So in what sadistic universe is this "a fair match making" ? (4 vs 0 VI ships*, 1 vs 3 VIII bb _and_ 1 vs 3 dd on a domination map)

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

* not counting the mirrored cv

 

Are you effing kidding me ??????? Eff it, this bull is so bad, the bloody fail division doesn't even matter. Isn't stupid week end with all the casuals not bad enough ??? Do we have to deal with incompetent mm on top after almost one year ??

 

This blood bath was over in 8m20s.

 

Edit: blood path :p

[Snaggletooth1808]

Just had the most [edited] up game iv been in! 2 battleships a side they had 2 Colorado's and we get a New Mexico and a New York. I got hit twice both by Colorado's in my Aoba and that was the end of me. It's really good fun being blown to high [edited]heaven within 3 minutes of the match! It's total and [edited] right now and it's happened all night. Going up against battleships that are 2 tiers above you in your battleship is hard enough but if your in a cruiser and your battleships run away because they are going to die very quickly gets real old fast. 

It seems like this questioner didn't do a lot!

[EsaTuunanen]

How about this:

Enemy gets [edited] Tier V BB division and at least three fully upgraded BBs. My team gets garbage division and über garbage division.

[Mayv]

Divisions.

This breaks the match maker.

[1000guns]

Divisions.

This breaks the match maker.

 

So?

How about they fix it? It's been all out of sync since the patch again. I'm tired of being uptiered about 70% of my games lately, it ruins the fun (and that's the important thing in a game!). There's only so much you can do when you are facing ships 2T+

[Fiery_Kathy]

 

So?

How about they fix it? It's been all out of sync since the patch again. I'm tired of being uptiered about 70% of my games lately, it ruins the fun (and that's the important thing in a game!). There's only so much you can do when you are facing ships 2T+

I've noticed a ridiculous ammount of crap MM after the update as well.

I wouldnt mind waiting (a lot) longer to get fair games. At least I still have fun than.

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

How about this:

Enemy gets [edited] Tier V BB division and at least three fully upgraded BBs. My team gets garbage division and über garbage division.

 

Well, your B division really did a number on you. Chikuma and SoCa would have never been in a V battle if the Wyoming hadn't dragged them into one.

[DarthDon49]

I had a match recently where there were two well constructed divisions - they were both on the red team! 

How is that for good MM?

 

I want the option to select that MM does not put me in any match that has divisions.

[WarburtonLee]

I, for one, have never understood the problem. People whining about MM in almost every game im in. I dont get it, its not ships who wins / looses battles, its players. The better team wins, regardless of tiers, simple as that (usually the team with players knowing how to press "W" at the beginning of battles). Nothing is funnier for me than wrecking higher tiered ships. The only thing i might find a little annoying is when enemy team gets several DDs, and my team has 0. That happens very rarely though and is just another challenge to overcome

[Sake78]

There`s one thing as a challenge and another to be tied to a pole, blindfolded, and told that it is challenging to dodge the 12 bullets coming your way

 

No point in saying that bad MM is a challenge and not just bad MM, simply because it can`t balance divisions to save its life, or the philosophy behind said balance is bad. Or the whole idea of balancing 6 DDs to 3.

[JapLance]

I, for one, have never understood the problem. People whining about MM in almost every game im in. I dont get it, its not ships who wins / looses battles, its players. The better team wins, regardless of tiers, simple as that (usually the team with players knowing how to press "W" at the beginning of battles). Nothing is funnier for me than wrecking higher tiered ships. The only thing i might find a little annoying is when enemy team gets several DDs, and my team has 0. That happens very rarely though and is just another challenge to overcome

 

Guess you could defeat Yamatos in your Erie... but most players can't, and don't like the people that tries. because it realistically breaks their chances in the battle.

[Helgey]

Its a bit anoying to see a team list that look like this : own team 1x t6 BB 2 x t5BB 1 x t 4 BB, 2 x t6 CA 1 x t5 CA 3 x t4 CA 1 x t5 DD and 1 x t5 CV against  3 x t6BB and 1 x t5 BB, 1 x t6 CA 2 x t5 CA 2 x t4 CA 2 x t5 DD and 1 x t5 CV.  To say that the end was a slaughter is to put it mildly. and ofc the t6 BB's on enemy team was a division and same with the t5 DD's.  so there you have 3 t6 BB's targeting same target none of our vessels could stand againt that amount of steel and explosives flying in the air. There should be a way to even the odds and let skill not the MM decide on who is winning.

I was so unlucky that i had a t4 cruiser doing he spamming on the DD's and he/ap on cruisers while dodging return from vessels 2 tiers higher , lets just say that the outcome on this match will not go into the books as a major victory for my team.  

[EsaTuunanen]

Well, your B division really did a number on you. Chikuma and SoCa would have never been in a V battle if the Wyoming hadn't dragged them into one.

Even if that had been full Tier 4 divisions it would have been badly lopsided with that über garbage cruiser division.

All cruisers should have been basically tier 5 for that match to be balanced with those fully upgraded Tier 5 BBs of enemy.

[WarburtonLee]

 

Guess you could defeat Yamatos in your Erie... but most players can't, and don't like the people that tries. because it realistically breaks their chances in the battle.

 

Thats a stupid comparison. This game puts you vs ships +-2 tiers. Every T6 can beat any T8, any T8 can beat any T10. The better player wins that duel. If i get matched against T6 ships ,in my kutuzov for example, im just as likely to die as in T10, probably even more since T10 ships tend to bow-on reverse like idiots, wich my HE shells quite like. I can have awesome games in T10 like picture below, and awful ones in T6, and im never blaming MM for it, never.

 

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[KHETTIFER]

Mixing lone wolves with grouped players doesn't work, it creates huge imbalances and is exploitable.

Grouping either is removed or given its own queue, quick random battle should be solo only.

 

[Cosseria]

 

Thats a stupid comparison. This game puts you vs ships +-2 tiers. Every T6 can beat any T8, any T8 can beat any T10. The better player wins that duel. If i get matched against T6 ships ,in my kutuzov for example, im just as likely to die as in T10, probably even more since T10 ships tend to bow-on reverse like idiots, wich my HE shells quite like. I can have awesome games in T10 like picture below, and awful ones in T6, and im never blaming MM for it, never.

 

You're not accounting for the moral effect of a seemingly poor MM. There's a sizeable percentage of players that will feel screwed by the MM and won't push, hiding away from the battle and prompting a fine steamrolling by the "superior" team.

However good luck in trying to kill a Khabarovsk with a Benson or, better yet, a Fubuki.

[WarburtonLee]

You're not accounting for the moral effect of a seemingly poor MM. There's a sizeable percentage of players that will feel screwed by the MM and won't push, hiding away from the battle and prompting a fine steamrolling by the "superior" team.

However good luck in trying to kill a Khabarovsk with a Benson or, better yet, a Fubuki.

 

Well, just to adress that little example of yours. Khabarovsk is a gunboat, Fubuki a torpedo boat. You are at a disadvantage becouse of that, not becouse of T8 vs T10. Try torp him like he is a cruiser? Ambush him? Smoke up and spam at him? Anyways, put a idiot in the Khaba vs a unicum in a Fubuki, and we both know who will win that one

And i have not gotten higher into RU DDs than Kiev (nice ship), and one thing ive already learned is that american DDs you want to keep at a distance. If there is a close quarter duel, he got to use his guns as effectively as i, and the better player therefore wins. So if i was to attack one in Bensson, get close, and aim / move around better than him. Use small Islands etc, as he cant turn at all compared to you.

[Dampfboot]

If you think this is extreme, how about that one? Or this one? Or the other one?

 

 

[Lepr0n]

Rough ride facing 3 yammis with the izumos. but the MM looks ok apart form the divisions.

[EdiJo]

 

Thats a stupid comparison. This game puts you vs ships +-2 tiers. Every T6 can beat any T8, any T8 can beat any T10. The better player wins that duel. If i get matched against T6 ships ,in my kutuzov for example, im just as likely to die as in T10, probably even more since T10 ships tend to bow-on reverse like idiots, wich my HE shells quite like. I can have awesome games in T10 like picture below, and awful ones in T6, and im never blaming MM for it, never.

 

 

What you just said is simply ridiculous. Let's put me in Iowa, and you in Colorado - and try 10 duels. Guess what the outcome will be (regardless of your skill, and I'm maybe just slightly better than average). If map permits you won't even hit me once.

Put me in Lexington (even without much exp in CV T6+), and you in Ryujo. Fuso vs Myogi. Nagato vs NY. Myoko vs Furutaka. Omaha vs StLouis. 

Unless some weird luck or surprising situation on the map, the weaker ship has NO chance. 

 

You just put some irrelevant examples of DD (where for sure tier means less) or one of the most OP ships in the game (Kutuzov), and is this going to prove something?

 

Of course if MM "matches" T6 BB's vs T4 it is going to affect the whole game, not only for battleships. Domination game where one team has more and/or better DD is skewed to that side from the start.

 

The goal should be to construct COMPETITIVE teams, EQUAL strength of ships, which means EQUAL number of EQUALLY strong ships of SAME classes in both teams.

Otherwise it is just random team with random chances, and player skill is not rewarded (because good player can be put in a hopeless ship).

[Aerroon]

Divisions.

This breaks the match maker.

Particularly divisions with carriers in them.

 

Perhaps just disallow CVs in divisions? I'd be cool with that - maybe there would be even more CV players at T10 because they would know that they don't need a division to even have a chance at winning (just check out solo winrates for CVs on warships.today).

 

I just had this match:

 

Why even play this? If I wouldn't get a  penalty for leaving I'd leave immediately. There is 0 chance for victory unless the enemy team DCs. What's the point of forcing me to play this crap out?

Could you maybe just create a battle type where we don't have to play vs people who division all the time? I would play the game much much more if that were possible.

[simonmd]

Well I just had a game where we had one DD and they had FOUR. Needless to say, they managed to cap 2 out of three caps right away (I caped ours in a cruiser..  ) and before long, they had all three caps. Our team fought well I have to say, at the end it was 5v5 ships but we couldnt get near the caps so lost on points, how fair is that? 

[159Hunter]

Yes, imbalanced MM happens to everyone. Sometimes you get unlucky, other times it'll favour you. In the end, it'll all balance out.

Needless to say WG should try to fix it ( mostly divisions messing it up ), but people: you get lucky as well, don't see any of us posting about how lucky MM was for us today and messed up the enemy team?

[simonmd]

Thats all well and good and youre right to a certain extent, however, its a very simple calculation to have an even number of each type of ships in a team. 3v2 DDs, fine, 1v2, sure, 5v4 even no probs but 4 v 1?? They managed to balance the CVs this way, why not the same with the rest? It should have been 2v3 at least.

[Poster_2015]

Frankly there are very often MM that feel "f-ed up", but I started to take some notes of it. Surprisingly I have *higher* win ratio when I feel MM is against me (more higher tiers etc) then against worse or equal enemies. This makes me think that 

 

a) MM is actually taking *skill* of the players into account and compensates for it with tiers.

b) MM is a lot better then it FEELS. It produces matches that are actually pretty balanced, but players dont feel that way (including me). That of course has the "self reinforcing" effect on players. When you win its because you (and sometimes your team) are great players, when you lose its because "MM sucks". At no point you feel MM was doing fine. 

 

Still there are things that should be tweaked imo.

 

- The ship types are more important then tiers. As much as skill can overcome many deficiencies, going 0-5 in DDs on domination which did happen to me is just a bad idea. 

- It should try to force more varied teams when it comes to nations. I understand that trying to match skill of players can sometimes prevent it, but 3 Yamatos vs 3 Montanas seem too often unnecessary

- Divisions with much lower tier ships should be just turned off. I personally dont mind it. When we get a chikuma in tx battle we usually win, because MM even overcompensates for him. But its just not worth the bad feelings among players.