0.5.6 and carrier state

[lankylad11_lankylad]

you rarely see CVs any more, because they just keep being nerfed into the floor, can WG not see this and get a feel for what experienced CV players want in order to start sailing CVs again ?  I dont expect 12 kills every game in a CV, just that when an enemy BB decides to wander off alone, I expect to be able to punish him without paying a significant price for doing so, and with this patch, you cannot do that any more

[deadly_if_swallowed]

I didn't play CVs that much lately since I enjoy the monstrous AA suite on my North Carolina too much. I faced a lot of CVs though, I think even more than before the AA buff - roughly every second match, many of them with 2 CVs per side. Surprisingly those are mostly Hiryu whose planes do not stand a chance at all, but they still try to snipe T8 AA fortresses.

But you are right; USN CVs are dead on high tier. Sometimes a wild Midway appears but that's about it. And my recently bought Essex is not yet competitive enough for proper PvP.

[Reyte]

I found CV largely too be okay, only american bb and tirpitz ve a little bit too strong AA for their tiers (NC wtf?!)

 

Even Midway is still viable, since it has 2 good loadouts.

[lankylad11_lankylad]

I found CV largely too be okay, only american bb and tirpitz ve a little bit too strong AA for their tiers (NC wtf?!)

 

Even Midway is still viable, since it has 2 good loadouts.

 

the stock is ok, but a 4/2/2 Hak causes it problems it cant do much about and the strike is far too RNG and as soon as there is a Hak on the field you have had it.  Midway was brilliant with the 1/2/2 loadout, the 1/1/3 really doesn't cut it without AP bombs.  Midway had its potential damage potential massively reduced by this change and you have seen its stats plummet.  I will try Shokaku again.  I tend to focus heavily on one ship, move it on a tier,  then pick another, playing my tier 10's sometimes.  I sailed Midway a couple of times since 0.5.6 and it did not go well.  one of my own Benson's decided to torp me from 3km in my first round   just cos i wasnt doing quite what he wanted.  I will try shokaku again and i really hope it is viable

[Cadelanne]

Lost 8 Shokaku T8 TB to a single Amagi before droping a single torp. Tbh I wonder if there's no hack or something. If there's not please just tell me wtf is that nonsense ?

[NoirLotus]

T4 skill : Manual control of AA guns.

 

With the number of 127 mm guns of Amagi, the DPS on long range AA is deadly to almost any plane.

[Grovflab]

My Amagi, which I played back in february, was evil when it came to pulling down planes. This was before the AA revamp and before we had the T4: manual control of AA. I only had the tier 1 and 4 firing training skills, mainly because my Nagato was specced for close quarter fighting, and I didn't respec when I got the Amagi.

 

My point is, Amagi has always had very good AA, although recent changes might have made it even better.

 

[Ictogan]

well US CVs are now dead.  They need AP bombs desperately to remain competitive, but even so, I attacked a montana one on one in my Midway and lost four torpedo bombers on the way in and two on the way out, there is no way on planet earth that should be happening, and it didn't before, then you get hammered by the stupid servicing time of losing all planes in a squad.  I also found that in general i was losing a lot more planes in Midway after update than i did before.  There was a time when Midway was my favourite ship in the game by some considerable distance , and BB AA didn't affect it at all.  the enemy CV was usually another Midway so you could do proper damage.  Now, they have destroyed its strike loadout, stock is very meh given what Hakuryu can offer and AS is stupid because it doesnt have any TBs.  for me to sail USS Midway again there will need to be some fundamental changes to AA on the top three US BBs, the way dive bombers operate and the loadouts of either IJN or USN CVs.  I dont get this CV nerf in EVERY patch, since not many people got to high tier CVs anyway.  i mean if there were two Midways in every battle, then fair enough but there weren't.  US CVs should return to the state they were in at the start of open beta, as should battleship AA.

 

I think AP bombs are a stupid idea to add to CVs. Against TBs you can dodge, but dodging bombs it's pretty much impossible. Receiving an AP dive bombing run would be the equivalent to receiving a full salvo from a BB while showing broadside, but you couldn't do anything to hide said broadside other than hugging AA cruisers.

 

I think a better way of fixing USN CVs would be giving ranger and lex a 1-1-2 setup and giving essex and midway 1-2-2.

[cro_pwr]

 

I think AP bombs are a stupid idea to add to CVs. Against TBs you can dodge, but dodging bombs it's pretty much impossible. Receiving an AP dive bombing run would be the equivalent to receiving a full salvo from a BB while showing broadside, but you couldn't do anything to hide said broadside other than hugging AA cruisers.

 

I think a better way of fixing USN CVs would be giving ranger and lex a 1-1-2 setup and giving essex and midway 1-2-2.

 

well you can position yourself broadside to minimize the chance for bombs to hit you, but yea, in a BB its hard not to get hit by at least 1 of them

[Cadelanne]

Yeah AP bombs can't be balanced.

 

Either they deal evil amount of damage that you can't avoid with anything else than shooting planes down, or they're weak AF and don't deal any relevant damage.

 

The main issue with AP bombers (and bombers in general) is the same than with AA : there's no counterplay. It's easy to make a good bomb run on a BB without him being able to dodge anything. If WG want to add AP bombs they need to rework bombers mechanics in order to :

 

a) make it less RNG dependent

b) allow BB players to have ways to dodge incoming bombs / bombers

[lankylad11_lankylad]

 

I think AP bombs are a stupid idea to add to CVs. Against TBs you can dodge, but dodging bombs it's pretty much impossible. Receiving an AP dive bombing run would be the equivalent to receiving a full salvo from a BB while showing broadside, but you couldn't do anything to hide said broadside other than hugging AA cruisers.

 

I think a better way of fixing USN CVs would be giving ranger and lex a 1-1-2 setup and giving essex and midway 1-2-2.

 

i'll have 1-2-2 back in a heartbeat but i dont think its likely by any stretch of the imagination.  I think it needs it because its an easier change than getting US CVs to win the air war against any Hak loadout while still carrying torpedo bombers.  I was asking for a DB to have the potential to do  say 15k dmg in a visit in pure alpha damage for a midway squad regularly, that way it can again do proper damage, no more than that