Pink rule changes seem a little crazy

[Zero23]

Ok so me and a friend come back to game after 6+ months of being away. Our first match and my friend launches some torps that eventually hit a DD on our team and sink it. The DD apologised and said it was his fault, whatever your opinion on that is not really relative accidents happen sometimes.

 

So my friend turns pink, either right away or just after the match I can't remember. We have some more games and he is still pink and there's the usual chat about teamkillers etc going on, at one point a team ship rammed him on purpose and he got some more warnings and took team damage which is dumb.

 

Another match later and we're in a battle (he's still pink) we're all fighting, the fight is over my friends dead. I'm alive and so are a couple other ships on my side, one ahead of me has literally 130hp left I'm in and out of binocular view looking at him + the edge of the island he's about to come round and I swear to god I accidently hit fire, my finger no joke depressed my button and I take this dude out. 

 

So cue the outrage in chat, I said omg my finger slipped but they wouldn't have it. I got told sure your in a division with a PK'er etc. Can't say I blame them tbh I'd have thought the same. Another fight comes along and a cleveland on my team starts firing into me as im shooting the enemy. He does piss poor dmg and I die to enemy fire. He's all like "Thats for my friend!" I told him he didn't do very well and he agreed.

 

After the match I'm now pink for doing 130hp of dmg which resulted in a death. My friends still pink.

 

Now we are in a division of two PINK ships, as we only really play together. How long is this going to last lol because it doesn't look good and lets be honest NOONE is going to believe it even if we tried to explain!

[ColonelPete]

Accidents do happen, but need to be punished. That way people remember to be more careful.

I think it works.

[Hanszeehock]

I suggest you read this thread : http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/50228-okey-seriously-im-pink-after-1-accident/page__fromsearch__1

 

From the latest patch the criteria for being a teamkiller and turning pink was reduced to one teamkill.

 

If you do not cause any further team damage you will go back to normal after a few battles

[Zero23]

Accidents do happen, but need to be punished. That way people remember to be more careful.

I think it works.

 

That's fine, though getting it for 130hp seems pretty poor. I'm guessing its based on deaths now or the system has changed as I've done a lot more than that in the past to my own team, usually with torps and been fine (beta's).

 

How long is it going to stick about for? I did a quick search but not good enough as I couldn't find out. Is it a set number of games without team kills?

[Zero23]

I suggest you read this thread : http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/50228-okey-seriously-im-pink-after-1-accident/page__fromsearch__1

 

From the latest patch the criteria for being a teamkiller and turning pink was reduced to one teamkill.

 

If you do not cause any further team damage you will go back to normal after a few battles

 

Thanks, I did look at that thread but only skimmed it really before as I accidently fired some of my guns and not torps, hit the guy just once.

[loppantorkel]

Now we are in a division of two PINK ships, as we only really play together. How long is this going to last lol because it doesn't look good and lets be honest NOONE is going to believe it even if we tried to explain!

 

Okay, that' pretty funny tbh

[Flukeyluke]

pink rule is funny, but my mates pink due to a misshap we had....

 

we were up 6 ships with an 8vs2 till our team won

when my mate fired torps at me, i returned the faver while dodgeing 2 of his 4 torps.

the 2 torps i dodged hit another ally turning my mate pink *lol*

meanwhile all 4 of my torps hit sinking him with no penalty to myself since we were in a division

we have now called a truce between us untill wargameing impliment a duel feature so you can challange you friends

[it3llig3nc3]

The topic starter had a very interesting point. Honestly I do not mind for having a hard rule on team killing as it is the worst thing that can happen in a team-based game like that.

As for myself while I accidentally bump into other ships turning, I never gave a shot or torp hit to teammates - but I'm old and socialized on team based games like Counter Strike where a team kill on a good server meant a ban for a day or longer...

 

But about the story of getting a TeamKiller status for 130HP damage because your teammate got sunk. This is truly and really what a competitive situation is all about! As long as a ship has more than 1HP in this game it can stay afloat and be fully functional, more importantly can present its FULL FIREPOWER towards the enemy. Team-killing a low health ship like that is practically taking away much needed firepower from you that could change the battle later...

[Admiral_noodle]

The issue currently is the general community not understanding the changes. When they realise the changes abuse for being a team killer will reduce.

[Aotearas]

Don't torp from second row and don't accidentionally fire upon allies.

 

Unexpected stuff can happen and can get you pink if you TK a guy (you'd need to do some damage to turn pink without an outright TK, at which point it's deserved punishment). If you get pink for an accidential TK on a low health ally, it also means you only spend relatively little time being pink, so take it as a reminder to be more careful.

 

As for other players' reactions, most are still in the mindset that stemmed from the old TK punishment system, where you literally had to be TKing on purpose to get pink, so naturally they don't like seeing one. It will mellow out at time.

 

There are a couple issues with the new system still, like secondaries hitting friendly ships (setting them on fire) which you have zero control over and could cause a TK, but the examples you gave are rather clearcut mistakes on your and your friend's part, so just take it and try not to repeat the mistake.

[Dee_82]

It sucks but such is life, it sucks for the people who you accidently killed as well but hey ho!

 

I think the rule is fine, there need to be a strong incentive not to do it, accidently or otherwise. 

[Vogel]

Teamkiller penalty should at least be disabled for secondary guns. You have no direct control of them (only on/off) and as such you are hardly responsible if they accidentally kill someone on your own team.

[Aotearas]

Teamkiller penalty should at least be disabled for secondary guns. You have no direct control of them (only on/off) and as such you are hardly responsible if they accidentally kill someone on your own team.

 

Aye.

 

Set a division mate on fire with my secondaries and his DC and repair were both on cooldown, thankfully the enemy finished him before my fire did. Got away with it

[kim__gunner]

I`m a DD player mostly and since 0.5.5 iv`e done 2 accidental TKs and have not turned pink.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

Team damage will always happen, everyone has damaged a friendly ship at some time or other, including myself. But i think the current system is a tad too strict.

We need 2 modes

 

1: Hardcore, in this mode you can damage friendly ships as you can now

2 Normal mode, in this mode you cannot damage friendly ships, no matter how much you torp or shell them

 

I think players should have the option as to which mode they want to play

[bushwacker001]

The difference now is that if you have a pink player on your team he tends to get the benefit of the doubt as there are quite a lot of them about at the moment but before the change a pink ship on your team more than likely was a serial team killer.

 

I have played as a pink ship for 5 battles (my sons account) and had no hassle from team mates whatsoever. There is always the chance that a team mate may take the law into his own hands and fire on you if you are pink but once they are also pink they learn a lesson.

 

It's a bit harsh to start with but eventually players will learn and be more careful so I think it is a good change.

 

Obviously serial team killers will always be A holes and eventually will be banned out completely.

 

EDIT - In hindsight, perhaps a better change would have been to turn the player pink in the port for maybe 10 battles or so as a warning then pink in battle after a second offence.

[AnotherDuck]

I think I mentioned in the other thread, but I agree that secondaries shouldn't factor into making you pink. Possibly make an exception if you've done less than 500 damage or something (in total, over multiple matches).

[GhostRiderMax123]

To be honest I am a bit concerned about the team kill system there needs to be something like an appeal function I had a battle the other day in one of my DD's I fired a spread of torps at a BB having checked that there were no friendly ships in their way, the torps were about half way to the target when a friendly DD dashed out from behind an island, as soon as I saw this DD I knew what was going to happen and before I could type a message to warn the DD it was hit by several of my torps........ fair play to the DD driver though as they did say that they were in the wrong and should have been paying more attention, the annoying thing is that if the DD had not got in the way I would have killed that BB . Now everyone in this battle agreed that it was an accident after that game I went into another one this time with my name in pink..........and was promptly attacked by a team mate.........who did not kill me but left me with very low health to the point that I was useless to my team.   

[AnotherDuck]

It's not that DDs fault she got hit by your torps. Your torps, your responsibility. End of story.

 

A few hours ago I had a match in my Umikaze, where I had almost all opportunities to torp blocked by "friendly" ships. DDs who think the best position is between another DD and the enemies. BBs who think they should charge to within 4 km range of another BB when a DD is trying to get that friendly BB out of the way to torp safely. If I had torped at any of those situations, and I had hit an ally, that would've been my fault, no matter how stupid the team mates were.

[Vogel]

This comes to mind:

[AndyTheCupid]

Just seen a Fubuki have 2 "accidents". First he torped my Benson to Davy Jones locker, I'm in a cap engaging a Fletcher when Mr IJN torp spammer has the same idea from 1-2Km behind me. He then goes on to do exactly the same to one of our other ships. First time I've seen someone turn pink mid game.

[Scarebird]

I`m a DD player mostly and since 0.5.5 iv`e done 2 accidental TKs and have not turned pink.

 

Seriously.  I'm glad I've never seen you on my team with a record like that.  Once could be considered accidental, but twice is just carelessness, and in such a short space of time.

[FooFaFie]

I was pink for a week a couple of weeks ago. After that week i got a message in game and was not pink anymore. The color change/message took place between 2 battles.

[Spuggy]

I don't get why being "Pink" is a punishment though.

 

Personally, I think the ship or Captain or both that turned pink should be impounded in the port and unable to be used until "pink" status is clear.

 

Being pink.... who actually cares?

[Xerkics]

It's very simple , don't wanna be pink don't shoot allies.