Ahhh... it had to happen...

[Unintentional_submarine]

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/8163-Unintentional_submarine-New-Dawn

 

A DD spent the battle ramming me, I in turn spent a lot of time trying to avoid him or scraping him off on islands. Clearly he was trying to get me to turn pink either through the direct damage taken from ramming, or because I would get pissed off and actually shoot at him. I didn't do the latter (though one of my guns might have hit him when I tried to shoot at enemies). But in the end he did succeed in annoying the hell out of me. And I held my fire a few times, and my torpedoes were naturally useless.

I had hope midway into the game when he took a big shot from a BB (intended for me)... but the enemies were either too good at hitting me, or too bad.

 

I have of course submitted a ticket with the replay, but we all know how effective that action is. Though perhaps, since it isn't directly a TK issue, but about making others pink they will show some interest? Oh well...

 

So I wondered, have any of you guys run into crap like this? I mean, the new system, while I agree with it, certainly has the potential for this sort of abuse.

[Admiral_noodle]

I think if someone did that to me i would full stop and hide behind an island to see if he got bored.

[simonmd]

I think if someone did that to me i would full stop and hide behind an island to see if he got bored.

 

Thats a pretty good solution.

[SerPurr]

I have a dream. In this dream players who intentionally make the game a nightmare for others get everything they deserve. In this dream, filing a support ticket with a replay attached actually gets you a good answer. In this dream you get compensated for your losses and the offending player randomly blows up for the next 100 matches, gets all his controls inverted, can only listen to cow-sounds when firing and his torps auto target his own ship. It's a dream. It will never happen. I have only my deepest respect to share for the OP his stunning self-control. I would have blown the little s*** straight to Kingdome come and, in doing so, made his day no doubt.

 

[LilJumpa]

That annoying, but pretty harmless, sort of trolling happens maybe once every 500-1000 games ( numbers taken from WoT and my expirience there)

If you are vocal in chat at the beginning it maybe happens more often than that.

 

Having a desperate Teamkiller in your match has probably the same frequency.

Being accidentally torped by a teammate probably happens more often and Detonations are even more frequent.

 

 

Just shrug it off, report the dude and move on.

[Unintentional_submarine]

I think if someone did that to me i would full stop and hide behind an island to see if he got bored.

 

I considered doing that, but I felt that would just play even more into his interests. He would have screwed my game up entirely. And based off how he behaved otherwise, I doubt it would have done anything good. In fact it would probably have been even worse as he could just have sat back and watched as the damage ticked in. Meanwhile I would have done nothing in the game otherwise. I mean I did manage to top my team, not by a lot obviously, but I still contributed my fair share and then some. Rather that than two ships doing nothing (somehow he managed to not be last on our team... I was quite baffled).

[Aotearas]

Well, griefing is a bannable offense in every multiplayer game I've played so far. IF WG actually looks at support tickets of this sort, this guy should at the very least get a time-out. If he's a repeat offender, he ought to bet a permanent ban.

 

At least that's how it SHOULD work.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Well, griefing is a bannable offense in every multiplayer game I've played so far. IF WG actually looks at support tickets of this sort, this guy should at the very least get a time-out. If he's a repeat offender, he ought to bet a permanent ban.

 

At least that's how it SHOULD work.

 

Should... indeed. But we know how active they have been in regards to TKers, I would be just slightly naive to assume they would behave otherwise when the problem is someone actively trying to get you punished by the automated system.

As noted, this is very rare, first time for me (though it wasn't really feasible before), so it is potentially worth it for them to just ignore it. Which is sad I think.

[SBS]

I have had this happen as well. I just kept on playing not giving any reaction what so ever doing what ever I can to play as if he wasn't there.

 

I am assuming most people do it to get some sort of reaction, so I try to not give them one and ignore them as much as possible. No reason to give any more satisfaction.

 

[daki]

It happened once to me as well, also a destroyer trolled me.

It was annoying but he got bored after about 5 mins.

Good thing is that WoWs captains tend to be level-headed so this WoT crap of behavior will not take hold I hope.

[LilJumpa]

 

Should... indeed. But we know how active they have been in regards to TKers, I would be just slightly naive to assume they would behave otherwise when the problem is someone actively trying to get you punished by the automated system.

As noted, this is very rare, first time for me (though it wasn't really feasible before), so it is potentially worth it for them to just ignore it. Which is sad I think.

 

The imbecils that do that frequently don't care if they get banned for a week. If you ignore them in the specific game it hurts them so much more because they are doing that just to see you rage.

[Unintentional_submarine]

The problem is that a DD can now effectively make you pink if you just left him ram you due to the reduced threshold. Now pink itself isn't a problem as such (as I wouldn't do mor team damage later on, it is simply not what I do), but it gives the griefer a goal to aim for. I tried to ignore this guy initially, but he did impact my gameplay as he blocked my maneuvering and pushed my ship around, so I had to counteract his actions in at least a slight way. And the time he spent doing it while I didn't react it seemed to me that he was plenty content just ramming until pink for me. 

So after a time I began moving close to islands so he would run into them while I moved on. But of course he caught up to me soon after. Honestly it felt like I was an elephant scraping off a tick on a tree trunk.

[BrusilovX]

The other thing to keep in mind was that the team 'lost' one DD by this window lickers attempt at 'gameplay'.  A Minekaze is a decent DD as well.

 

They fired their torpedoes at least twice in an attempt to damage the cruiser and they did damage one of the turrets early on.

 

I thought for a while that they had bad lag and did not see the cruiser but after a while that clearly wasn't what was going on.

 

Hope this window licker gets a game ban but I doubt that will happen.

[Durin_VI]

Unintentional and not entirely on topic...you do get pink warnings for friendly fire in chat from WoW when your secondaries are firing at any enemy ship and one of your allies, usually the same DD trying to stick to your hull, is in between and gets hit...

[simonmd]

Should be bannable yes but in the real world, whos going to moderate this kind of thing? You think WG has the resources to monitor such a thing? Even if a reply is sent in, thats still 10-15 mins for each report that someone has to sit through and i'm afraid that this kind of moderation just isnt practical.

[Unintentional_submarine]

So I got an answer for my ticket.

 

 

We don't condone this kind of behaviour and we will be checking our logs and taking the appropriate actions.

Please understand that we can't give you any information about another player's account and a possible account suspension, but rest assured that we will take care of this case right away.

Regarding the status, as long as you don't intentionally do more damage to allies it should not affect your game. Additionally a small number of game with no team damage at all will see it removed ;).

Unfortunately, we can't remove the status manually as much as we'd like for this to be possible.

I hope that you don't have to go through this kind of situation again and wish you the best of luck in your future endeavours and on the battlefield.

 

It is about as good as I could hope.

Based on the wording it really does sound like they at least took the time to read my ticket, if not watch the replay. And it seems they understood the problem. Naturally, getting any update on their actions regarding another player is something their policy doesn't allow, so that wasn't a surprise. But if I take a hopeful stance, then it sounds a lot like they want to do something about it. How much or what that is, well that is anyone's guess (I don't hold much hope that he will be harshly punished, but something at least). To me it was important that they acknowledged the situation, and they did.

 

So in the end, I'm not exactly happy, but at least more satisfied. Which is a positive step up from the usual stories we hear about tickets made (automatic responses, totally misunderstand issues, failure to acknowledge problems, ignoring issues). Of course, I was very careful in how I worded my ticket, as I really didn't want it to get thrown out as some rant. Maybe that helped? I don't know.

[krautjaeger]

I remember in WoT long ago, two teammates tried to troll me in to killing them by blocking and whatnot. I just parked the tank, got up and made a sandwich. When I returned they were gone, pestering someone else.

[Capra76]

I have a dream. In this dream players who intentionally make the game a nightmare for others get everything they deserve. In this dream, filing a support ticket with a replay attached actually gets you a good answer. In this dream you get compensated for your losses and the offending player randomly blows up for the next 100 matches, gets all his controls inverted, can only listen to cow-sounds when firing and his torps auto target his own ship. It's a dream. It will never happen. I have only my deepest respect to share for the OP his stunning self-control. I would have blown the little s*** straight to Kingdome come and, in doing so, made his day no doubt.

 

 

You have some pretty weird dreams, not the cow sounds obviously, but a good answer to a support ticket?

[StringWitch]

I don't think they have introduced a system for penalising premature quitting out of battle in WoWS yet (like they have in WoT), so unless I'm wrong you could just do that.

[bug]

I remember in WoT long ago, two teammates tried to troll me in to killing them by blocking and whatnot. I just parked the tank, got up and made a sandwich. When I returned they were gone, pestering someone else.

 

Remember when WoT let players push others into water? That brought out the evil in some :/

[Procrastes]

This...

I think if someone did that to me i would full stop and hide behind an island to see if he got bored.

 

...and this...

I remember in WoT long ago, two teammates tried to troll me in to killing them by blocking and whatnot. I just parked the tank, got up and made a sandwich. When I returned they were gone, pestering someone else.

 

...is probably the best way to handle this sort of extraordinarily bad gameplay. Fortunately, this particular brand of troll seems to be comparatively rare.

[Kenliero]

I had situation where this pink guy hugged me so long that he died to his own team damage. I didn't turn pink in the process, but I lost half my hitpoints from his hugging... and because of that we lost that game... I could not carry in the final moments because lack of HP.

 

So.... once you are already pink, you don't turn "more pinky" by continuing the trend... you just die yourself in the process and successfully ruin the game for everyone, just like teamkiller planned...

 

Instead of current mechanism.... Wouldn't it be better idea to give "short  ban cooldown", instead of "damage to self". Like start from 30 minutes, next TK is 2 hour ban etc, 24 hours after that... then week... then month... then 6 months? Until you clear the team damage with clean games, and then it resets. Give player a good chance to reset it... so that you are not stuck "pinky mode"

 

[Mandyxx]

One week ago or something, a 60 hp player from my team rammed me. He died, i was marked in pink. After battle i open a ticket with record. After 10 minutes wg answer to me and removed team killer status.

[Procrastes]

Even a short and temporary ban is, I think, too harsh a penalty for the accidental teamkillers - which I believe make up the large majority of the pink group. It is so easy to turn pink now, there are quite often one or more pink names on the list of any battle - and yet I haven't so far noticed any particularly bad gameplay behaviour from any of those.

 

But for those comparatively few players who are true, deliberate teamkillers, a ban won't represent any kind of effective penalty. They'll just go and find another online game to ruin. Or they might simply register a new account and get right back to being noxious.

 

For basically the same reasons as given above, I believe that a system with longer ban times, or even permanent bans, would be extremely bad for the game. It would effectively ruin the game for those players who just make honest mistakes and have bad luck, and give the noxious ones that much more to laugh about.

[Procrastes]

One week ago or something, a 60 hp player from my team rammed me. He died, i was marked in pink. After battle i open a ticket with record. After 10 minutes wg answer to me and removed team killer status.

 

That is good! And good of you to tell us about it, too - too many of us only write about their complaints!