t3 German cruiser worst ship in the game ?

[EfourE4]

Terrible range often put in with t5

 

I cant even get enough XP to get past the tier in a whole days play

 

Put on larger maps.... so slow no maneuvering... its horrible.  

[SV_Kompresor]

Lol it's one of the better ships in the game (it has ok maneuverability for its tier, it's basically a machinegun, ok range for its tier, slow like every other low tier ship)....wait till you get the karlsruhe, which I can't check if you have because you have decided to hide your awesome stats

[zFireWyvern]

Clearly you've never played the Mikasa

[EfourE4]

Lol it's one of the better ships in the game (it has ok maneuverability for its tier, it's basically a machinegun, ok range for its tier, slow like every other low tier ship)....wait till you get the karlsruhe, which I can't check if you have because you have decided to hide your awesome stats

 

awesome stats? its a t3 german account what kind of stats do you think you will see ? 40 games played ? 30 losses

[SV_Kompresor]

 

awesome stats? its a t3 german account what kind of stats do you think you will see ? 40 games played ? 30 losses

 

Then why do you hide them?....be proud of your achievements even if they're small....granted some players hide their stats before important matches (but that's rare in wows) but it's usually done by people who pretend to know everything and be the best when they're not (case not related)

 

but seriously...don't badmouth kolberg yet....wait till you get to karlsruhe....be sure to bring a gun in case of emergency

[ColonelPete]

The Kolberg is ok-ish. She is not as good on Tier III as the Dresden is on Tier II. As you stated the problem is Tier V games. She does not have the range and she does not have the toughness to close the range.

It woule be nice of WG improved her a bit.

[EfourE4]

Im not hiding anything if they are hidden by default then whatever.  At least  ColonelPete understands exactly what i mean.

 

I can absolutely destroy t1-3 games but it struggles very hard in the transition. 

[SV_Kompresor]

They're not hidden by default and believe it or not I do understand what you mean, but no, it's not the worst ship in the game...not even close.

But then again, which ship doesn't struggle against two tiers higher opponents

[Z_OnkelE]

I remember her to be on par with the tier 4 German cruiser regarding her poor performance

 

[Xerkics]

Having played all the tier 3s id probably go:

Bogatyr>St.Luis>Tenryu>Dresden>Hemelin>Kolberg. 

You are probably going to be more effective in hemelin.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

wrong must say t4 is worst , karl is just nightmare

[Vanhal]

Clearly you've never played the Mikasa

 

Mikasa is kinda work of art. Basically only tier 2 that can't sealclub...

[ulcusrodens]

 

Then why do you hide them?....be proud of your achievements even if they're small....granted some players hide their stats before important matches (but that's rare in wows) but it's usually done by people who pretend to know everything and be the best when they're not (case not related)

 

but seriously...don't badmouth kolberg yet....wait till you get to karlsruhe....be sure to bring a gun in case of emergency

 

and why exactly not taking part in some pointless virtual [edited]contest would be someting to criticize?

why exactly should the opinion of someone with - say 50% WR be less relevant than that of someone who statpads like crazy to 60% and above? because for the latter all ships are good and you simply must L2P and so on? (even if 90% of his battles are played on Clevelands and such...)

 

just to say, stick to topic. noone cares about stats.

[ulcusrodens]

Terrible range often put in with t5

 

I cant even get enough XP to get past the tier in a whole days play

 

Put on larger maps.... so slow no maneuvering... its horrible.  

 

the real problem about the kolberg is that it is basically another Dresden, just put in nastier games. it's one of those ships so badly balanced it hurts.

T3 goes in a breeze, anyway, just spam HE from behind islands, and you'll finally get to a VERY bad ship as a reward.

at least the Kolberg looks cool.

[VC381]

Am I the only person who had a blast in all the German low tier cruisers? If I remember correctly the Kolberg is a fun little machine gun that turns on a dime, not much to it maybe you've just had really bad luck with MM.

[cro_pwr]

lets make it simple.

tier 3-4 ships are (mostly) bad, and when put into t5 MM there is not much you can do.

but, its a good position to learn the basics of the game...

learn how to aim, learn what ammo to use at certain times, learn not to show your broadside to the enemy, and slowly grind to t5. t5 is usually when the things are a bit more balanced, ships are usually getting only somewhat better with higher tier, and you can take on t6 ship with t5. (there is no such difference as you have 12km range and your enemy has 16km range, thats what i ment)

 

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

Kohlberg is pretty decent. I don't know how can people complain about crapwith that RoF, with that accuracy, with decent armour and nice speed. Sure, it's not Bogatyr, which obviously was the best cruiser of all times, but it's ok. The only thing that is pretty bad in Kohlberg is the range and the arc on long range shots. The worst ship in the game would be Chester as far as cruisers go, with New Orleans following closely.

 tier 3-4 ships are (mostly) bad, and when put into t5 MM there is not much you can do.

Kuma, Phoenix, Wyoming, Isokaze, Bogatyr, St. Louis, Tenryu, Clemson, Svietlana - I think that they are mostly very very good vessels. The players at that tiers are just bad in 90% since they are mostly learning their stuff. 

[ulcusrodens]

Kohlberg is pretty decent. I don't know how can people complain about crapwith that RoF, with that accuracy, with decent armour and nice speed. Sure, it's not Bogatyr, which obviously was the best cruiser of all times, but it's ok. The only thing that is pretty bad in Kohlberg is the range and the arc on long range shots. The worst ship in the game would be Chester as far as cruisers go, with New Orleans following closely.

Kuma, Phoenix, Wyoming, Isokaze, Bogatyr, St. Louis, Tenryu, Clemson, Svietlana - I think that they are mostly very very good vessels. The players at that tiers are just bad in 90% since they are mostly learning their stuff. 

 

kolberg is not decent. it's a tier 2 ship put straight in the upper tier. it can be effective against noobs in tier 3 battles, but that doesn't make it decent.

phoenix is just almost decent. karlsruhe is awful.

exceptions made, the rest of tier 3 and 4 is great.

[cro_pwr]

Kohlberg is pretty decent. I don't know how can people complain about crapwith that RoF, with that accuracy, with decent armour and nice speed. Sure, it's not Bogatyr, which obviously was the best cruiser of all times, but it's ok. The only thing that is pretty bad in Kohlberg is the range and the arc on long range shots. The worst ship in the game would be Chester as far as cruisers go, with New Orleans following closely.

Kuma, Phoenix, Wyoming, Isokaze, Bogatyr, St. Louis, Tenryu, Clemson, Svietlana - I think that they are mostly very very good vessels. The players at that tiers are just bad in 90% since they are mostly learning their stuff. 

 

strange, but I enjoyed NO more then Baltimore ^^

and about this t3-4 thing, my point is they are bad (underperforming) when you get yourself in +2t MM. aka when you are placed as t3-4 ship in a t5-6 game, you will not have such a good time...

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

Phoenix is not decent. It's straight batshit OP. It's the best tier IV ship with BFT and AFT nerf. Kuma was the best before, but now? Phoenix all the way. 

 

Kohlberg is decent. It's nothing great, nothing really special, but it's certainly not the worst ship in the game. Reload is very good, which provides you reliable fire chance. AP are weak, but can do decent damage when hitting superstructures - just be sure to use HE and set 2 fires before you switch to AP. You got good mobility, low profile, decent armour. I prefer Kohlberg much more then slow, sluggish and huge St. Louis.

strange, but I enjoyed NO more then Baltimore ^^

and about this t3-4 thing, my point is they are bad (underperforming) when you get yourself in +2t MM. aka when you are placed as t3-4 ship in a t5-6 game, you will not have such a good time...

Well, Baltimore has repair party ability, and range upgrade. My Baltimore stats don't reflect that, since I grinded her in the worst meta available at the beginning of OBT. Any1 remembers the bugged Iowa armour? Fun times.

Well, Phoenix vs Nurnberg - it's pretty bad. However, Pensacola vs Roon? Or Kuma vs New Mexico and Mogami vs Montana? In both cases you are at big disadvantage, but it's doable.  

 

[zFireWyvern]

Mikasa is kinda work of art. Basically only tier 2 that can't sealclub...

It's something alright

[cro_pwr]

Phoenix is not decent. It's straight batshit OP. It's the best tier IV ship with BFT and AFT nerf. Kuma was the best before, but now? Phoenix all the way. 

 

Kohlberg is decent. It's nothing great, nothing really special, but it's certainly not the worst ship in the game. Reload is very good, which provides you reliable fire chance. AP are weak, but can do decent damage when hitting superstructures - just be sure to use HE and set 2 fires before you switch to AP. You got good mobility, low profile, decent armour. I prefer Kohlberg much more then slow, sluggish and huge St. Louis.

Well, Baltimore has repair party ability, and range upgrade. My Baltimore stats don't reflect that, since I grinded her in the worst meta available at the beginning of OBT. Any1 remembers the bugged Iowa armour? Fun times.

Well, Phoenix vs Nurnberg - it's pretty bad. However, Pensacola vs Roon? Or Kuma vs New Mexico and Mogami vs Montana? In both cases you are at big disadvantage, but it's doable.  

 

 

keep in mind we are talking about a guy that just started to play the game and got to t3 only

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

My point is: with two tier disadvantage, every ship would be considered bad, new player or not, low tier or high tier. Tier III and IV are no exceptions. Kawachi vs Kongo or Texas would also end with Kawachi sinking pretty fast, not to mention the fact it might not fire a single salvoe due to low range. 

[cro_pwr]

My point is: with two tier disadvantage, every ship would be considered bad, new player or not, low tier or high tier. Tier III and IV are no exceptions. Kawachi vs Kongo or Texas would also end with Kawachi sinking pretty fast, not to mention the fact it might not fire a single salvoe due to low range. 

 

and thats exactly what i said in my first post

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

not exactly. What you wrote is:

 tier 3-4 ships are (mostly) bad, and when put into t5 MM there is not much you can do.

first sentence claims tier III and IV are mostly bad, then comes "and", which implies that not also they are bad, but you are worthless in +2 MM. 

I strongly disagree with first part, I somewhat agree with second, with few ships that can do fairly well at +2 tiers (Myoko, Hipper, Amagi, Benson).

 

Did we clarify what you meant?