Is the Baltimore just a huge money grubbing scheme by WG?

[avrahams1]

So... I unlocked my first tier 9 not so long ago, the Baltimore, and after some battles in it the only conclusion is that WG use this ship to sucker you into putting some real money into the game.

 

I'm trying to grind through the stock Baltimore, and its quite literally unplayable, even when I'm top tier I can't win an engagement against a tier 7 cruiser - this is mainly due to the AWFUL stock range of 14.5km, which is basically tier 6 cruiser standards.

The only thing a tier 7 cruiser has to do to win an engagement against my amazingly bad Baltimore is to use about 70-90% of its max range and I can't touch the guy.

To make matters worse - the range upgrade costs 2m, so even if I unlock the upgrade with free experience (which I have) it won't help.

 

Another thing I noticed, and correct me if I'm wrong on this one - the Baltimore catches fire as if its soaked in gasoline, did you guys also experience this?

 

Should there be any ship that is THAT bad when stock?

 

From everything I've mentioned, the only reason I can think of why WG would release a ship THAT bad is to sucker people into buying in-game currency for real money and progressing through the ship's upgrades either by buying prem time or by converting free experience using gold.

[SBS]

Pretty much most ships stock have a hard time. But high tier cruisers are some of the worst, especially when you run in to high tier BB that just nuke them.

[avrahams1]

Pretty much most ships stock have a hard time. But high tier cruisers are some of the worst, especially when you run in to high tier BB that just nuke them.

 

Well... I've had my fare share of stock grinding, the Baltomore is so much worse.

As i said, even when I'm top tier I'm still at a disadvantage against every ship on the enemy team.

[Krizmuz]

good game design

[krautjaeger]

Of course it is. 24000 XP is 960 Doubloons, they want your cash.

[T_H_0_R]

Loved every match in Baltimore. If you need tips on how to play her, there is always a cruiser section of the forums.

[Shaka_D]

What would make it much easier and far less depressing to play a stock ship is if they gave it limited MM until the ship is upgraded. I mean taking a stock ships into many of these games is so demotivating it lessens the excitement of having worked hard to grind your way up to it in the first place. Nice that a game literally punishes you for hard work, lol.

[DJ_Die]

What would make it much easier and far less depressing to play a stock ship is if they gave it limited MM until the ship is upgraded. I mean taking a stock ships into many of these games is so demotivating it lessens the excitement of having worked hard to grind your way up to it in the first place. Nice that a game literally punishes you for hard work, lol.

 

Thats a bad idea because when youre top tier your performance matters a lot more and you have to contribute to the team effort while driving a gimped ship....thats why T9s often have such nasty grind... Not only does it take ages to fully upgrade them, but they also get to be top tier ships more often. Its not like having stock ships limits you so much more when youre in low tier as people tend to underestimate you

[Sub_Eleven]

You could hop on the PT to try her out fully upgraded to see if it's worth the trouble for you. It's always good practice to save some free xp to help you unlock hulls on new ships or other upgrades that make life much easyer.

 

Also, this weekend the GNB bonus is active, so if you have the means, grind the baltimore with any xp camos or flags you might have. I'm doing the same to get my cruiser captains leveled in the indianapolis. Premium account + premium ship + GNB event + flags should get me some nice progress on them.

[von_chom]

in every tech tree line (valid for wot also) there are 1-2 ships which are definitely stats/gameplay wise worse than their counterparts from other trees, thus forcing people to freexp them

nothing new

[22cm]

Also, this weekend the GNB bonus is active, so if you have the means, grind the baltimore with any xp camos or flags you might have. 

What GNB bonus? 

[Crow_Eschatologist]

From everything I've mentioned, the only reason I can think of why WG would release a free-to-play game is to sucker people into buying in-game currency for real money and progressing through the game either by buying prem time or by converting free experience using gold, thereby making a profit.

 

[Sub_Eleven]

What GNB bonus? 

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/gnb/milestones

[ilhilh]

You get plenty of free XP without converting by just playing the game.  If you can afford to and want to convert XP for dubloons then great but it totally isn't necessary.

 

Here is my guide to free XP:

 

1. Don't spend it on crap.  This includes never spending it to unlock the next ship - play a few more games instead!  Free XP is for modules and only modules.
2. When buying a new ship find out if it is terrible stock or acceptable - there are plenty of ships that you don't need to use any free XP on and if you don't have to spend it... don't spend it!
3. If your new ship does needs some help getting into a playable state, find out what modules will fix the major problems - don't free XP all of the modules.  For example, on a CV you might want to free XP to upgraded fighters immediately but you don't need to waste free XP for the TBs/DBs.  On the Fuso you need to get away from A hull ASAP but you don't need to get other upgrades as the Fuso will earn great XP and upgrade itself v quickly.

 

It is all common sense stuff but some people are impatient and waste all of their free XP only to complain when stuff like this happens.  I find it hard to be sympathetic.

 

What would make it much easier and far less depressing to play a stock ship is if they gave it limited MM until the ship is upgraded. I mean taking a stock ships into many of these games is so demotivating it lessens the excitement of having worked hard to grind your way up to it in the first place. Nice that a game literally punishes you for hard work, lol.

 

Nope.  See above.  And does stock just mean no upgrades?  Someone could buy the Ranger, upgrade the hull and still be essentially stock (no flight decks, no upgraded planes).  So do they face full MM?

[Ew_]

Technically WoWS in itself is a "huge money grubbing scheme by WG".

[Ferry_25]

Mostly agree with Ilhilh. And keep in mind every line has "that 1 (sometimes 2) ship" which you simply cannot make it function no matter what you do. AKA a mismatch. For me 1 example is the Farragut. Go left, go right, go up, go down, don't do, go back, fire, don't fire. The result was always the same (wet).... I used some free XP to partly bypass it. I didn't want to annoy myself any longer in it. Note: I'm not saying it's a bad ship. My relationship with it is bad!

[22cm]

Technically WoWS in itself is a "huge money grubbing scheme by WG".

 

Nailed it. 

[Panocek]

So... I unlocked my first tier 9 not so long ago, the Baltimore, and after some battles in it the only conclusion is that WG use this ship to sucker you into putting some real money into the game.

 

I'm trying to grind through the stock Baltimore, and its quite literally unplayable, even when I'm top tier I can't win an engagement against a tier 7 cruiser - this is mainly due to the AWFUL stock range of 14.5km, which is basically tier 6 cruiser standards.

The only thing a tier 7 cruiser has to do to win an engagement against my amazingly bad Baltimore is to use about 70-90% of its max range and I can't touch the guy.

To make matters worse - the range upgrade costs 2m, so even if I unlock the upgrade with free experience (which I have) it won't help.

 

Another thing I noticed, and correct me if I'm wrong on this one - the Baltimore catches fire as if its soaked in gasoline, did you guys also experience this?

 

Should there be any ship that is THAT bad when stock?

 

From everything I've mentioned, the only reason I can think of why WG would release a ship THAT bad is to sucker people into buying in-game currency for real money and progressing through the ship's upgrades either by buying prem time or by converting free experience using gold.

 

Tier 9 in general are very expensive to upgrade and set up, ship itself and hull/cannon/gun control/torpedo upgrades often cost more than tier 10 ship. Add to that 7 millions worth of upgrades for all 6 slots and here you go, nice moneysink.

And if you stack Baltimore on top of that, which is very mediocre ship to start with, butthurt or other rage is guaranteed.

 

Oh, if you don't like upgraded Baltimore cannons (with superheavy AP shells), don't progress towards Des Moines - she uses the same guns with the same slow shell velocity, only quantity of shells changes.

[Mister_Greek]

Technically WoWS in itself is a "huge money grubbing scheme by WG".

 

Gaijin though is unsurpassed in that sector....

 

Looking at you War Thunder...

 

 In a serious tone,stay AWAY from High tiers for now OP. No reason to play them.

[daki]

Technically WoWS in itself is a "huge money grubbing scheme by WG".

 

Indeed.

Though earning money is the goal of every company.

That is why this type of thread is pointless since we can say that about all major developers, i.e.  that every single one of them is running "huge money grabbing schemes".

Hell, we can even say that for every single commercial enterprise.  I wonder if those who whine about the "schemes" here on forum also go to their local bakers or shops (or whatever) to whine and accuse them of "money grabbing schemes".

[BadGene616]

Personally i liked the Baltimore. I had some mister games in it elited. But it can be unforgiving.

 

Strangely I didn't think much of the new Orleans though.

 

Playing a t9 ship without the upgrades and modules is going to be painful.

It's going to be agony of you've not got a decent captain.

 

For a ship with such a simple proposition, learning to use her well is a step learning curve. Getting the ap to work well is worth learning... essential. This is not an he spammer.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

Personally i liked the Baltimore. I had some mister games in it elited. But it can be unforgiving.

 

Strangely I didn't think much of the new Orleans though.

 

Playing a t9 ship without the upgrades and modules is going to be painful.

It's going to be agony of you've not got a decent captain.

 

For a ship with such a simple proposition, learning to use her well is a step learning curve. Getting the ap to work well is worth learning... essential. This is not an he spammer.

 

the stock range of balti is a nightmare, well latter ship wasnt that bad

[avrahams1]

Ew_, on 10 June 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

Technically WoWS in itself is a "huge money grubbing scheme by WG".

 

Gaijin though is unsurpassed in that sector....

 

Looking at you War Thunder...

 

 In a serious tone,stay AWAY from High tiers for now OP. No reason to play them.

 

I'm starting to think the same thing... the high tier economy is really bad, even at tier 8 unless you do exceptionally well in a match and live through it, the money you'll make will be minimal, usually you'll lose money..

 

Ew_, on 10 June 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

Technically WoWS in itself is a "huge money grubbing scheme by WG".

 

Indeed.

Though earning money is the goal of every company.

That is why this type of thread is pointless since we can say that about all major developers, i.e.  that every single one of them is running "huge money grabbing schemes".

Hell, we can even say that for every single commercial enterprise.  I wonder if those who whine about the "schemes" here on forum also go to their local bakers or shops (or whatever) to whine and accuse them of "money grabbing schemes".

 

No smartass, I understand WG are a business, my complain was (and is) that ships like the Baltimore and the entirety of  the high tier economy is much less "free to play" and more "pay to play",

[avrahams1]

Personally i liked the Baltimore. I had some mister games in it elited. But it can be unforgiving.

 

Strangely I didn't think much of the new Orleans though.

 

Playing a t9 ship without the upgrades and modules is going to be painful.

It's going to be agony of you've not got a decent captain.

 

For a ship with such a simple proposition, learning to use her well is a step learning curve. Getting the ap to work well is worth learning... essential. This is not an he spammer.

 

I think I've got a pretty good understanding of how to play the higher tier USS CAs - the NO is similar to the Balti, having slow firing, hard hitting guns and decent anti-cruiser armor.

 

[daki]

 

I'm starting to think the same thing... the high tier economy is really bad, even at tier 8 unless you do exceptionally well in a match and live through it, the money you'll make will be minimal, usually you'll lose money..

 

 

No smartass, I understand WG are a business, my complain was (and is) that ships like the Baltimore and the entirety of  the high tier economy is much less "free to play" and more "pay to play",

 

Wow, you are a rude little one

Hello Mr. wiseguy, what are tier 5 ships for? To grind money to finance high tier battles...