Battle of Jutland Flag

[Hentai__Senpai]

Hello there WG!

 

I saw that the Warspite and the Campbeltown are being sold bundled or unbundled, with the bundled version comes a very nice flag (Battle of Jutland Flag) and it got me thinking.

We players that own either the Warspite or the Campbeltown or maybe both could get a personal mission for getting the Flag, because some players already own both ships and can't buy the bundle.

Well, this was just a though i had when i saw the sale.

 

What do you forumites think of this idea?

[Gunerstile]

Why is Battle of Jutland commemorative flag actually RN Flag with some trident on it? As far as I can tell, battle of Jutland had 2 sides involved and ended in a draw (if you are favorable towards the British you will call it a draw) but now I am forced to mount a English flag if I want commemorate that date in history....Change it or add something towards the German navy too.

[HMS_Worcester]

but now I am forced to mount a English flag if I want commemorate that date in history

 

British, if you don't mind. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people do serve in the RN as well you know.

 

Edit: And I agree, there should be more a more neutral option for the flag.

[Armo1000]

I was hoping a bit more than a flag for the battle of Jutland centenary. HMS Caroline anyone? but thats wishful thinking knowing WG.

[AndyTheCupid]

I was under the impression Britain won the Battle of Jutland. Both sides had objectives, Britain met hers, Germany didn't. Yes Britain lost more ships, but the Germans ran for port and never came out again.

[Gunerstile]

 

British, if you don't mind. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people do serve in the RN as well you know. 

 

Edit: And I agree, there should be more a more neutral option for the flag.

 

I know yea, I intentionally wrote English, but my point is that I dont want to hoist that flag on my ship(s) but I would very much like to have a "Jutland" flag sir.  

[Gunerstile]

I was under the impression Britain won the Battle of Jutland. Both sides had objectives, Britain met hers, Germany didn't. Yes Britain lost more ships, but the Germans ran for port and never came out again.

 

Its debatable, but you can call it a draw at best. You say that Germans ran to port and never came back, did the British? Both factions stayed idle for the rest of the war. But Britain as greatest naval power lost more men and ships to accomplish nothing. Yes the other side also did nothing but at lest they inflicted greater casualties while accomplishing that nothing. 

Thats my view of situation.

[Ictogan]

 

Its debatable, but you can call it a draw at best. You say that Germans ran to port and never came back, did the British? Both factions stayed idle for the rest of the war. But Britain as greatest naval power lost more men and ships to accomplish nothing. Yes the other side also did nothing but at lest they inflicted greater casualties while accomplishing that nothing. 

Thats my view of situation.

 

No matter how the battle went, it was a strategical victory for Britain, because they succeeded in their strategical goals whereas Germany didn't.

[Admiral_noodle]

I was under the impression Britain won the Battle of Jutland. Both sides had objectives, Britain met hers, Germany didn't. Yes Britain lost more ships, but the Germans ran for port and never came out again.

 

Yes. Battle of Jutland was a British victory. Even the raw numbers of ships lost are misleading as many German ships were heavily damaged while most British ones remained in fighting condition. 

 

It it was an unfair fight the German navy could never win as soon as they left port. The key player in the victory was code breaking, preventing the Germans from surprising and ambushing part of the British fleet. 

 

The germans showed themselves a match for British seamanship and their engineering and ammo handling was proved superior to the British. 

 

But they could never match the numbers. Jellicoe played the battle conservatively and didn't need to sink more ships. 

 

If this was wows - British team lost more ships and won by capping. 

 

I also think the Jutland flag ought to commemorate both sides. 

[aboomination]

I was under the impression Britain won the Battle of Jutland

 

 

 Yes Britain lost more ships

 

 

 

[Armo1000]

Well its pointless either way cus im not paying £38 for a flag

[Historynerd]

I was under the impression Britain won the Battle of Jutland. Both sides had objectives, Britain met hers, Germany didn't. Yes Britain lost more ships, but the Germans ran for port and never came out again.

 

I don't dispute the general statement - I too believe that, even on tactical terms, the British came out on top (especially considering that the Hochseeflotte twice blundered into the worst possible situation, and barely managed to get away).

 

However, I'd like to point out that the Hoschseeflotte did come out of the harbour again and sailed the North Sea - three times, to be exact.

[Gunerstile]

 

Yes. Battle of Jutland was a British victory. Even the raw numbers of ships lost are misleading as many German ships were heavily damaged while most British ones remained in fighting condition. 

 

 

Ok then, by that logic Russia won the battle of Borodino.  

[HMS_Erebus]

Germany can't claim a tactical victory over the Royal Navy at Jutland, it was forced to retreat you can call the battle a pyrrhic victory if you want, but Britain still won.

 

Also the fact that you only get the flag by getting the bundle is a bit silly if you already have the Warspite.

[Admiral_noodle]

Depends what your victory conditions are. If it's "he who sinks more ships wins" then sure - German victory. But the German fleet came out, lives were lost, status quo remained. British objectives met. German objectives not met. Strategic victory for Britain.

 

You could also argue Britain won the see was by breaking German code. Invalidating the German strategy completely.

[chib1977]

I was going to buy sone doubloons friday anyway ,so im considering buying the bundle assuming the warspite will deffinatly be converted to doubloons and not credits ,can anyone confirm this or will i just have to "suck it and see "

[Armo1000]

The RN managed to maintain the Naval blockade of german ships which was there objective all along. So in that sense won.

[Historynerd]

Depends what your victory conditions are. If it's "he who sinks more ships wins" then sure - German victory. But the German fleet came out, lives were lost, status quo remained. British objectives met. German objectives not met. Strategic victory for Britain.

 

You could also argue Britain won the see was by breaking German code. Invalidating the German strategy completely.

 

We could also argue that, even though they sank more ships, the Germans ended up facing the entirety of the enemy fleet (the anathema of their whole strategy), and spent the latter part of the engagement trying their darnedest to evade the enemy and reach the safety of their home port (which, it has to be acknowledged, they did, thanks in part to the fact that at night the British fought in a lackluster way).

 

We could discuss wheter a "tactical victory" is not merely one in which your side inflicts more damage on the enemy, but has also kept the initiative and forced the enemy to react to your movements.

[lafeel]

Given that several of the German ships that weren't sunk were so severely damaged as to needing months or more of repairs (Seydlitz is a prime example) I think calling it a tactical draw is the fairest result.

 

As well as of course a strategic win for Great Britain as the Germans did not break the blockade.

[_Maou_]

I think that anyone owning The Grand Old Lady or the Campbeltown should get a chance to that flag and frankly the only reason i want that bundle is that silly flag xd..I think it would be the fairest if they gave us a chance (those who own either Warspite or Campbeltown or both) to be able to get that flag :/

[Tuuletar]

I would like to see that flag can someone post it here?

[OldGrandad]

I would like to see that flag can someone post it here?

 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

That Jutland flag got me thinking too...

 

So the greatest naval battle of modern history (Jutland 1916 - 100th anniversary in 5 days) is going to be celebrated like this in World of Warships?

 

With a british flag you can only get by buying a a british premium ship bundle?

 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

...Britain won by capping

 

[Armo1000]

That Jutland flag got me thinking too...

 

So the greatest naval battle of modern history (Jutland 1916 - 100th anniversary in 5 days) is going to be celebrated like this in World of Warships?

 

With a british flag you can only get by buying a a british premium ship bundle?

 

 

 

Exactly my thoughts. No special premium ship (HMS Caroline would have been ideal) and no individual special. instead they bunch it up with this Grand naval battles thing which i dont really care about personally. and id be stupid to pay £38 for a flag