0.5.6 and carrier state

[cro_pwr]

So whats your experience with CVs after the patch?

mine is highly mixed, I'm playing ranger atm, and even 2 bbs standing together now will melt most of your planes before you even drop something...

[Anjin_sama]

Nice stats on the ranger - might I ask what deck you use, slot 1 and 2 upgrade and captain skills.

 

Would love to watch some of your replays if you are willing to share 

 

Edit: deck seems to be strike by the average dmg dealt, amirite?

[Gifxt300]

I am seriously struggling with my Independence. Since the patch it seems like any ship I come across which is equal or higher tier than me just seems to completely obliterate my aircraft. I feel like I have to wait and play recon until I get lucky and someone separates themselves. Until then, I feel like a dead weight on the team and I would be better off in a battleship or something. It is just me being an idiot or did this AA buff really hurt CV game play?

 

[cro_pwr]

Nice stats on the ranger - might I ask what deck you use, slot 1 and 2 upgrade and captain skills.

 

Would love to watch some of your replays if you are willing to share 

 

Edit: deck seems to be strike by the average dmg dealt, amirite?

 

have all 3 decks unlocked, started with stock (played independence stock all the way), trolled a bit with AA setup, then lately I'm playing only strike... high risk, high reward gameplay...

damage really varies depending on your target choice (sometimes you just HAVE to target enemy DDs to help your team, and that ruins your average dmg, but well, helps you win )

 

I'm using Air groups modification 1, and Flight control mod 1

cpt skills: expert rear gunner, torpedo armament expertise, torpedo acceleration (this skill helps me a lot when trying to snipe something with torp drops), aircraft servicing expert. don't have 5th skill yet, but I would obviously put it into air supremacy.

 

and I've uploaded 2 games 2 days ago, the rest are older.

 

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/7576

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/7550

 

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/3558

 

 

 

edit: just played a game that showed quite nicely the game where I didn't go for mass dmg, but for playing the objectives, hunting dds etc. so there you go

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/7707-cro_pwr-Ranger-Trident

[jonasnee]

1 of my first games i killed like 6 ships, so so far so good.

 

on the other hand the base repair cost has gone up a lot, from around 100k to around 160k and it seems even harder to earn money. (this is tier 10 ofc)

[Cadelanne]

As I was just getting used to the CV and starting doing good with it, come the nerf hammer  hydraulic press to wreck it all. Never had such a frustrating session for a long time. I've been playing a few game, get 2 of those weird 6v6 and some regular games, but for some reason I only had T8 / T9 games. Iowas everywhere. I mostly get wrecked even if I managed to shine in one of those games. Maybe if I play later I'll try a few more games with a more fair matchmaking.

 

I don't really understand why they're nerfing CVs patch after patch, when it was already impossible to attack an organized fleet before that. You already had no chance to deal damage to a 1 BB 2 cruiser formation if cruisers were a bit reactive on their barrage ability, so ye I don't understand. Furthermore I heard here and there that it's just the begining so ... should I sell my CVs right now ?

[celeb2k]

cro_pwr, on 26 May 2016 - 10:11 PM, said:

So whats your experience with CVs after the patch?
mine is highly mixed, I'm playing ranger atm, and even 2 bbs standing together now will melt most of your planes before you even drop something..

 

 

well I'd like to write something after this quote, but if I accidentally delete new line, there's nothing I can do to get behind this DIV on white text field.  Any advice?

[celeb2k]

Nerfing CVs???

WTF,  2 Yamatos with 2 fighters, AA focused (almost all skills and modules) and tier9 Essex having no problem to come and drop the bombs.... 

Than later in game when no cruisers were alive,  Essex came with 2 DB squadrons (had prem fighter above),  gave me 16k dmg and 2 fires,  I waited a bit, used repair kit and then last squadrons came at me alone, lost just one plane and bombed me for 10K and again 2 fires (luckily repair was still active for the last seconds).

Once again, this is TOP tier BB vs tier9 CV, in both cases had fighters and AA modules/captain skills.   And in both cases there were no fighters protection,  sometimes(mostly?) even 1 squadron alone!

Had similar moments with Montana in 0.5.5 - Midway sending DB squadrons one by one, no protection, fighters to split AA defence ... why!   And taking 10-16k dmg (+fires) from each squadrons ... 

This is insane.   CVs were never such strong, at least tiers 9/10.

My general AA protection is much better on lover tiers than before,  I feel quite safe on tiers 6-7-8.   But last 2 tiers are way too unbalanced.

[Cadelanne]

Why is it such an issue to take 10-16k / squadrons ? I mean, with one well aimed salvo a brawling BB is dealing twice this amount of damage to an other BB. And a BB guns don't have a 3m reload time like Essex bombers. When did 10 - 16k damage became insane for a BB that has almost 100k HPs and 4 repairs ?

 

How many time have you one shoted a cruiser with your BB guns ? What should we say when you're sinking a 40k HP ship with 1 salvo, if 30% of your hull HP every 3 minutes (when you play baddly and isolate yourself from the fleet) is already insane ?

 

Well, the answer is that this amount of damage isn't insane. You're a BB. You have a huge HP pool and a healing ability. I won't teach you anything that you don't already know but you're in a warship battle. It's normal for your ship to take some damages, and sometime to be sunk. I don't understand why you don't accept it if it's a CV that sink you, but that it's OK that a Zao stealth-burn you to death or that an other BB remove half of your HPs with a good 4 citadels salvo.

[cro_pwr]

agreed with what Cadelanne said, and on the other hand, you need to understand that carriers should be counter to BBs, and they should be able to strike BBs.

a lonely battleship SHOULD NOT be able to easily protect himself from carrier strike, and at this point of game, high tier battleships are quite comfortable doing that.

now if you can melt half of my planes with a battleship before they even drop their load, what do you think will happen if there are even 2-3 ships around?
0 dmg, 0 planes alive, and carriers are simply unplayable...

if I have to wait for 15 minutes so all cruisers are dead, and there is one lonely BB somewhere on the  map, just to do the insane 15k dmg to yamato, then I won't even bother with playing CVs anymore...

[celeb2k]

insane DMG with just one DB squadron!   Essex can have 3 squadrons of DB + 1 TB + fighters.  It's just like if you compare dmg from one turret of Zao.

Fact that CV's are just OP as f...  is well documented by stats.  From top 5 dmg dealers are 4 CVs!!!  just Yamato was able to get in between them on 3rd place.

Papedipupi is far the best player of WoWs with insane WR,  avg (amd Max too) DMG and XP!   And he plays CVs for more than 99%.

These are facts and not just some feelings that my CV could be event better coz I think it would be awesome.

 

[Kais_S012]

I have to question that on earth is going on when a lone Fuso took out 4 out of 6 Skyraiders from my Saipan before they even got their torps in the water

 

[T_H_0_R]

I have to question that on earth is going on when a lone Fuso took out 4 out of 6 Skyraiders from my Saipan before they even got their torps in the water

 

WG's "balance"... In all seriousness, probably a full AA build with AFT and manual AA perk on 4th row. I hope...

[celeb2k]

impossible.  I suppose there have to been some nearby ship with strong AA aura.   Manual AA can handle just one squadron, so with luck it could kill 2 of 3 TB (if you've stayed too long in AA aura trying to fix drop angle). I really don't know how could possibly second aura take 2/3 of your second squadron when your TB could be in it max 1-2 seconds.

BTW: Fuso's outer aura is 40 dps for 5.0 km (x2 with manual AA + 10% with BFT +20% range with AFT).  As tier 6 ship it doesn't have significant AA modules (and I doubt tier 6 ship has two tier4 captain's skills).

[cro_pwr]

insane DMG with just one DB squadron!   Essex can have 3 squadrons of DB + 1 TB + fighters.  It's just like if you compare dmg from one turret of Zao.

Fact that CV's are just OP as f...  is well documented by stats.  From top 5 dmg dealers are 4 CVs!!!  just Yamato was able to get in between them on 3rd place.

Papedipupi is far the best player of WoWs with insane WR,  avg (amd Max too) DMG and XP!   And he plays CVs for more than 99%.

These are facts and not just some feelings that my CV could be event better coz I think it would be awesome.

 

 

you seriously don't understand the concept of CVs if you think this approach is a good one.

lets get some things straight.

CVs were historicly and in the game the hardest hitting ships. if you need to strike something, you bring CVs, if you need to sink something, you send CVs, etc etc. The only thing the CV can do in game is to scout and to deal damage. he cannot cap, he cannot spam torps to protect caps, he cannot defend the passage so the enemy team cannot push. ONLY thing he can do is to deal damage. end of story.

now, to see it from the other perspective, were they OP. well, i would probably say yes, they WERE. good CV player could pull out insane amounts of damage, and they should have been nerfed (my personal oppinion).

but if you think that constantly buffing AA is good approach, then you are making a big mistake. you want to nerf CV? ok, simply nerf the damage of torpedos/bombs, stop making them useless.

as i said, if ONE ship (BB or CA) can shoot down half of your planes down before they drop the load, 2 of them together are allready a "no flight zone", 3 of them are suicide for your planes.

so, as i said, if you want to nerf them, nerf the damage, dont make them useless, aka stop buffing AA so much that ships are simply eating your planes for breakfast.

[Gabzool]

CV players are forgeting that u can have 2 CV-s in game and 2xt10 plane atack is probably end to any t10 BB. The best part is when they drop torps right into the side of the ship without a chance to do something. With 150 knots speed and tons of HP pool even the 7,2km DP guns dont do much against them if they just atack and flee.

 

And to the full AA build with 2xT4 talent and modules. Maybe 1/3 third of games are CV games in randoms. So the rest of the games u just have the skills around for nothing. The 4 points invested could be the fire chance decrease, floding fire duration decrease and 1 point left. Which can make huge difference when cruisers are focusing you.

 

I dont understand why is there such a giant gap betwen a t7 and t10 planes in the first place. T10 planes are super fast and have tons of HP compared to T7 and low tier carriers are crying against insane AA which barely dent t10 planes from flying course. And balance this all with 2 CV-s in mind.

 

[Slauter]

Saipan is still pay to win

[jonasnee]

insane DMG with just one DB squadron!   Essex can have 3 squadrons of DB + 1 TB + fighters.  It's just like if you compare dmg from one turret of Zao.

Fact that CV's are just OP as f...  is well documented by stats.  From top 5 dmg dealers are 4 CVs!!!  just Yamato was able to get in between them on 3rd place.

Papedipupi is far the best player of WoWs with insane WR,  avg (amd Max too) DMG and XP!   And he plays CVs for more than 99%.

These are facts and not just some feelings that my CV could be event better coz I think it would be awesome.

 

 

it is a CVs job to be the damage dealers on a team since they dont offer much else (a CV wont ever be able to contest a zone with any reasonable power). i would be more concerned if the top damage dealer wasn't a CV player.

 

like lets be frank BBs are meant to get killed by air, if air wasn't in the game they would run amok with the entire goal of games becoming to see who can wipe out the enemy destroyers first. and with BB having so much HP killing them or at least seriously damaging them is a damage farm, but unlike other classes CVs cannot attack without retaliation, your going to lose planes whether you like it or not, by comparison most other ships can either hide whilst shooting or they could simply open fire after someone else is taking the punishment (and this, not damage dealing, is the true role of the BB).

[Kann_Nix_Extreme]

If it's the ships that are OP, why aren't your CV stats as amazing as Papes huh? I don't understand why people claim a class is OP and easy to play, but refuse to profit from that "OP-ness" themselves. Go on! Get yourself an Essex, do insane damage, and never lose a match again.

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

If it's the ships that are OP, why aren't your CV stats as amazing as Papes huh? I don't understand why people claim a class is OP and easy to play, but refuse to profit from that "OP-ness" themselves. Go on! Get yourself an Essex, do insane damage, and never lose a match again.

 

Because pape farmed his stats when there was 1 vs 0 cv possible way back before a couple of aa buffs and cv nerfs, he never plays without his (aa) biatches (aka he stats pads by always divisioning; he failed miserably in ranked season where he had to go in all by himself), he rushed to X and then masturbated in teamspeak when his X cv was matched against VII ships due to not being enough high tier players around, and he feasted on the many new players that had no idea of the game when it was released. I can't even hold against him that he is always playing fotm; all too human. That's how he got his stats and reputation. He gets his *** handed to him regularly if not going against casuals, e.g. team battles.

 

I haven't seen him playing in quite some time. Go figure. Not up for a challenge against some real aa and preserving his stats.... Referring to him is in no way reflecting the current state of cv.

[HaganeNoKaze]

 

Because pape farmed his stats when there was 1 vs 0 cv possible way back before a couple of aa buffs and cv nerfs, he never plays without his (aa) biatches (aka he stats pads by always divisioning; he failed miserably in ranked season where he had to go in all by himself), he rushed to X and then masturbated in teamspeak when his X cv was matched against VII ships due to not being enough high tier players around, and he feasted on the many new players that had no idea of the game when it was released. I can't even hold against him that he is always playing fotm; all too human. That's how he got his stats and reputation. He gets his *** handed to him regularly if not going against casuals, e.g. team battles.

 

I haven't seen him playing in quite some time. Go figure. Not up for a challenge against some real aa and preserving his stats.... Referring to him is in no way reflecting the current state of cv.

 

To add that Pape rarely play alone, allways in squadron with 2 others guy (at same tier than him). that's help a bit.

[kfa]

I just finished my Ranger grind and started to play the Lexington, i also have the Hakuryu.

 

Hakuryu have no problem going through AA bubbles, except Des Moines/Hindenburg defensive AA fire.

Lexington upgraded planes are also quite strong, it can even bomb Montanas with success.

On the other hand lower tier planes - Ranger and lower, Lexi stock - are horrible... i couldnt even bomb a Tirpitz or Amagi correctly in my Ranger there are just to few planes. I am realy glad low tier carriers are behind me the general AA is too strong compared to the low HP of the IJN planes and the low number of planes of the US squadrons.

[22cm]

 

Because pape farmed his stats when there was 1 vs 0 cv possible way back before a couple of aa buffs and cv nerfs, he never plays without his (aa) biatches (aka he stats pads by always divisioning; he failed miserably in ranked season where he had to go in all by himself), he rushed to X and then masturbated in teamspeak when his X cv was matched against VII ships due to not being enough high tier players around, and he feasted on the many new players that had no idea of the game when it was released. I can't even hold against him that he is always playing fotm; all too human. That's how he got his stats and reputation. He gets his *** handed to him regularly if not going against casuals, e.g. team battles.

 

I haven't seen him playing in quite some time. Go figure. Not up for a challenge against some real aa and preserving his stats.... Referring to him is in no way reflecting the current state of cv.

 

Used to call him Poopythepooper. 

[HaganeNoKaze]

Well, since i could still perform well with all my carriers, as all last patch, it's becoming more and more boring.

 

A ship should never be able to defend himself alone against a carrier, staying as a fleet should allways be the maneer to counter a carrier, concentrating AA.

 

Excepting this, the most boring part is there are some ships that you can't approach in late game, that is ridiculous.

As i write usually, i would prefer perform 300 torpedoes hit a game, dealing each 50 damage (for a total of 15000) with no leak chance, instead of only 1 torp hit with a nuclear warhead dealing several hundred thousand damage.

 

Fun in this class is to deal some hit, no scouting and hunting planes (or eventually scouting if it could be rewarding... just scouting and giving others damage, xp and fun is just... some crap, no thank for team play if you can profit it. Cause, even if you win, if you deal no damage, you won't gain lot of xp, won't be able to do the missions, etc. etc. etc...)

 

 

Finally... i found even frustrating to being able to deal as much damage in BB without using any cell in my brain... Only DD and CVs are hard to play atm.

[lankylad11_lankylad]

well US CVs are now dead.  They need AP bombs desperately to remain competitive, but even so, I attacked a montana one on one in my Midway and lost four torpedo bombers on the way in and two on the way out, there is no way on planet earth that should be happening, and it didn't before, then you get hammered by the stupid servicing time of losing all planes in a squad.  I also found that in general i was losing a lot more planes in Midway after update than i did before.  There was a time when Midway was my favourite ship in the game by some considerable distance , and BB AA didn't affect it at all.  the enemy CV was usually another Midway so you could do proper damage.  Now, they have destroyed its strike loadout, stock is very meh given what Hakuryu can offer and AS is stupid because it doesnt have any TBs.  for me to sail USS Midway again there will need to be some fundamental changes to AA on the top three US BBs, the way dive bombers operate and the loadouts of either IJN or USN CVs.  I dont get this CV nerf in EVERY patch, since not many people got to high tier CVs anyway.  i mean if there were two Midways in every battle, then fair enough but there weren't.  US CVs should return to the state they were in at the start of open beta, as should battleship AA.