong in the 1st place. Thinking a BB is defenseless in Close range when your Charge a Fuso or New Mexico can be a costly miscalculation. Id noticed too that DDs ignore BB fire from Long range. Often hit DDs at 14km with 1-3 Shells because they think BB cant aim ,-))))

[PaiNzzz]

BB's AP shells on DDs seem fine to me. They do less damage than HE, but it is a gamble. Switching to HE for the DD can backfire and deny you a couple of good citadels on other ships or staying in AP can deny you incapacitations and fires, especially on DDs, so it can work both ways. AP shots on DDs will indeed almost always land as overpenetrations (10% of max damage), and in rare occasions will pass through the bow or stern and encounter enough resistance to deal a solid hit (33,33% of max damage).

 

In moderate distances, I fire at DDs sides almost as if shooting to get a citadel hit. This is a gamble as well, because some shells fall short on the water, but some benefit from the increased water resistance and then hit the DD, which leads to landing a 4k solid hit with just 1 shell. I have shot DDs many times for 6-9k, and I always fire AP when in BBs, aside from certain rare situations.

 

Let me know how this works for you guys!

[AgarwaenME]

 

​No no no.

 

BB AP on a DD will overpen.

 

And have you ever seen the size of the shells a BB fires? They are huge and heavy. Given the basic physics that force equals mass times acceleration, and these shells fly quickly the damage they do even when they overpen can be devastating, to a small ship like a DD.

 

Besides don't shoot AP at DD's in a BB unless you really have too, HE will take them down much more quickly. 

 

That's not how physics work...

 

It doesn't matter at all how large the mass is if the shell just plows through a few bulkheads (indeed as force equals mass* acceleration, when something doesn't accellerate, as in the speed doesn't change much as the shell passes through a DD, then there's little force put onto that DD). People love to spout "but this ship is firing shells the size of a car", but then they ignore that they're firing cars on something the size of 2000 cars.

 

Also as noted above, it's quite possible to get "normal" penetrations on DDs, and doing 50%+ of a DDs worth of hp in one salvo even with AP isn't unlikely at all. Is it too much? Maybe, but then I'm fine with DDs being vulnerable when spotted too close to their targets.