USS Indianapolis

[Poster_2015]

So im just starting the topic - it should be out there for testers soon. Just wanna gather impression. Im not sure how they will be introduced to the game, but late Portland class basically feels like New Orleans, except with crap turrets. It might be really powerful for tier 7, but having turrets with DD level of protection might prove frustrating. Early "as designed" Portland on other hand would feature pensacola level of protection and AA and 1 gun less - again not sure about that. 

[piritskenyer]

You realise that the turrets should be the same as n°2 and 3 on the Pensacola, right? And noone would ever call those turrets weaker than average. 

Anyway, the thing about the Indianapolis is that some info points towards her being T7 (HP pool, armour, armament), some other things point towards her being a T8 premium (high range). I think that if she was to be T7, she'd have her range reduced a bit.

[Poster_2015]

Official info on WG site says it will be t7. Pensacola turrets are paper, but given how paper the whole ship is, its rarely noticed. Furthermore everyone shoots at the citadel area since its so easy to do it, and Pepsi has those turrets especially high - so they dont get hit often . 

[VC381]

Strange, the US already has a T7 premium cruiser, and another T7 premium. It's missing the "standard" T8 premium that other nations seem to have, so I would prefer if they put the effort in to balance her at that tier even if she's a little too weak for it, rather than have her too strong at T7. It's a tough choice since historically the design was between Pensacola and New Orleans in performance.

 

The other concern related to that is concealment, if she has Pensacola level detection without access to the concealment module it wouldn't be great.

 

Regardless, I'm eagerly awaiting this and will probably buy the second it comes out. Looks like she has historical camouflage to boot!

[piritskenyer]

Strange, the US already has a T7 premium cruiser, and another T7 premium. It's missing the "standard" T8 premium that other nations seem to have, so I would prefer if they put the effort in to balance her at that tier even if she's a little too weak for it, rather than have her too strong at T7. It's a tough choice since historically the design was between Pensacola and New Orleans in performance.

 

The other concern related to that is concealment, if she has Pensacola level detection without access to the concealment module it wouldn't be great.

 

Regardless, I'm eagerly awaiting this and will probably buy the second it comes out. Looks like she has historical camouflage to boot!

 

Concealment is listed as 13.95 with gunrange at 16.9

[T_H_0_R]

Official info on WG site says it will be t7. Pensacola turrets are paper, but given how paper the whole ship is, its rarely noticed. Furthermore everyone shoots at the citadel area since its so easy to do it, and Pepsi has those turrets especially high - so they dont get hit often . 

 

After 235 games with Pensacola I can't remember ever losing a turret, permanently that is. In New Orleans OTOH, I've lost both front ones to Ibuki once. And in Baltimore middle or rear turret on several occasions to Hindi. Go figure...

 

Really hyped about a better version of Pensacola, I enjoyed every match I sailed her out of the port. T8 cruisers see T10s often. T7 MM is much more pleasant in terms of other CA HP poll / armor you run into and there is occasional T5 seal clubbing.

 

The way I see it I think they gave her less HP to compensate for the better armor (belt armor being thicker than on NO IIRC). The range bonus over NO and Pensa I can't figure out. Must be a premium ship thing like MK.

 

All in all, depending on the reviews and final stats I am very much looking forward to USS Indianapolis. Shes got the looks, great guns and maneuverability. Now even armor - the thing Pensacola did not have.

[VC381]

 

Concealment is listed as 13.95 with gunrange at 16.9

 

Thank you for indulging my laziness that looks pretty strong. It's a shame because I really like my Pensacola despite her flaws, since it's confirmed T7 this will be another premium of the "strictly better than equivalent normal ship" variety.

 

Any indication of what her premium party trick will be? RADAR at T7? Absurdly strong AA?

[T_H_0_R]

Any indication of what her premium party trick will be? RADAR at T7? Absurdly strong AA?

 

I doubt it will be AA, AA should be similar to NO or Pensa, probably some where in between.

 

Hoping for radar myself. Although, if she gets 9 km range like NO, it won't have the same concealment benefits NO has with its maximum concealment of 9.5 km.

[Poster_2015]

T_H_0_R, on 10 May 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

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After 235 games with Pensacola I can't remember ever losing a turret, permanently that is. In New Orleans OTOH, I've lost both front ones to Ibuki once. And in Baltimore middle or rear turret on several occasions to Hindi. Go fig

[Poster_2015]

 

After 235 games with Pensacola I can't remember ever losing a turret, permanently that is. In New Orleans OTOH, I've lost both front ones to Ibuki once. And in Baltimore middle or rear turret on several occasions to Hindi. Go figure...

 

 

Yea same for me (well i did lose it few times but very rarely), but like i said, its because Pepsi turrets are really unlikely to ever get hit - its the placement thing. Go launch a training room and aim at them and you will see they break easily. On other hand on Portland you will have them in same spots as Balmer or NO ... Well they can just give it hp through the roof so they wont get permanently broken, but i guess they will suffer from "indispositions". 

[T_H_0_R]

Me not losing a turret in Pensa might also have something to do with the name of the game being not to get hit in the first place to begin with. 

 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

So, basically, this is a New Orleans with Baltimore armour, Russian range and T8 AA on T7. 

Won't be OP at all. Recently, it really looks like all new premiums are on tier too low.

Texas could easily be a T6 with a bit of tweaking, Molotov SHOULD be a T7, this SHOULD be a T8....

[piritskenyer]

So, basically, this is a New Orleans with Baltimore armour, Russian range and T8 AA on T7. 

Won't be OP at all. Recently, it really looks like all new premiums are on tier too low.

Texas could easily be a T6 with a bit of tweaking, Molotov SHOULD be a T7, this SHOULD be a T8....

 

What makes you think she'll have the armour of B-more? The max armour may be 5.7", but that's practically one narrow patch on the belt. The rest is both in layout and thickness closer to Pensacola than even New Orleans. The HP pool is also lower than that of the Pepsi, and the AA, for what I've seen, is identical to that of the Pepsi (8x 5"/25, 6x 4x 40mm/60 Bofors, 10-something 20mm Oerlikon). 

The rudder shift time is listed as 11.9 on TAP, which is a mere 2.8 seconds worse than that of the Pepsi's stock (9.1 w/o rudder mod).

The guns are the same as those on the Pepsi as well, bar their layout (they are housed in three triple turrets instead of two triple and two double - in fact they have the exact same triple turrets the Pepsi has). 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

What makes you think she'll have the armour of B-more? The max armour may be 5.7", but that's practically one narrow patch on the belt. The rest is both in layout and thickness closer to Pensacola than even New Orleans. The HP pool is also lower than that of the Pepsi, and the AA, for what I've seen, is identical to that of the Pepsi (8x 5"/25, 6x 4x 40mm/60 Bofors, 10-something 20mm Oerlikon). 

The rudder shift time is listed as 11.9 on TAP, which is a mere 2.8 seconds worse than that of the Pepsi's stock (9.1 w/o rudder mod).

The guns are the same as those on the Pepsi as well, bar their layout (they are housed in three triple turrets instead of two triple and two double - in fact they have the exact same triple turrets the Pepsi has). 

 

It also gets better (slightly less worse) concealment. With CE; this might even be able to stealth shoot! Come on man, this is easily a T8.

[piritskenyer]

 

It also gets better (slightly less worse) concealment. With CE; this might even be able to stealth shoot! Come on man, this is easily a T8.

 

I'm not saying it couldn't fit to T8, however, we are pre-supertest here, which means when the testers get to sail her out she may turn out overperforming.

Even if she outperforms Pensacola that's not entirely the Indianapolis' fault but rather the fault of on of Pensacola's hands being tied behind her back to fight. If she got her final refit her silhouette would be lower and that would take away the argument for the stupidly high detection range.

 

As for invisifire, I'm not that sure. 13.95 (base det range) * 0.97 (paint reduction) * 0.88 (cpt skill) = 11,9 | 11,9 + (6,09*0,88)  = 17,26. Gun range being 16,9, she doesn't get to invisifire.

 

Don't be so worried. Will she outperform Pensacola? Surely. Will she be the best T7 CA to date? Possibly. Will she outperform T8 CA's? I doubt it. Would she be suited for T8? Again: I doubt it. Even with concealment mod she'd be outspotted by any other CA/CL on T8 bar MK and Hipper, and those two can easily outgun him if need be, while the IJN CA's and the NO would have no problem ambushing her in open water with their far superior detection range.

 

Now with regards to her being the most powerful T7 CA, like I said, that may change yet, I for one think that if Pensa was skewered with her godawful concealment, she'd be able to beat the other CA's on T7.

 

Also, the sole difference in AA between the two ships is the 8 20mm Oerlikons on Indianapolis vs the 15 on Pensacola.

 

http://wows-numbers.com/ships/compare/?id[0'>=3763255280&id[1]=4282300400]Comparison between the Indianapolis and the Pensacola

 

[VC381]

I agree Pensacola would be the de facto winner as a Tier 7 cruiser if it wasn't for the fact you always know where it is and BBs pick on it. One of the best things about Pensacola (aside from the guns) is the fantastic agility. If Indianapolis has a 12s rudder shift with only marginally better concealment she could be overall more painful to play even if she has better stats in other ways.

[T_H_0_R]

It could be a typo as well. First link / leak says 9.1s. Second 11.9s. With 620m turn radius I am betting on the first value having more chance of being correct.

[piritskenyer]

It could be a typo as well. First link / leak says 9.1s. Second 11.9s. With 620m turn radius I am betting on the first value having more chance of being correct.

 

wows-numbers also lists her rudder shift as 9.1, so there is an error in there somewhere. I'd think the 11.9 to be true to be completely honest.

[VC381]

 

 I'd think the 11.9 to be true to be completely honest.

 

Perhaps as a deliberate weakness but I sincerely hope not.

[T_H_0_R]

 

Perhaps as a deliberate weakness but I sincerely hope not.

 

Same here. The thing I loved about Pensa was that maneuverability. Great rudder shift and same 620m turning circle. Cleveland and NO have 660m and about the same rudder shift. Doesn't make sense if Indianapolis gets higher. IMHO lower HP poll is there to offset better armor. Would made more sense if Indianapolis had 660m since several Portland class ships were converted to NO during construction.

[T_H_0_R]

Well looks like it is 9.1s after all. With upgrade it can be about 7s which is just fine. Not sure if I can post links here or not ...

[VC381]

Well looks like it is 9.1s after all. With upgrade it can be about 7s which is just fine. Not sure if I can post links here or not ...

 

Sounds good, Pensacola is still better though, 5.6s with second hull and rudder mod.

[MATREKUS]

This is a joke. This ship will be Pensa on steroids in t7,...with better armor, and gun range than both Pensa and NO and much better concealment than Pensa. Its basically a super T8 ship in t7.

money talk bull**** walk style

It will be, along with the Gremy, the OPPest premium in the game and surelly the OPPest cruiser in its tier. even better than RU stronks 

[Poster_2015]

It might end up too strong, but whats with the exaggeration. It will have one thing over NO - range, otherwise its just a less armored weaker version of it with less RoF to add. So a "Super t8" ship that is worse then widely considered worst T8 New Orleans (doesnt mean unplayable!, but yea it probably is the weakest).

[T_H_0_R]

Considering how many people (don't) know how to drive Pensacola (e.g. Aerroon thinks it is garbage and the worst T7 CA - with which I disagree wholeheartedly), having better armor and range will help to some extent average Joe who buys it after only spending 5 min time on T1.

 

Then again, both Texas and Molotov had their stats nerfed a bit before being released to the public. So lets wait for a bit before final judgement.

 

If you ask me I'd give her Pensa rudder shift go along with that turn radius since those factors are what made Pensa work due to poor armor. And the added armor won't help vs. 16" shells any way. That and NO gun range. Lower HP should probably stay due to better belt armor than NO.

 

Also, she does sit high in the water...