HELP! How can I be on the 'winning team'?

[katie111]

I really enjoy this game, overall, but recently it has been loss after loss after loss yet I have done well! Recently in a ranked battle, I capped, then sank their CV and then a BB and WE STILL LOST. 

 

I know there isnt an answer really but I cant see how this can be coincidence, how can I just keep ending up on the loosing side? Does the MM look at stats and put loosers with loosers? Are stronger sides being unfairly pitched against people who have lost recently? 

 

Sorry but 6 losses in a row when I have been in the top 3 EVERY GAME is suspicious. Games are supposed to be a challenge yes but this isnt fun anymore, just watching other people ruin things and not being able to do anything about it. Tonight, I saw a Koenigsburg sail RIGHT UPTO a smoke screen and then got torped at point blank range. He said, "wow never knew DDs were in the area.." That kind of mentality just sums up the people i get picked with, WHY????!!!! 

[SkybuckFlying]

Hi Katie, are you as sexy as your toon ?

 

Anyway, I looked at your stats and your kills to death ratio is a bit low, lower than 1.0 and your survival rate is also low around 20% or so.

 

So either:

 

1. Increase your kills to deaths ratio, meaning, kill more ships before you die.

 

2. Or try surviving more.

 

Everytime you die it takes away points of your team, and gives points to enemy team, so in a way that is helping the enemy team winning.

 

This is purely a statistical analysis ! ;)

 

(On top of that try holding more flags/defending them, though I can't see these kinds of statistics on warships.today).

 

Also try using torpedoes more, it says you rarely use them, they are very powerfull.

 

Perhaps you don't know that the game has "torpedo aim assist".

 

To activate this press X while aiming at an enemy, this should show a "grey aim assist cone" on the water.

 

If you should the torpedoes in the direction of the grey cone you have a higher chance to hit something.

 

(It can be turned on/off repeatedly by pressing X).

 

Bye

[ColonelPete]

If you are good and your team bad, it might not be enough to win. It happens.

 

Apart from that: Having high XP does not mean you did everything to win. Maybe there were things you could have done better.

[kfa]

Well there are always ups and downs, but on the long run there is only one constant in all of your matches. You.

If you always feel like losing you might have to do better, stick closer to your allies to survive longer.

[vartain]

Carry harder. There is no such things as 'being on the winning team', you either can carry your team to victory or you can't. Assuming that anyone on your team is actually competent enough to carry for you is a sure-fire way to losing.

[katie111]

Thanks for the tips but I know that kind of thing. I know i'm not a great player and ive often 'sucked' myself but my point is, even when I do WELL, I loose and thats what you see in the stats.

 

Look at this game from this evening,

 

I capped first for the team as well, yet despite all that, I cant do anything about players who get half what the other teams lowest player gets can I? 

 

(oh and no im not, im MUCH better than my avatar! :p ) 

[ColonelPete]

As I said, XP do not mean much.

[Ishiro32]

Game does not put you into the „losing” team. I have been on a teams which supposedly were destined to lose because of MM and we were winning those games decisively at the same time I can’t carry with some ships while I can with the others.


I am not playing a lot of DDs, but I am sure there are some players who could give you some tips, but long story short answer to your topic is… “you just have to carry harder”. There must be something more that you can do, maybe optimize your battle plan, think about some way to make sure your weaker teammates perform better etc. Just don’t give up and ganbatte!!


On the total offtopic. I don’t know why, that character in your avatar I always associate with traps. 

[katie111]

 short answer to your topic is… “you just have to carry harder”. 

Well, that made me smile at least! 

[Admiral_noodle]

"Sorry but 6 losses in a row when I have been in the top 3 EVERY GAME is suspicious"

 

That's not even unlikely, sadly

 

MM doesn't take account of skill and is random. 6 times in a row on a "less good" team isn't all that unlikely. However if you're good it will "even out" eventually. You just have to keep playing...

[viceadmiral123]

Just hope that you spawn with the red team. They seem to win most of the time.

[katie111]

Just hope that you spawn with the red team. They seem to win most of the time.

Yea, what the hell, i'm always on the green team!!! 

[VC381]

A few days ago I had a 124k damage game in my Nagato, First Blood, Devastating Strike, Confederate, even a damned Kraken... and lost. Sometimes $h!t happens and there's nothing you can do about it. 6 loss streak is not statistically unlikely, it takes many more games than that for your skill to average out against the other 23 people in your battle.

 

I would say don't get frustrated by it. A lot of people have negative bias and remember bad losing streaks more than good winning ones. Also, this will sound silly but don't "play to win". I mean, don't constantly put yourself under pressure to carry, because that makes you take dumb risks. It's a fine line to be aggressive enough to impact the game from the start but cautious enough to survive and keep impacting it to the end. Don't think about being on the winning team, just focus on playing your role as well as you can in the circumstances and your win rate will improve in the long term!

[XbodzioXplX]

You can't do much when you get bad teammates.

 

I'm trying to talking to other gamers. Like "I'm going B". And when team say - "No, we go A", then I go A.

 

But you know when you got in a wrong place at a wrong time. Shitp happens and even good players have bad days.

 

I like what SkybuckFlying said - look at your statistics. Try to live longer.

For few months I had something like - "Ok, nobody covers me, but we need to win so I will go there myself". It ends with certain death hehe.

Now I often stick to others. Because even when you are loosing you got still more chance to kill/cap/survive.

 

Oh... And buy duobloons and premium ships. And premium days. And flags. You will see the change.

Sadly this helps to have better winratio 

 

 

Good day guys

[EsaTuunanen]

Consider Ranked as Super Random because that's what it is.

WG rewards even worst scums for the efforts of team's good and OK players, while when couple good players get team of losers they'll get punished.

[Rasengan007]

@OP: Take heart, the matchmaking is random (although there are plenty conspiracy theories).

 

Now, ranked battles are different from normal battles in the sense that it is all about winning (sorry for disagreeing with you on this VC381, would have agreed if topic had been normal battles). It seems you want to play DD and judging from your score you end in top 3 exp (caps, damage). This is certainly something that CAN win games, however it may come at a price: while you're off capping (alone?) or killing the BB/CV far from the front lines what is the rest of your team doing? Getting killed by the enemy DD? Focus fired to death?

What if you had been screening your allies, spotting the enemy, getting into a fight with the opposing DD and killing it off? That certainly helps winning games. (ie preventing the enemy DD from getting 2 kills/capping/etc). Ranked battles can be pretty close so the actions of one player has a big impact (have lost myself due to one player deciding to go solo). Doing these things may not net you experience or kills but could help you win more games.

 

Another thing you could do is alternate a bit with different ship classes to get a better feel for their role in ranked. Also, take heart that you won't loose stars so you can actually experiment with nothing to loose

[eliastion]

Thanks for the tips but I know that kind of thing. I know i'm not a great player and ive often 'sucked' myself but my point is, even when I do WELL, I loose and thats what you see in the stats.

 

Look at this game from this evening,

 

I capped first for the team as well, yet despite all that, I cant do anything about players who get half what the other teams lowest player gets can I? 

 

(oh and no im not, im MUCH better than my avatar! :p ) 

 

I see one strange thing in that screenshot, btw - you're not supposed to lose a star when being the top (in XP) of losing team. This screen suggests you did lose one...

 

On another note - it seems that in this particular match you guys were simply outplayed. The enemy got more caps and you didn't manage to get them back. Which, incidentally, is a very important thing DDs are required for, especially if there is only 1 in each team. Look at the enemy DD - looking at his hp and kills I'm pretty sure he got that for capping and, perhaps, strategic shots to stop your allies from capping. Your team didn't do too well, but perhaps you personally focused too much on killing things as opposed to playing for the objectives?

Of course, that's just one game and one screen and everything's situational but I've seen matches lost because people were more concerned with damage and kills than caps. Of course if your team gets steamrolled you won't be able to hold any caps either but it's an important thing to remember - an open cap is usually much more important than a possibility of a good torping run.

[Phlogistoned]

If this is for 'Ranked' battles, then it sounds a bit as if OP is YOLOing. Killing enemy CV is usually not part of winning strategy for ranked.

 

It's much more about spotting and defending caps.

[JiksTBS]

As a DD the things you can do that strongly influence your win rate are:

 

- Contesting caps

- Screening against other DD's

- Sinking the enemy capital ships

- Providing supportive smoke

 

Often, these things require you to be in different places at the same time so positioning to allow as much of these to be done during the battle is key. Resist the urge to chase that fleeing BB if it means you will not be able to provide the other stuff for an extended period of time! You always need to be thinking where you will be needed next and plan accordingly. I say contesting rather than taking caps because it isn't always possible to do that at the first pass ... also it's not much use to take a point & then wander off, allowing the enemy to retake & then hold it.

 

As others have said, however good you are bad runs of results will occur. All you can do is go out, do your best and learn from any mistakes.

[Z_OnkelE]

If this is for 'Ranked' battles, then it sounds a bit as if OP is YOLOing. Killing enemy CV is usually not part of winning strategy for ranked.

 

Yes, my thought, too. After seeing 2 kills of three and one of these three the CV OP propably went for the CV. THAT is not how you play in Ranked or in Team Battles as a DD. Your place in the caps or near the caps just in front of the rest of your fleet. Anybody, except CVs obviously, who goes off to the map border will fail the team, especially as a DD.

 

Your job is NOT to hunt down anybody or do kills in general but to care for the map objectives first, always. You may go for a hunt if all caps are secured and there are maybe 2 or 3 ships left on the enemy team and your team just picks up this scatteres rest.

[Pricket]

Another tip is to talk to your team in chat. I always encourage the team to stay together and focus targets. And it seams to help even though sometimes there are people who don't care, or people who says "it's my first game in this ship", most people get the simple strategy.

I play a cruiser and hangs back with the BB's to screen for DD's and CV's if necessary, and when the DD meets enemy DD's I throw long shots to get the enemy to dodge instead of launching torpedoes or gun down our DD. Most of the time I don't do well in points or cash, but I get a 75% winrating. (and now it's probably going to hell from jinxing it )

[XbodzioXplX]

WG rewards even worst scums for the efforts of team's good and OK players, while when couple good players get team of losers they'll get punished.

 

That is why I would like to see something similar Ranked Battles (and it was said by many users before me).

 

 

The first player of the defeated team is treated like he is in the winning team (so something like 90-100% XP for him)

I belive you got that situation where your base XP is higher then the top 1 player from the winning team - so this would be fair in my opinion.

 

 

 

[krazypenguin]

 

 

The way I see it, there are 3 types of battles - ones you cannot win, ones you cannot lose and ones where you can make the difference between victory and defeat.  

 

Case in point, I played my Yubari at the weekend and the battle reached a point where it was me and 2 BBs (1 on very low health) versus 2 DDs and 2BBs (both on good health).  I managed to run down the first DD, dodged his torps and took him out with my guns, then just as he died, their other DD popped up.  With my blood up, I immediately went after him too and again dodged his torpedoes as I chipped away at his health.  But then, with him on low health and nearly dead, I went all herp-a-derp, and stayed on course as I desperately tried to finish him off, only to sail right into a new spread of torpedoes because he had reloaded.  Kaboom.  Glug, glug, glug.  One of our BBs finished him off a few seconds later but that left our 2 BBs on full health and very little health up against their 2 BBs both on full health.  As a result, we lost.  If I hadn't messed up we might have won.

 

Whilst there are undoubtedly many instances throughout the battle where every player make mistakes, it's only your ones that you can control.  The key to winning more games is looking at your gameplay, even the battles where you cap, sink their CV, sink their BB and still lost, and ask yourself, what could I have done differently to better our chances of winning?

 

In my example, the slow turret rotation on the Yubari meant that I stayed on a straight course for too long, because I was close to killing the DD, was desperate to finish him off as quickly as possible and wanted to keep both turrets on him as long as possible.  Now I know that next time I need to keep more distance, and sacrifice some firepower by turning more, in order to stay safer.

 

Edit - oh yeah, one other thing.  "The mission Major, above all the mission"  Remember what the victory conditions are think "is what I am doing now the best thing to help achieve those conditions?"  As others have said, going off hunting a CV might not be the best thing you can do.

[Phlogistoned]

Ahem. Yesterday I got into team twice with a DD player who YOLOed off after capping and pretty much single-handedly cost us both matches. But thanks to being far away from the caps (hunting CV I believe), he managed to kill one or two extra ships, ending up high in the list, and even top spot in one match.

 

So.. Current system definitely isn't scum-proof.

 

And no, I'm not talking about OP in a veiled way, even if it *may* apply.

[beercrazy]

platoon up with others and you then have 3 people who will support each other and can carry games

you damage dealt is quite low on average and you need to be looking at why that is and most likely its your play style now my damage on average isn't great but I have an average of 44500 per game and 57% win rate while yours is 19200 with 52% win rate

this says to me your either hanging too far back with bb and not getting stuck into the enemy from around the 10km to 14km where your shots will hit most of the time and will get some citadels or your getting too close and getting wiped out by dd and best way to stop getting torped to death is look at the map and note where all dd are and stay away from islands

for cruisers its a case of use ap on any other cruiser that's broadside and same for bb with some cruisers guns that are high calibre and try as much as possible to never go broadside to enemy

as for dds they are damn hard to play and do really well in but take your time and remember the game aint won in first 2 mins so don't rush off to enemy thinking you have to engage em as soon as you see em

 

your not going to suddenly become a great player but over time watching youtube videos of people and tactics (jingles videos may be fun to watch but his gameplay sucks bigtime) and remember we all stuff up