more high tier japanese destroyer changes

[OlFson]

 

So your more than happy to go into a gunfight with a Gearing ?

 

[Nechrom]

Fubuki is where the IJN DD line stops.

[Ictogan]

 

So your more than happy to go into a gunfight with a Gearing ?

No, but I will go into a gunfight with just about anything other than a Gearing, Khaba and Udaloi.

[Lightbaron]

I don't understand all the Kagerou hate here again.

Of the higher tier IJN DDs she's the one I feel most comfortable in.

Already played her really agressive before the 0.5.5 patch and since the patch where I got the 8km F3 torps she became an even better fit for how I play her as 10km was usually the maximum range I used torps on even before the patch.

Now I have a 17 point captain on her skilled on torp/gunnery hybrid which makes it a lot easier to play her than with an unskilled captain but you should usually have gotten enough xp at t9 to have at least a 15 point captain available.

If the server stats agree with the general opinion in the forum I wouldn't mind another buff for her in the future but for now I'm pleased with how she is and will enjoy playing her.

 

Shimakaze getting the better torps from the beginning is nice for those on the way to her while I did never really like the slow 15km torps on Fubuki and am glad to already be past that for a long time.

According to wows-numbers.com Udaloi is the t9 DD with the highest damage and average xp starting at top 50% of the players so we might see a nerf for her in the future or IJN and USN DDs will be buffed (while keeping the torpedoes similar to how they are at the moment) to be on par with her.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

No, but I will go into a gunfight with just about anything other than a Gearing, Khaba and Udaloi.

 

So the guns are not good enough then ? Shima is a T10, would ypou happily fight a Fletcher "head to head" ? the Fletcher has a 3 second reload time, the Shima has an 8 second reload time

[ColonelPete]

I don't understand all the Kagerou hate here again.

Of the higher tier IJN DDs she's the one I feel most comfortable in.

Already played her really agressive before the 0.5.5 patch and since the patch where I got the 8km F3 torps she became an even better fit for how I play her as 10km was usually the maximum range I used torps on even before the patch.

Now I have a 17 point captain on her skilled on torp/gunnery hybrid which makes it a lot easier to play her than with an unskilled captain but you should usually have gotten enough xp at t9 to have at least a 15 point captain available.

If the server stats agree with the general opinion in the forum I wouldn't mind another buff for her in the future but for now I'm pleased with how she is and will enjoy playing her.

 

Shimakaze getting the better torps from the beginning is nice for those on the way to her while I did never really like the slow 15km torps on Fubuki and am glad to already be past that for a long time.

According to wows-numbers.com Udaloi is the t9 DD with the highest damage and average xp starting at top 50% of the players so we might see a nerf for her in the future or IJN and USN DDs will be buffed (while keeping the torpedoes similar to how they are at the moment) to be on par with her.

Not if you kept some ships.

I have an 11 point captain Minekaze,

a 14 point captain on Fubuki which I did not retrain for Kagero because of torpedo acceleration and now an 8 point captain on Kagero, which I will bring to 10 points before playing more games with the ship.

[T0byJug]

And I have played both the Kagero and the Shima after the patch with the 8km torpedoes and I felt much safer using them in the Shima.

 

What utter rubbish lol, you feel safer in the Shima with 8km torps   you serious ?? lol

 

You have only played 26 battles with a Shima, and only survived 7 lol, must cost you a fortune in credits

 

Spartan1963 before commenting on other peoples stats. Why not unhide your own?

[Ictogan]

 

So the guns are not good enough then ? Shima is a T10, would ypou happily fight a Fletcher "head to head" ? the Fletcher has a 3 second reload time, the Shima has an 8 second reload time

 

Shima has better alpha and shell arcs, which can be used to turn the battle in its favor. It's also faster, so it dictates the engagement distance to a certain degree. And the F3 torps are probably the best torps in the game for knife fights.

[aboomination]

 

So the guns are not good enough then ? Shima is a T10, would ypou happily fight a Fletcher "head to head" ? the Fletcher has a 3 second reload time, the Shima has an 8 second reload time

 

Jap guns hit around 14%  harder but have much less dpm than US DD guns, simple. But you are not supposed to be in that situation in the first place because your turret rotation speed sucks. 

Let's put it like this: The days of torping with the right and fapping with the left hand are over, you'll have to pick your fights more carefully.

Wonder what you'd say if you were playing the Montana. Oh the tears.

 

[aboomination]

Not if you kept some ships.

I have an 11 point captain Minekaze,

a 14 point captain on Fubuki which I did not retrain for Kagero because of torpedo acceleration and now an 8 point captain on Kagero, which I will bring to 10 points before playing more games with the ship.

 

That's your decision, don't blame the game. You are not supposed to play the higher tiers with low lvl captains, ofc WG balances those ships around good captains.

ps: I do this, too but I don't blame the game.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

Jap guns hit around 14%  harder but have much less dpm than US DD guns, simple. But you are not supposed to be in that situation in the first place because your turret rotation speed sucks. 

Let's put it like this: The days of torping with the right and fapping with the left hand are over, you'll have to pick your fights more carefully.

Wonder what you'd say if you were playing the Montana. Oh the tears.

 

 

You don't pick fights, fights find you, once spotted then its highly likely you have to either run or fight, or both

[T0byJug]

I don't understand all the Kagerou hate here again.

Of the higher tier IJN DDs she's the one I feel most comfortable in.

Already played her really agressive before the 0.5.5 patch and since the patch where I got the 8km F3 torps she became an even better fit for how I play her as 10km was usually the maximum range I used torps on even before the patch.

Now I have a 17 point captain on her skilled on torp/gunnery hybrid which makes it a lot easier to play her than with an unskilled captain but you should usually have gotten enough xp at t9 to have at least a 15 point captain available.

If the server stats agree with the general opinion in the forum I wouldn't mind another buff for her in the future but for now I'm pleased with how she is and will enjoy playing her.

 

Shimakaze getting the better torps from the beginning is nice for those on the way to her while I did never really like the slow 15km torps on Fubuki and am glad to already be past that for a long time.

According to wows-numbers.com Udaloi is the t9 DD with the highest damage and average xp starting at top 50% of the players so we might see a nerf for her in the future or IJN and USN DDs will be buffed (while keeping the torpedoes similar to how they are at the moment) to be on par with her.

Thing is with the Russian DD's is that they are very very hard to play. Only committed (or committable ) and good players play them. Yes there stats tend to be good but just look how much less Russian DD's are played than any other nation

 

Last week 

Fletcher   11259

Kagaroo  12702 

Udaloi       2322

[aboomination]

You don't pick fights, fights find you, once spotted then its highly likely you have to either run or fight, or both

 

So you are playing the most stealthy and stealth dependent ship line in the game and say that fights most of the time (or even always) find you? Shame.

Also what other option besides running, fighting or both do you want? Nuclear strike?

[ColonelPete]

Where it is written that you are not supposed to do that?

And it was not my decision to devalue torpedo acceleration for the F3 torpedos.

Otherwise I would have sold Fubuki and taken the captain for Kagero.

[Ictogan]

 

That's your decision, don't blame the game. You are not supposed to play the higher tiers with low lvl captains, ofc WG balances those ships around good captains.

ps: I do this, too but I don't blame the game.

 

A big problem imo is that trying to play competitively in a clan means leaving the good captains in t8 ships, which means starting t9s with fresh captains.

[aboomination]

Where it is written that you are not supposed to do that?

 

Common sense?!

 

 

A big problem imo is that trying to play competitively in a clan means leaving the good captains in t8 ships, which means starting t9s with fresh captains.

 

Don't worry, those t8 ships will all be prem ships by the end of the year anyway 

[Nechrom]

Thing is with the Russian DD's is that they are very very hard to play. Only committed (or committable ) and good players play them. Yes there stats tend to be good but just look how much less Russian DD's are played than any other nation

 

Last week 

Fletcher   11259

Kagaroo  12702 

Udaloi       2322

 

That's a huge number of games for a DD that has only been in the game a fraction of the time the other two has.

[T0byJug]

 

Jap guns hit around 14%  harder but have much less dpm than US DD guns, simple. But you are not supposed to be in that situation in the first place because your turret rotation speed sucks. 

Let's put it like this: The days of torping with the right and fapping with the left hand are over, you'll have to pick your fights more carefully.

Wonder what you'd say if you were playing the Montana. Oh the tears.

 

Ok only rely  played the Fubuki but her guns are fantastic and as you say. You don't go looking for gun fights alone. But  and this is a big but! Any US or Russian DD getting in a chase fight with a Fubuki will be in a world of pain. Fubuki excels in running and any one chassing faces 4 very accurate guns and a very narrow target. Russian DDs tend to fair better as they have the bulk of there armament in the bow.

[aboomination]

 

That's a huge number of games for a DD that has only been in the game a fraction of the time the other two has.

 

Idk about "huge" but it's surely not the new go-to line of cookie cutter DD. I'm at the Ognevoi and I agree that so far the soviet line has been a much rougher experience than the other two nations (enjoyed the Derzky, tho).

 

Butt  and this is a big butt! 

#fixed 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

 

Common sense?!

 

 

Don't worry, those t8 ships will all be prem ships by the end of the year anyway 

That is not what supposed means.

[T0byJug]

 

A big problem imo is that trying to play competitively in a clan means leaving the good captains in t8 ships, which means starting t9s with fresh captains.

 

Or planning ahead. I put a 14 point commander in my Fletcher as soon as I unlocked her as I new the Benson was a keeper! Trained up in the phonix.

 Kagaroo court me out as originally I was not planning to keep Fubuki. But I love the game play of Fubuki! a torp boat with a Big sting inthe tail with those 2 rear turrets. But Kamakazee and Tashibina trained a 10 point commander for her

 

Russian DD's I struggle with they are not easy to play.But i am starting to get the Hang of teh Udaloi. Tachkent i liked at the end

[ghostbuster_]

Not everyone has a captain with 15 points on IJN DDs. Without the additional concealment the high Tier IJN DDs are hard to play.

 

if they dont have 5th captain skill yet in their top tier DDs, there is something wrong...

[T0byJug]

 

That's a huge number of games for a DD that has only been in the game a fraction of the time the other two has.

 

Thats in 1 week.

 

also look at the other late arrives

 

German CA

Ubuki                5943

Roon                8107

Dmitri Donskoi  3507

Baltimore          4703

 

Being a late arival certainly has not hindered the German Cruisers in late tier game play. 

 

A couple of months after a tech line is out the fact they are new tends to mean they are played more than other ships of comparable tier

 

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

So you are playing the most stealthy and stealth dependent ship line in the game and say that fights most of the time (or even always) find you? Shame.

Also what other option besides running, fighting or both do you want? Nuclear strike?

 

Do you not think you should first sail these ships before coming to that conclusion, you don't seem to know what you are saying. It's like me telling the captains of the Hindenburgh, Yamato (or any other ship that i have not sailed) how to play the game correctly, when in reality i don't have any knowledge to their strengths and weaknesses

[aboomination]

 

Do you not think you should first sail these ships before coming to that conclusion, you don't seem to know what you are saying. It's like me telling the captains of the Hindenburgh, Yamato (or any other ship that i have not sailed) how to play the game correctly, when in reality i don't have any knowledge to their strengths and weaknesses

 

So you disagree with what I said?