AA & CV's..This has gotta stop WG

[RamirezKurita]

 

This ! Definitely this ! (Maybe with some few variations on the number !) It would imply to play in team.

 

For the second suggestion, good one too, but it would still give too much efficiency to AA specialized ships.

 

AA ships can actually counter an entire player and nullify it + still dealing damage, assisting team, capping, etc. 

 

It would be better to see some mechanics that permits to any CV player to help and support its team, or just simply play normally. A CV should be able to deal some damage, no matter what is the AA capacity of any team or ship alone.. Or... being an AA ships should a choice with some countereffects (While i'm not agree with this solution at all).

 

​Yeah, the numbers I threw out on the first suggestion were just simple ones to get the point across. It all comes down to how pronounced the effect needs to be as well as where the break even point should be.

 

The second suggestion wouldn't overall increase the AA effectiveness of ships. It would remove the damage boost by focusing, so if they are trying to take down torpedo bombers they will actually shoot down fewer aircraft than current. It would also require a fair amount of aircraft in the skies to match the current damage boost from focusing, the number range I suggested was such that a mid-tier alpha strike would basically provide similar AA power as before; the only situations that it would provide a significant AA boost compared to current performance would be if there's also fighters around (which would also soak up some of the damage themselves) or during combined strikes from multiple high tier carriers (which is something that is still incredibly hard to stop even with all the buffs to AA).

 

Also, strong AA groups should be avoided by carriers. However, even if the entire enemy team sails together and all stays within support range of each other such that the carrier can't get anywhere near strike range, it does not mean the carrier is useless. Pinning enemy teams together like that just makes them torpedo food due to their grouping, unable to hunt down your destroyers and makes objective taking very difficult for them as they can't split ships off easily; meanwhile your team has the run of the entire map.

[Vulgarny]

My crew in AA center

 

 

 

 

 

And yes Im CV player so in CA im worst CV player nightmare

[robihr]

My crew in AA center

 

 

 

 

 

And yes Im CV player so in CA im worst CV player nightmare

its not you, its them

[HaganeNoKaze]

@ Kaleston To be honest, i think the Nagato get lot of planes from his teammates shot, cause their team did go together (Not exactly all, Nagato, Fuso, Haguro and Yorck). And of course... The 2 kills i got was the dds. (The only target remaining atm for CVs...).

 

So I went for others targets first, their ranger died early (thank for rushing in front line with CV (well it happens sometimes... not focused ingame, or too frustrated from precedent ones so no focusing either on actual, anyway)). But once these 3 down... what left ? Fuso is making babied with Nagato, Haguro stay close, Yorck same.... 

 

 

@Vulgarny Baltimore being a nightmare for CV is normal.... but not as this point. (Quite impressive number btw ! :p)

 

Any CV, as any ship, should be able to still do something against its nemesis, all ships are able to do it, except CVs in actual patch.

 

 

 

[VeteranGamer84]

Personally, I see CVs as a game breaking "ship" and I like how AA is performing in covering allied ships.

[Date_A_Bullet]

I was sunk from a CV in my Tirpitz last match, wow. Well okay, i shot down almost all of his planes until he made it.

 

Thats also the big difference to any other ship:

Even if you manage to damage or sink your enemy, you will lose a bit of your firepower every time.

 

Another reason why you just cant see a 1v1 as BB with CV to be fair. A CV is supposed to have influence on the whole match, this is impossible if the CV loses a whole squadron (or even more) against one lonely BB.

 

[159Hunter]

A solo NC shot down 41 of my Midway planes today, I attacked him in two waves of two squads and still they fell like flies. How on earth is this balanced AA? He didn't even have cruiser support and wasn't excessively manoeuvering, so my planes went straight in...

[Kronke]

While WG use a all or nothing approach to AA and planes , it will  swing back and forth between not enough and too much.

 

Possible solution ?

 

• Make AA primarily about disruption with a low chance of destruction.  Leave fighters as the main source of destruction.
• Change the nature of disruption.  Rather than a fixed effect , the higher the level  the higher the chance of dud torps/bombs and higher the chance of going off course.
• Captain skills for more resistant planes/ accurate AA gunners directly affecting %
• Minimum and maximum values to always give a chance to both sides.

 

This would allow low AA ships a better chance of doing something and been alone will not signal a death knell by air (still hurt mind)

Lower tier CV in a higher tier game could at least get to target and have a chance of doing damage.

Choice of loadout will have more meaning

One full CV strike on a equal tier full health ship (not DD's) would not be instant death unless it was stationary and unlucky , (floods, fires citadel).

 

Overall the idea is to get away from the all or nothing which is not that much fun to be on the giving or receiving end and allow ships to take some knocks as is fitting.

 

Would need a A2A combat overhaul as well as that's still too RNG and not well implemented.  Though I doubt little will happen on either as WG finds it difficult to do anything needing more than point and click.

[HaganeNoKaze]

@avenger121 If you could at least play CV a bit, maybe you could have some weight here, but since you hide your stats ? (Maybe a shame to show them ?) Or maybe you didn't play CV at all, or playing BBs and CAs, so you shouldn't have a word there ! Oh yeah, give some explanations and suggestions, your are just polluting thread.

 

And yeah, meta back were not that good, definitely better than today, but far than good. You could still be good, you could still turn the tide of the game (and i find normal, since the class it's the one hardest to masterize, cf WG words in the end of last year). But there is no point to have such power if it's the class is boring as hell.

 

Btw, you BB/CA players will only satisfied until the class disappeared. Hopefully, this won't happen.

Talking about BB/CAs, it's not normal that a class requesting no focus to play (cause yeah, being able to deal 100k+ damage without giving a crapto the game, when do it with CV request a full focus on game, just need to have a good aim and move (such skills !)), more the class request focus, patience and skill to play, more it should be reward. And in that case, DDs and CVs should be kings.

[robihr]

if you want to see his stats

https://warships.today/player/507353297/eu/avenger121

 

and i agree that he needs to play CV. maybe then he will stop making such posts

[Martinborgen]

I personally would be fine if AA from different ships stacked up nicely, but from lone ships it's rather on the weaker side. 

[Ictogan]

I personally would be fine if AA from different ships stacked up nicely, but from lone ships it's rather on the weaker side. 

 

Well currently it stacks up nicely even though lone ships already have very strong AA.

[Martinborgen]

 

Well currently it stacks up nicely even though lone ships already have very strong AA.

 

I mean more like a bonus. Say nerf most ships AA; then add a bonus, if two ship's AA shoots an aircraft squadron, then their DPS vs that target is increased by X percent. The result would be that lone ships are easier and groups are harder to attack from the air. 

[Syrchalis]

 

I mean more like a bonus. Say nerf most ships AA; then add a bonus, if two ship's AA shoots an aircraft squadron, then their DPS vs that target is increased by X percent. The result would be that lone ships are easier and groups are harder to attack from the air. 

 

But why though? If we take two ships that each do 200 AA dps, then together they already deal 400 AA dps. It's already a huge bonus. Why make that even worse? Part of the problem with AA is that huge blobs of ships are completely and utterly immune to planes.

[Martinborgen]

 

But why though? If we take two ships that each do 200 AA dps, then together they already deal 400 AA dps. It's already a huge bonus. Why make that even worse? Part of the problem with AA is that huge blobs of ships are completely and utterly immune to planes.

 

Read my post again ;)

 

If two ships each deal 20 dps, they're screwed against CV, but when both ships AA fire the same target they get a 500% bonus, giving them combined 200dps. Values are exaggerated in order to make a point. 

[avenger121]

If you could at least play CV a bit, maybe you could have some weight here, but since you hide your stats ? (Maybe a shame to show them ?)

 

Seriously?! What is this with all those guys talking shít about hiding stats and being ashamed to show them? Do you really need a e-peen contest that bad?! By the way, your stats are not very impressive, regarding CV matches, I said several times throughout the thread that I never played a single CV match since I am not interested in playing a castrated in other words baby´s first RTS.

 

Regarding the rest of your post, I stopped at "And yeah, meta back were not that good, definitely better than today, but far than good." As I said, CV apologists wanting CV meta back, even worse, CV meta was not enough, CV need to be even more powerful than they have been.

Top kek.

[Syrchalis]

 

Seriously?! What is this with all those guys talking shít about hiding stats and being ashamed to show them? Do you really need a e-peen contest that bad?! By the way, your stats are not very impressive, regarding CV matches, I said several times throughout the thread that I never played a single CV match since I am not interested in playing a castrated in other words baby´s first RTS.

 

Regarding the rest of your post, I stopped at "And yeah, meta back were not that good, definitely better than today, but far than good." As I said, CV apologists wanting CV meta back, even worse, CV meta was not enough, CV need to be even more powerful than they have been.

Top kek.

 

Hypocrite who doesn't even understand the class wants to argue about it.

 

Top kek.

 

Get out now.

[robihr]

 

Hypocrite who doesn't even understand the class wants to argue about it.

 

Top kek.

 

Get out now.

 

i like it how he ignores every suggestion made in here to improve CV play and just spouts CV apologist want to bring CV meta back.

 

trade-offs were suggested for reduce in AA, but he doesnt read that, he just reads CV apologist say CV are UP and want back OP CV. it is hard to explain something to him when every well reasoned argument by people who play CV is shot down by him by calling everyone CV apologists.

 

like i said before to avenger121 to play some CV at least till t7-t8 and then discuss what is wrong with CV. cause every time i see someone use terms "CV apologist" i see someone actually saying "I am really stupid".

[avenger121]

 

Hypocrite who doesn't even understand the class wants to argue about it.

 

I am the hypocrite for not wanting CV meta back? OK.

 

Also someone that created several threads about AA needing to be nerfed, CVs having too much counterplay in high tier, .................. back when CVs have been OP as hell shouldnt not call other people hypocrite. Or do you want to tell us that CVs have not been OP as hell back in CV meta?

[avenger121]

[Syrchalis]

 

I am the hypocrite for not wanting CV meta back?

 

You are a hypocrite for calling people who play all classes with a heavier percentage in CVs "CV apologists" and say their arguments and opinions are invalid - because they are - in your own worthless opinion - biased. While meanwhile you have not a single game in a CV, making you utterly unable to see the issue from any perspective but the BB/CA/DD side, which makes you objectively biased.

 

Also you apparently can't read. Or you're trying REALLY hard to interpret your agenda into posts. Good job, go with that attitude through life. Maybe you should read the book "Manual of being unhappy" (original title: Anleitung zum Unglücklichsein) from Paul Watzlawick.

[avenger121]

 

You are a hypocrite for calling people who play all classes with a heavier percentage in CVs "CV apologists" and say their arguments and opinions are invalid - because they are - in your own worthless opinion - biased. While meanwhile you have not a single game in a CV, making you utterly unable to see the issue from any perspective but the BB/CA/DD side, which makes you objectively biased.

 

Also you apparently can't read. Or you're trying REALLY hard to interpret your agenda into posts. Good job, go with that attitude through life. Maybe you should read the book "Manual of being unhappy" (original title: Anleitung zum Unglücklichsein) from Paul Watzlawick.

 

That would mean I would make the effort to check ppl´s stats. My point still is, CVs are doing very very well, check server stats, therefore no buffs needed. Call me hypocrite, when I play BBs that do every 30s 40k citadel salvoes or when my Gearing/Fletcher shoot whole squadrons down. I hope you remember who wrote this.

 

For the second part, dont even try to tell me you just complained about automatic AA being a broing and fun killing gameplay element, you want me to show your very own posts, with high tier CVs back in CV meta being weak and countered by everything. You didnt complain solely because AA is unfun, you complained because your CVs havent been strong enough. Let´s assume I am wrong, could you show me your posts that demand balance back in CV meta, I miss those.

[AgarwaenME]

 

That would mean I would make the effort to check ppl´s stats. My point still is, CVs are doing very very well, check server stats, therefore no buffs needed. Call me hypocrite, when I play BBs that do every 30s 40k citadel salvoes or when my Gearing/Fletcher shoot whole squadrons down. I hope you remember who wrote this.

 

For the second part, dont even try to tell me you just complained about automatic AA being a broing and fun killing gameplay element, you want me to show your very own posts, with high tier CVs back in CV meta being weak and countered by everything. You didnt complain solely because AA is unfun, you complained because your CVs havent been strong enough. Let´s assume I am wrong, could you show me your posts that demand balance back in CV meta, I miss those.

 

You're a hypocrite for making outrageous comparisons.

 

A 40k salvo every 30s from a BB would be the same as CVs doing 160k+ on every attack. Is that happening? No, so don't pretend it does.

[avenger121]

 

You're a hypocrite for making outrageous comparisons.

 

A 40k salvo every 30s from a BB would be the same as CVs doing 160k+ on every attack. Is that happening? No, so don't pretend it does.

 

Thanks a lot for agreeing with me, it wasnt me who made these comparisons, I wanted to remember him of those while he calls me hypocrite.

 

Edit:

It's bullcrap. First off, Yamato has 58% torpedo protection, so not possible. Secondly, if I shoot a Yamato broadsiding with a tiny T8 BB I get a 30k salvo. Every 30 seconds. A perfect CV attack on a lone Yamato with 3-4 minutes cooldown doing 45k? Feels pretty UP to me.

 

 

 

[AgarwaenME]

 

Thanks a lot for agreeing with me, it wasnt me who made these comparisons, I wanted to remember him of those while he calls me hypocrite.

 

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Except not, I just clarify how you pull numbers out of your rear to make a comparison that's utterly ridiculous.