Match making problem

[Marcus_Aurelius]

After I have enjoyed this game since closed beta, I am getting tired of match making problems. I don`t have to explain the problem, everyone knows it.

I fear that this game despite all the fun it containes, will loose players fast if the match making doesn`t get fixed 

[SV_Kompresor]

They won't lose players if MM doesn't get fixed....if that was true Wot would've died a long time ago

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

MM is sick for long time , and yes mm don have balance at all , i get always - tiers in each game , but still play..

[Kurbain]

According to answers in Russian Q&A's an improved matchmaking system will be implemented in patch 0.5.7 or 0.5.8.

[Admiral_noodle]

Improvement is always good. However I can't say I've had too many matches lately wherever thought "we can't win this". There is always a strategy to beat the match up. Trouble is getting people to do it.

[Crow_Eschatologist]

Had a really rough one yesterday, 2 NCs and a Amagi vs our 4 Warspites. We got an Extra DD (a Fubuki) to compensate and an extra t8 Cruiser - a fair chunk of t6s on both teams. Predictably the t8 bbs wrecked everything in sight, their cruisers killed our DDs (our cruisers were too busy sinking from the t8 BBs) and they won with 3 caps and 1 ship down whilst capping the last and trying to kill the last few ships on our team on the final cap (We were all on fire and swimming in torpedo soup - not long for this world).

 

I don't think our guys played badly especially, but that sort of match-up is nearly impossible to win: the HP and firepower advantage is just too great (iirc they had ~+4 or 5 total tier advantage as well) - and it didn't need to be set up that way. The ships dropped in that match could have been better distributed between the teams, and I would contest that any game that matches 3+ ships of given class against 3+ ships of +2 tiers of the same class is creating an insurmountable tactical advantage.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

MM is as bad as ever, the only way to fix it is +1/-1 matches, the current +2/-2 is shambolic at times

[Elenortirion]

Had a really rough one yesterday, 2 NCs and a Amagi vs our 4 Warspites. We got an Extra DD (a Fubuki) to compensate and an extra t8 Cruiser - a fair chunk of t6s on both teams. Predictably the t8 bbs wrecked everything in sight, their cruisers killed our DDs (our cruisers were too busy sinking from the t8 BBs) and they won with 3 caps and 1 ship down whilst capping the last and trying to kill the last few ships on our team on the final cap (We were all on fire and swimming in torpedo soup - not long for this world).

 

I don't think our guys played badly especially, but that sort of match-up is nearly impossible to win: the HP and firepower advantage is just too great (iirc they had ~+4 or 5 total tier advantage as well) - and it didn't need to be set up that way. The ships dropped in that match could have been better distributed between the teams, and I would contest that any game that matches 3+ ships of given class against 3+ ships of +2 tiers of the same class is creating an insurmountable tactical advantage.

 

ironically enought whenever I get a match with one team having clear advantage in ship tiers, the side that was starting at disadvantage often winskinda sort of "the team with advantage thinks that game is won already so they don't really try and they do derpy things and they loose in effect"

[Crow_Eschatologist]

 

ironically enought whenever I get a match with one team having clear advantage in ship tiers, the side that was starting at disadvantage often winskinda sort of "the team with advantage thinks that game is won already so they don't really try and they do derpy things and they loose in effect"

 

Fun when it happens, but it happens less than getting curbstomped when the match is badly out of whack. And relying on the opposition to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory isn't something to count on . . .

[Nechrom]

WoT has much worse MM and it's still doing fine.

[T0byJug]

MM is as bad as ever, the only way to fix it is +1/-1 matches, the current +2/-2 is shambolic at times

 

Just No! MM has issues  and has big ones!!  having a Huge Discrepancy in ships of certain classes on opposing teams

Example 1x10DD 1x9DD against 3x10DD and a tier 8 DD on a domination match (game last night) or 3 tier 9 BB's against 3 tier 7 BB (i have seen this)

But +2/-2 MM is realy not an issue its a challenge and a lot easer challenge that the same tier spread in Tanks. Every Ship in game can do serious damage to any +2 tier ship it see's. 

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

Just No! MM has issues  and has big ones!!  having a Huge Discrepancy in ships of certain classes on opposing teams

Example 1x10DD 1x9DD against 3x10DD and a tier 8 DD on a domination match (game last night) or 3 tier 9 BB's against 3 tier 7 BB (i have seen this)

But +2/-2 MM is realy not an issue its a challenge and a lot easer challenge that the same tier spread in Tanks. Every Ship in game can do serious damage to any +2 tier ship it see's. 

 

Well you could well be right, but the current MM is shocking at times

[T0byJug]

 

Fun when it happens, but it happens less than getting curbstomped when the match is badly out of whack. And relying on the opposition to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory isn't something to count on . . .

 

Main issue with unbalanced match making happens in domination matches. There are things the underdog team can do to minimise the advantage the enemy team has in a normal match . But in domination you just don't get this option. you have to contest the caps. If you have half the DD's of the enemy team or they are all higher tier this is a big problem

[T0byJug]

 

Well you could well be right, but the current MM is shocking at times

 

for once Sparten i do agree with you. MM has issues and its effects are a lot worse in domination matches

[txtspeak]

the +-2 spread is completely fine, the team balance on the other hand is less so...

team of full 7-8s

enemy team had 2 aobas, a buddyony, a cleveland and a fuso.

did NOT go well for the second team...

[Crow_Eschatologist]

 

Main issue with unbalanced match making happens in domination matches. There are things the underdog team can do to minimise the advantage the enemy team has in a normal match . But in domination you just don't get this option. you have to contest the caps. If you have half the DD's of the enemy team or they are all higher tier this is a big problem

 

Quite - in a normal match I suspect we'd have stayed the hell away from superior BBs - but when they effectively push your cruisers from outside support range of your DDs on the caps (or citadel murder them all!) your DDs are left fighting their DDs + CAs . . .

[Zed_Von_Toza]

 

Yes MM is 'broken' but good teamwork will always win out in the end.

 

Lots moan about divisions creating unfair balance in matches. All a division boils down too is two or three players working together, that's teamwork. Imagine what could be achieved in battle if everyone in your team actually worked together. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon, particularly in the EU server where there is no common language.

 

[xenopathia]

I believe the good team players and not the tiers win the matches, however I think there are really MM issues.

 

Please check this weird mm from a game I had yesterday: 

 

We managed to win even though the opponents had so many highly ranked players.

Maybe that's because the mm takes the win rate into consideration.

 

[Kurbain]

WoT has much worse MM and it's still doing fine.

 

Which keeps surprising me. I have no idea why WoT is as popular as it is considering all the issues it has.

1. MM is even worse

2. It's a lot harder to have an influence on a battle as bottom-tier

3. Premium ammo

4. Arty has a one-dimensional playstyle and bothers players more than CVs do in WoWs

5. A lot more toxicity in chat

6. Average skill level and amount of teamwork is even lower

7. Less balance. Tanks like the Panzer II J, Waffenträger auf E100, O-I's, T-22 medium, old FV 215b (183), etc. make even the Nikolai look balanced.

8. Even more grinding.

 

Gives me a lot of hope for the future of WoWs if even a game like WoT can become popular. WoWs is definitely the more refined game overall. Just unfortunate that players are more interested in tanks than ships.

 

 

Please check this weird mm from a game I had yesterday: 

We managed to win even though the opponents had so many highly ranked players.

Maybe that's because the mm takes the win rate into consideration.

 

The enemy team in your screenshot only has one high-ranked player. The lower the rank the better. 1 is the best and 22 the worst.

Ranks don't mean much, though. The large amount of irrevocable ranks and bonus stars allow even average players to reach rank 1.

[Pajosaurus]

Okay, I've just had the misfortune to be a part of the most hideous MM I have EVER seen in 2,000 matches I've played (and that's not even counting TWO fail divisions on our team)

 

Map: Shatter, 3 cap domination mode

Our team: 1 destroyer

Enemy team: 6 destoryers

 

What on Earth is this?!?!?

 

[txtspeak]

 

Which keeps surprising me. I have no idea why WoT is as popular as it is considering all the issues it has.

1. MM is even worse

2. It's a lot harder to have an influence on a battle as bottom-tier

3. Premium ammo

4. Arty has a one-dimensional playstyle and bothers players more than CVs do in WoWs

5. A lot more toxicity in chat

6. Average skill level and amount of teamwork is even lower

7. Less balance. Tanks like the Panzer II J, Waffenträger auf E100, O-I's, T-22 medium, old FV 215b (183), etc. make even the Nikolai look balanced.

8. Even more grinding.

 

Gives me a lot of hope for the future of WoWs if even a game like WoT can become popular. WoWs is definitely the more refined game overall. Just unfortunate that players are more interested in tanks than ships.

 

 

 

The enemy team in your screenshot only has one high-ranked player. The lower the rank the better. 1 is the best and 22 the worst.

Ranks don't mean much, though. The large amount of irrevocable ranks and bonus stars allow even average players to reach rank 1.

waffentraeger E-100 has been removed lol.

[Nechrom]

Kurbain, on 01 June 2016 - 05:11 PM, said:

 

Which keeps surprising me. I have no idea why WoT is as popular as it is considering all the issues it has.
1. MM is even worse
2. It's a lot harder to have an influence on a battle as bottom-tier
3. Premium ammo
4. Arty has a one-dimensional playstyle and bothers players more than CVs do in WoWs
5. A lot more toxicity in chat
6. Average skill level and amount of teamwork is even lower
7. Less balance. Tanks like the Panzer II J, Waffenträger auf E100, O-I's, T-22 medium, old FV 215b (183), etc. make even the Nikolai look balanced.
8. Even more grinding.

Gives me a lot of hope for the future of WoWs if even a game like WoT can become popular. WoWs is definitely the more refined game overall. Just unfortunate that players are more interested in tanks than ships.

 

The enemy team in your screenshot only has one high-ranked player. The lower the rank the better. 1 is the best and 22 the worst.
Ranks don't mean much, though. The large amount of irrevocable ranks and bonus stars allow even average players to reach rank 1.

waffentraeger E-100 has been removed lol.

 

And the Panzer II J can be bundled up with the premium ammo issue since it's only good if you're willing to spend 100k credits each time you take it out. Otherwise it's worthless.

[Admiral_noodle]

Okay, I've just had the misfortune to be a part of the most hideous MM I have EVER seen in 2,000 matches I've played (and that's not even counting TWO fail divisions on our team)

 

Map: Shatter, 3 cap domination mode

Our team: 1 destroyer

Enemy team: 6 destoryers

 

What on Earth is this?!?!?

 

 

Well 1 in 2000 isn't bad. But yes. Some kind of DD balance rules are needed. You don't see 6v1 BB now do you? This is the main gripe I have with current MM. DDs should not be 2-1 ratio or worse. 

[Pajosaurus]

Well 1 in 2000 isn't bad. But yes. Some kind of DD balance rules are needed. You don't see 6v1 BB now do you? This is the main gripe I have with current MM. DDs should not be 2-1 ratio or worse. 

 

Especially in domination mode. It's next to impossible to win such a game.

[Dayfud]

I have been in a Tier 6 carrier and gone up against all tier 7 and 8 ships. The carriers on both teams were the only tier 6 ships in the battle. The tier 7 and 8 ships shoot down all my aircraft before they can drop bombs or torpedo's. One battle I only got one torpedo dropped before all my aircraft were destroyed. This kind of match up sucks.