Reporting Players - MUST MAKE MORE EFFECTIVE

[Master_Spirit]

Hello WG and WoW players,

I hope i opened this topic in the right place, please forgive me if i didn't.

I decided to write this post because i am really fed up and very frustrated with how powerless and helpless i feel (and i assume many others) with dealing with players that are just behaving like assholes in game. I'm not talking about the occasional players that are just bad and cant keep their mouth from swearing a bit, I'm talking about those players that deliberately behaving like assholes. By assholes i mean, hiding behind some islands the whole battle and wait till others will die, or go and hide far away from battle in some remote corner, or just sit and do nothing at all, and if confronted by others to start and help the team, their only response is swear in the chat, and im not talking about "soft" swearing, i mean full x rated swearing.. that has no place in this game at all.

 

Not to mention that by them hiding and coward, or sail far from any battle, just ruins the game for the other 11 players. Sometime that one ship makes the difference, and if he/she cant play as team or at least try to, for the rest is really frustrating.

I cant count how many battles we lost just due to that one ship missing in battle.

 

The most frustrating thing is that, we, the actual players that love this game, and some of us pay good money for it, have absolutely no power to stop players like that. The reporting system feels useless, and i personally reported numerous times players, that i kept seeing coming back.

 

There is must be some sort of system that we can submit reports, with detailed screen shots, with maybe submitting replays, something to stop those people from ever participate in this game. They are just there to ruin the game for the rest, and they enjoy doing so.

 

I really cant express how much this frustrated me, i love this game and love the community, and i invest good amount of money in this game, because i love it, but with everyday passes, i feel more and more frustrated, and frankly starting to lose my fun. These people are seen more often now then ever, and it seems no one is doing anything against it.

 

I hope that WG people will see my point and will develop some sort of moderation with live people that can take and review battle replays and judge to see if anyone violate the spirit of this game. I hope severe punishment can be done - otherwise it will have no affect same as the friendly fire penalty has almost no affect now.

 

I don't believe that the developers of WoW had in their vision having players like that playing the game, and i hope others from the community will jump in and express their opinion too on this subject.

 

In summary - for me personally i don't know how much more of this i can take, i can understand new players, players that are not yet experienced, players that don't know the basics - that all ok, I am myself learning all the time, but players that behaving like bullies, assholes and selfish irritating persons, especially the ones that swear it out in chat - has no place in this game. At least either they or me will must go eventually, and i only hope that WG staff actually prefer players like me to stay, over the ones that ruin this game for the rest of us.

There must be a better system to report and stop these people.

 

Sorry for the length of this post

 

MS

[AmazingBeaver]

 

I'm an a$$, I admit it.

 

I'm really sorry for my recent actions, 

Selfishly searching for your reactions. 

What I did was not very kind, 

I don't know what, got into my mind.

Something wrong with my psychology, 

From my heart I bring this apology. 

 

 

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

dont forget there is bunch fake reports like buthurts and etc ,

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

dont forget there is bunch fake reports like buthurts and etc ,

 

Yeah, especially the most recent example with Strangers and his buddies abusing it to hound a guy just because his CV didn't have a fighter-setup. Case in point, if it can be abused, it will be abused.

[General_Kunde]

The most frustrating thing is that, we, the actual players that love this game, and some of us pay good money for it, have absolutely no power to stop players like that. The reporting system feels useless, and i personally reported numerous times players, that i kept seeing coming back.

 

True, I reported so much useless 40-50% winrate boys (15-25k avg. damage after thousands of games), but they never disappear!!!

 

Honestly:

Welcome to the internet, get over it and live on....

 

 

[Slauter]

There are players that simply refuse to do the right thing and win the game.

An example: domination mode, 3 cap zones, we held 1, enemy team 2, we had 5 ships, enemy team 2...a guys was sailling in his new mexico 100 meters from B cap zone refusing to cap it AND 8 km's from one of the two last enemy ships alive (a cruiser which was hiding parked behind an island from the rest of the team) not taking a shot to him. We lost the game that was practically won, just because that guy decided he didn't want to win.

We were all yelling at him and later swearing, can you understand why?

[cryonic_273]

Reporting people for their below average play - rather than their behavior in a match - is not useful use of the feature. 

 

A player who is improving may have below average damage - due to playing low tier - where damage and xp is lower. 

If he has played a thousand games - it will take a lot of wins and a lot of higher damage to move his scores up to average.

 

Dont report people for their historical behavior - only for the behavior in the game you saw them in. 

 

[AgarwaenME]

dont forget there is bunch fake reports like buthurts and etc ,

 

Indeed, dominating a game is as likely to get your reported as commended.

[ilhilh]

It would be nice if the reports could be effective, for example, at getting bots banned but the example given by the OP is essentially someone not playing the game how the OP wants them to and this is not a bannable offence.

 

He might have lost count of the number of games where 1 player firing over an island has lost the game but on the flip side I've lost count of the games where I have had to turn back and defend (my play-style is aggressive - I am not a camper) only to get called a camper/coward/noob only to finish top of our team and by some margin.  I know how this happens - they get to a point where they are swarmed and die.  They get angry.  They look at the mini map.  They see someone like me near spawn with 0 kills (and god help you if you are in something like a Tirpitz because they will defo assume you just bought your way to tier 8).  Insta-blame.  They have no idea what I've done for the past 12 minutes of the game, they have no idea what has either pushed me back towards spawn or threatened it enough to make me return - all they see is that I'm alive.

 

People are irrational.  Players spend most of their time in a game focussed on their own play and as such don't usually have much of clue what other players have been up to all game - this makes them totally unsuited to judging whether someone should be banned.

 

And do you think banning someone for sitting behind an island will make them  sit there and go "gee, I must have been playing badly, I should probably spend my ban period watching youtube clips and then in future do whatever the shoutiest person tells me to do"?

 

Not to mention the abuse the system is open to now from people who are bitter that they got schooled.  I watched someone go mental in chat the other day and report one of my team mates because the guy detonated him.  He even apologised, but because a game mechanic kicked in and killed the enemy he felt it was ok to insult our player for about 2-3 minutes and report him.  C'mon!

[JG4_sKylon]

I see those guys also more often lately.

Not talking about people who play bad or have no clue.

 

Talking about a DD player not moving. After calling him he started engines and drove away from enemy to map border, telling he is smoking weed.

Then he hid behind the team for the rest of the game, did nothing and earned ~120 xp for making jokes in the chat?

 

Talking about another DD following and hiding behind our CV for almost the complete game, refusing to cap, instead driving around the cap zones and talking [edited].

 

Talking about a player who pressed the F keys for the complete length of the round.

 

Talking about teamkiller divisions.....

[Master_Spirit]

I think my point is a bit missed, i guess i didnt make the right emphasize.

I am not talking at all about players that sit behind islands, or hide most of the game, or like ilhilh said, players who in many cases got mistakenly blamed for not doing anything.

I am talking about the ones that do it deliberately, the ones that if you ask them what they doing or why they not helping, their immediate response is swearing at everybody and keep doing the same, disputes and arguments will always be, but its easy to see who does it on deliberately and who don't.

I'm not saying there should be a button in game that i press and poof the player is banned or punished immediately - what im saying is that should be a forum, with real live people that can see a replay of a game and decide what is considered deliberate anti social gameplay - or just poor tactics and decide what can be done about such players.

 

In addition, i thought that the "karma" system was a nice idea, but it was never used properly in my pinion. For example, if a player keeps getting bad reputation time after time for bad gameplay - he will need to complete some training or he will be able to play only certain games until his skills improve. I am not sure exactly how it should work, but there must be some way to encourage players to become good in this game and not just sail around and ruin it for the others.

Maybe for these type of situations (players just plays poorly) - their reputation and overall score will be visible to everybody clearly in the game (same as pink ones do) - maybe it will encourage them to do better.

 

And for the abuse part - everything in the internet is abused and misused - if its possible - it will happen, so saying that because of possible abuse we should leave it as is is wrong in my opinion. Just need to think about something that will not allow abuse as much as possible.

 

MS

[Master_Spirit]

I see those guys also more often lately.

Not talking about people who play bad or have no clue.

 

Talking about a DD player not moving. After calling him he started engines and drove away from enemy to map border, telling he is smoking weed.

Then he hid behind the team for the rest of the game, did nothing and earned ~120 xp for making jokes in the chat?

 

Talking about another DD following and hiding behind our CV for almost the complete game, refusing to cap, instead driving around the cap zones and talking [edited].

 

Talking about a player who pressed the F keys for the complete length of the round.

 

Talking about teamkiller divisions.....

 

Exactly my point... and there is nothing we can do about them, no way to stop them from playing..

[TomaszuJerzy]

Some of us enjoy mature language. Instead of getting rid of swearing players so game looks like you want, if anything they should make two servers, one for "kids" and one 18+. The other thing is who decides that i'm not contributing to gameplay. Yesterday ive got dds calling me coward in my yamato for staying 3 squares back from front line, while theres was 3 enemy topr dds in front, not spotted for the whole game. And this guy in shima, who was staying back and ninja torp the whole game is calling me a noob and coward. Well, i've called him a idiot [edited], as english is not my first language and i find myself struggling for proper insults. Anyway i've heard that people who don't rage have increased risk of heart attack. Peace and love.

[shockinhockin]

Interesting views here

 

My 2 pence worth

 

Should a player be reported solely on the fact that there win rate is below 50% ...... NO ..... Think about it if everyone had high win rate then knowone would be there to lose the match on the other team. Therefore you wouldn't have a high win rate as there wouldn't be anyone to play agenst as they would all be banned. Then your win rate would go down as you meet better players as there the only ones not banned. Your win rate then drops, then you would be banned. So one and so forth until there would be no players left eventually!

 

Should a player be reported for using language not fit for this universe let alone public speech regardless if there's a reason for this outburst. .... YES absolutely..... Fact is lines like " it's the Internet" and "you gonna cry?" Are absolutely no excuse to behave like a animal. The entire world if far to soft on this behaviour and is almost becoming aceptive to it as somehow it doesn't matter if it's in the Internet. This should not be acceptable anywhere by anyone decent and these people should be banned. If I hand a pound for every time Iv called someone out on it and all they do is PM the same crap at me for DAYS after the even id be rich indeed.

[Master_Spirit]

Some of us enjoy mature language. Instead of getting rid of swearing players so game looks like you want, if anything they should make two servers, one for "kids" and one 18+. The other thing is who decides that i'm not contributing to gameplay. Yesterday ive got dds calling me coward in my yamato for staying 3 squares back from front line, while theres was 3 enemy topr dds in front, not spotted for the whole game. And this guy in shima, who was staying back and ninja torp the whole game is calling me a noob and coward. Well, i've called him a idiot [edited], as english is not my first language and i find myself struggling for proper insults. Anyway i've heard that people who don't rage have increased risk of heart attack. Peace and love.

 

I totally agree with you, but im not talking about players like you, im talking about the ones that sail to the corner of the map and swear, or reporting to the enemy our ships positions, stuff like that..

for the issue you raised, maybe a solution of score, some algoritm that can judge player's contribution and gameplay and give him a score (much like xp in battle is decided) and then show this score to everybody to see, maybe that way before anyone can blame someone else, he can see what exactly this particular player did in game and in past games..just an idea, im sure something like that can be implemented.

[SerPurr]

The issue with most ideas to improve the reporting system is that it's very difficult to differ intentionally bad play from accidents. What could come across as someone trolling the team, might in fact be someone just having a really bad game where something unfortunate happened to that player making him look like a complete idiot. You also have to be very careful in taking the 'judge' seat. Getting totally frustrated by someone's abysmal performance (or repeated performance for that matter) does not automatically add up to others getting a say in whether or not that person should be allowed to play the game or not. Take action where it matters most. The only thing worse than a reporting system which doesn't work properly is a reporting system which works too good. 

[EsaTuunanen]

The issue with most ideas to improve the reporting system is that it's very difficult to differ intentionally bad play from accidents. What could come across as someone trolling the team, might in fact be someone just having a really bad game where something unfortunate happened to that player making him look like a complete idiot.

How about now ~4650 match player with average damage barely over 7k?

I mean sub 10k damage in Tier 6 BBs.

Same for cruisers attier 5/6...

Except for below 4k average damage in 160 Furutaka matches!

 

Or how about German cruiser line player with below miserable damage and survival.

I mean less damage than IJN DD would get by attacking cruiser with guns before cruiser would sink it!

When I unfortunately had him in team (top tier cruiser of the match) that ship seemed to only go straight forward from spawn and missing hitting all enemies no matter how close until getting sinked and survival rate says that wasn't exception.

(in some matches he must be colliding to islands blocking suicide run)

 

Sure even best players have bad and/or unlucky matches at worst getting detonated by first hit without damage done.

But that total team effort sabotaging play clearly shows in stats.

[kennydbt]

no point even when you send in a reply they never look at or do anything about it. report is waist of time.

[RamirezKurita]

For players misbehaving in chat (whether swearing, flaming or assisting the enemy team), we do need the chat report options to actually matter. Simply make it so that if a player receives more than a certain amount of chat reports in a certain amount of games then they receive a chat ban that prevents them from communicating in game. Further offences would result in steadily larger and larger bans until they get the message.

 

The only real way to fix the issues about players playing particularly poorly would be to actually include player skills into the matchmaker, that way the players that play really badly will either be spread out over both teams or will be in their own games composed of newbies and time wasters.

[Vulcaan]

see attached file and the words used in it.

 

Is it still fun to play this game ?

Maybe more players had problems with this one ?

 

[edited]

[Ferry_25]

Vulcaan: I'd advice you to black out the specific name of that player. Naming and blaming is not tolerated (no matter how right you are). It's an interesting discussion and I'd hate to see it closed by BBV.

 

IMO 99,9% of the matches have a benign flow. As I understand here it's 1 of the best of all internet games around. So for me the system works fine. I give more compliments that reports. Even to the "enemies." And yeah: sometimes people play very bad. But sometimes so do I... I make mistakes of which I think "Ferry, that was stupid beyond believe! What were you THINKING?!" But then I realise I'm a human being and so I think most of the players here online. It works better to give them positive feedback like: searching cover behind an island is a priori not bad. But beware of camping. Sooner or later they'll find you and blow you to the bottom. And when we're making a push, that's your cue to get from that island.

[BladeRy]

Yeah, god forbid that guy takes posting his text about gas chambers + people as name & shame, and he gets his feelings hurt. People like that should get permabanned, no ifs and buts, no 1-3 day chat ban, people like this are a cancer to the community.

 

On the side of reporting people with bad stats, you do realize that some people with disabilities play this game? I know of one such person myself, it isn't his fault mother nature/god/whoever gave him a weak body so his coordination and stuff isnt up to par. Kid likes boats and shooting, punishing him for that is unfair. Somebody will say let him play co-op games, like assholes and reporters aren't there also.

 

Problem is the matchmaker, why do people with low average dmg (win rate is a team effort anyway) do get paired with people that try to play a good game? Some go AFK, some hug the border from the start, its just so frustrating. The game should/could have tiers for players and not only ships. Bad players play with bad players, if their stats improve let him climb up the ranks.

[Ferry_25]

For the record: I'm not saying it's my opinion. Naming and blaming is against forumrules. Seen good topics being closed by it.

 

Edit: I did look up his profile. And I don't understand what he's complaining about. he has a winrate of which I can only dream of achieving before the next millenium and is doing well. The name rings a bell but I can't remember having trouble with him ever. Not to justify what that guy is saying in port but of course we don't know what has been said before to him... That's why I tempt to agree with the no naming/ blaming policy.

[Xevious_Red]

Personally I'd rather have it split so that people with the same attitudes play together - I'd much rather have a 48% team player who.just isn't very good than a 54% "omg u r all noob hope u die"

 

This way the people that just want to shoot some ships, try to cooperate and maybe have a bit of banter with the enemy when they get sunk can play together, while the people that have a pathological need to shout death threats at everyone and feel that because it's the Internet it's allowed can all spout drivel at each other while blaming everyone else

[Master_Spirit]

The main issue is not with players that are playing badly or just don't have yet the necessary skills or experience to do well in battle, that can be sorted as mentioned by quite a few folks here by simply employing a ranking system for players as well as ships, and match similar skills with each other. It does frustrate at times but that's not the more "urgent" matter in my opinion.

The issue to deal with as soon as possible is those players that are just there to disrupt, ruin, flame and annoy all the other players both from own and enemy team. Currently there is no way to get rid of people like that and they run rampant in game without any repercussions. A player swearing in chat and tells you to stfu when you or other players legitimate and nicely try to ask him to start pulling his weight in the team - are generally exactly those anti social people that are there to just satisfy their own wishes and no matter how they ruin the game for others.

Whether it is accepted or not, its arguable, but in my humble opinion in a multiplayer game, with teamplay means everything - there must be a way to stop them from playing - let them play with bots all day long and they can swear and ruin the game all they want, but for me, continuing playing this game, paying good money for it and then just get teamed with somewhat mentally unstable or sociopathic people, and not being able to stop them, does not make any sense..