#GrandNavalBattles Grand Naval Battles event thread (post your stuff here! instead of openening multiple threads)

[Battleship_Nagato]

I'll get to 500 battles for you guys! I prooomise.

[Omnichr0n]

I'll get to 500 battles for you guys! I prooomise.

 

Me too!

[SFCGunny313]

I have to grind out 160 more battles to get to 500.  I only need 20 more diamonds to get the Katori (already got the Smith)....ugh

[XbodzioXplX]

I'll get to 500 battles for you guys! I prooomise.

 

Do it for youself because this event is about you, not us ;)

The 15 mln milestone is a bug since I haven't seen any info from WG about it.

 

 

Edit: and since the event is over I have now time to play Witcher 3

The new DLC is 10/10 addon!

[Ph3lan]

Exactly, getting 1-2 premium ships was quite easy, and without 1000 diamonds needed.

jubiimanden, on 03 June 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

I found the GNB to be a very good event. I got 3 new ships and a lot of stuff that I can use in-game just by playing the game.

Good job WG Keep them coming

 

I am glad to see that some of you guys enjoyed the event and appreciate the prizes. I know that the 12 milestone wasn't exactly what you expected, but as I said in my earlier post, we wanted to load the really cool stuff into the personal missions and not into the global milestones. 

 

Dear WG: wake up your brains, please I really liked this GNB event, I really DID. Not anymore.

Alright, I can't argue with obvious nice things like ships and other goodies out of the chests. But ten camouflages?! Ten camouflages?! The biggest event in the game and such a lousy final reward. I hope you are joking

 

This was mostly a communication issue on our part, it wasn't our intention to emphasize the 12 milestone as the "big final reward". The global prizes were meant to be additional prizes earned by the community on top of the stuff you could get with the personal missions. Ten camouflages may not seem like much, but they are pretty good if you consider that you basically get them for free on top of the things you unlocked with your diamonds. 

 

The event wasn't executed perfectly and it wasn't communicated perfectly (to say the least). However, we got to choose from a couple of prem ships and 11 days premium time for free. And the personal rewards are nice, too. So, may I ask kindly: Please calm your tits!

 

The most important news from Ph3lan's post is:

They are willing to listen to our feedback and they are willing to learn. So the only thing that helps is constructive criticism. Some people have posted just that, but it's harder and harder to sift those helpful posts out from all the salt.

 

 

I've summarize my prizes and I get something over 6600 doublons.

It's about 25 euro.

Guys that is a lot!

 

To think more about it the event was very fair to a player. Why? The prizes was more individual and we cannot relay on community.

So I understand that the 12mln prize was that cheap.

But call it a SECRET? Well lol.

 

Going with the "It's a secret" label was indeed not a good idea on our part. We raised the expectations for that particular milestone too high and diverted attention from the core of the event. 

 

I know that you guys are pretty salty about the camouflages, but if you take a step back (like ghashpl above did) and calculate all the stuff you got with the GNB event I think you'll realize that the amount of prizes we distributed with this event is substantial. 

[Mister_Greek]

 

Going with the "It's a secret" label was indeed not a good idea on our part.

 

Nope,not at all. 

 

Reminds me of these cheap clickbait articles that say "You are not gonna believe what secret this guy discovered", only to see something boring and usual.

 

It raises expectations too much without reason and only acts against you in the end.

 

In general i liked the whole event. When will the winners of the lottery be announced?

[Gojuadorai]

I know that you guys are pretty salty about the camouflages, but if you take a step back (like ghashpl above did) and calculate all the stuff you got with the GNB event I think you'll realize that the amount of prizes we distributed with this event is substantial. 

 

thats a bad joke like i pointed out earlier those "values" used to calculate the "worth" of the rewards are a bad measure for what the prizes are worth to the players 

 

a lot of players  would have traded all the prizes for a ship they actually want.

 

the value of something to a player is NOT the value of dubloons you decide to stick on that item.

 

[edit] so if you argue with the values you asigned why not let me trade the tachibana+katori+smit+100gnb camos for a gremi you would make a profit.

 

[Nechrom]

thats a bad joke like i pointed out earlier those "values" used to calculate the "worth" of the rewards are a bad measure for what the prizes are worth to the players 

 

a lot of players  would have traded all the prizes for a ship they actually want.

 

the value of something to a player is NOT the value of dubloons you decide to stick on that item.

 

But that's the same in every situation. There's no way to compensate for that, except doing what they actually did and provide options for the rewards.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

I know that you guys are pretty salty about the camouflages, but if you take a step back (like ghashpl above did) and calculate all the stuff you got with the GNB event I think you'll realize that the amount of prizes we distributed with this event is substantial. 

I wrote it on PL section of forums, but we lack any feedback from our CC's, so I'll write it here.

 

What you said, is that you learned from the feedback you got from Project R event. Did you? And Arpeggio missions also. Community abhors "frag" missions, yet you included 4 of them for a totall of 325 frags. Then you added weekly missions that also consisted of getting frags. So you ignored the very thing community marked as inherently flawed, and added it in multiplied numbers.

Project R was marked by community as a succesfull event. Why? Cause community could reach for a goal that actually meant something. A premium tier V ship, that you can actually use and profit from. The rewards you gave us with this event, was largely a "collectors" items, for those of us that don't have them already. Tachibana was easily accessible for what, equivalent of 5 €? Albany was given for free for WG 17th birthday, and also only after serious shitstorm. So that leaves us with exclusive Katori (a re-used tier I ship from CBT) and Smith. Can we even compare them to Kamikadze? Even, assuming that those ships are highly desirable by community, they're useless. Right now I have three tier II prem ships, and I rarely sail them at all, if not for giggles at times. Now I see quite a number of Kamikadze's being used. In tier II vessel you won't earn credits, you won't have a lot of fun, due to how tier II games looks like, and you wont train you captain due low level of XP you gain from low tier battles - what's the point of having 5 tier II premiums?! Why couldn't you add one tier V reskinned vessel (I wouldn't even demand a new model!) for 800 or 1000 diamonds?

And, last straw, this fantastic "It's a secret!" prize for community goal. Yes, I agree, it was a miscommunication. But, don't you have a feeling, that whoever thought about putting it there was just not so smart, mildly saying? Didn't it occure to you, that after project R and gradual degradation of the game and playerbase people will want some kind of reward for staying loyal to your product? 

 

I mean, that's some basic stuff. So, either WoWs departament just doesn't have enough resources to provide a reward, or they don't want to, or they just don't know what they are doing. Each possibility is equally bad, and it's a very very bad sign for the future of this game.

[Gojuadorai]

 

But that's the same in every situation. There's no way to compensate for that, except doing what they actually did and provide options for the rewards.

 

ofc youre right and i know that

but let them tell me "the value distributed was substantial" (when the things they distribute cost them nothing not even missed profits cause nearly no one would have paid for anything they gave away)

is a slap in the face of all the players the subtext is "we decide what you have to like and what not"

 

[edit]

but then again giving the comunity  stuff they want for free is costly because probability is high they would have paid for it

and i guess this is the reason why they decided to not give us something we realy want like in the kamikaze event.

[blademansw]

I mean, that's some basic stuff. So, either WoWs departament just doesn't have enough resources to provide a reward, or they don't want to, or they just don't know what they are doing. Each possibility is equally bad, and it's a very very bad sign for the future of this game.

 

A lack of resources would be worrying, as I suspect they are hopefully getting a decent chunk from prem account/dubloons/prem ship purchases etc. Or is WoWs just being used as a nice money grab for WG?

[Nechrom]

 

ofc youre right and i know that

but let them tell me "the value distributed was substantial" (when the things they distribute cost them nothing not even missed profits cause nearly no one would have paid for anything they gave away)

is a slap in the face of all the players the subtext is "we decide what you have to like and what not"

 

What's the better option then? Because the way you're putting it, every event they could possibly run would have this issue.

They could give away a Tirpitz to everyone and you'd still have someone go: "You're taking a dump on my face, because I don't play battleships!"

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

Dunno, but from what I see, and from playerbase date - game is indeed slowly dying. It's not WoWp, cause it doesn't have any real competitor, but players are migrating. 

[MrFingers]

Ph3lan, and other WG staff. PLEASE take a look at this topic, and duly note what is in there. This is a tremendous source of information for you if you want to know what went wrong, and where it went wrong. It would be plain idiocy not to take that into account.

[Allied_Winter]

Ph3lan, and other WG staff. PLEASE take a look at this topic, and duly note what is in there. This is a tremendous source of information for you if you want to know what went wrong, and where it went wrong. It would be plain idiocy not to take that into account.

 

Especially since the poll shows that there is quite a number of players that acknowledged some improvement from Project-R to the GNB events!

 

 

 

Greetings

[Gojuadorai]

 

What's the better option then? Because the way you're putting it, every event they could possibly run would have this issue.

They could give away a Tirpitz to everyone and you'd still have someone go: "You're taking a dump on my face, because I don't play battleships!"

 

well thats another thing you cant please everyone.

but pleasing the most players possible is surely not that of a unreal target.

 

as i see it the only player really happy right now are the collectors

cause to them every ship "is worth the same" as they need every ship for a complete collection, 

and they got 3 of them!

 

but there are ways to know what the majority wants.

like asking them, or more subtle ways like payingt atention to what whings are desired in general by player base.

(have you read a lot of posts where people dreamed if only the could have tha katori they would be so happy?)

 

im pretty confident most of the players posting regularly on the forums

could have come up with a realistic reward (or set of rewards to choose from cause that was actuallly one of the improvements)

which would have pleased 80-90% of the players

 

 

[Battleship_Nagato]

Well, yes, to be fair I'm quite happy as a collector. Smith offers something quite interesting and Katori is very pretty to look at~

[XbodzioXplX]

The thing is that we are in a point where WG:

1) won't do anything about 12mln fail and will stood on a position that we had enough from this event. We will fell cheated about that "secret 10 camos" and we will have some bad taste from it,

2) will give us something nice and we will think that "power to the people" rule apply to WoWs.

 

I belive no matter what happen it will be bad for one or other side.

 

And it sucks because I think the event was quite succesful.

In the theory of tourism the main principal is that when you are starting a vacation the problems don't counts. You can have a bad trip, you might be robbed, etc. But what is really importat is the way you go back to your home. Why - at start you are relaxed and only wish to take a rest so you don't look at bad things that happen. But when you're going back, to the place you live, to the job you do, you are starting to have a bad mood.

So you can have wonderful rest but the end is what you might remember most.

[MBrandis]

I know that you guys are pretty salty about the camouflages, but if you take a step back (like ghashpl above did) and calculate all the stuff you got with the GNB event I think you'll realize that the amount of prizes we distributed with this event is substantial. 

 

Lets list the things I have gotten  that are actually useful to me: 

-  150 camos that work the same as a Zulu flag, but are unusuable on premium ships (unlike Zulu flag)......Still, good for TX battles I guess. 

- Flags (always nice, but not as if I don't already get them via playing the game)

- Premium time  (ok, nice, but a week is  not that much anyway). 

- two port decorations (meh). 

 

All in all, only the flags are really providing an immediate impact. So thank you for them. 

 

However, for grinding to 1000 diamonds getting products worth about 10 EUR isn't that big of a deal to me. Had I known the grand reward (which was hyped up to hell with top secret and all that) was 10 camos that are not even useful on premium ships....I probably would not have bothered. 

 

Especially when compared to the Russian event (Profintern for everybody lol) that is happening on their server I kinda feel as if I am getting  laughed at over here.  

 

And the response is "we will learn from this". Righto. Like you learned that the community hates frags missions (yet they are still included en masse into every event) and that the community hates miscommunications and false hypes (and yet they always happen with you lot). 

 

Sorry if I am a bit bitter but this is the second (third if you count Arpeggio) where WG EU just screws the pooch, while other servers get far better events and boni. 

[Nechrom]

 

well thats another thing you cant please everyone.

but pleasing the most players possible is surely not that of a unreal target.

 

as i see it the only player really happy right now are the collectors

cause to them every ship "is worth the same" as they need every ship for a complete collection, 

and they got 3 of them!

 

but there are ways to know what the majority wants.

like asking them., or more subtle ways like payingt atention to what whings are desired in general by player base.

(have you read a lot of posts where people dreamed if only the could have tha katory they would be so happy?)

 

im pretty confident most of the players posting regularly on the forums

could have come up with a realistic reward (or set of rewards to choose from cause that was actuallly one of the improvements)

trhat would have pleased 80-90% of the players

 

But do we really want to cater to the lowest common denominator every event?

In the Project R event we got basically a premium copy of a DD which can produce good results. Not that interesting, but a useful tool for those who don't already have something better for that purpose.

Now in GNB we could get a combination of a few unique collector ships, premium time, a port slot, signals, lottery entries for a bunch of physical goods etc. It all scaled based on how much time and effort we put in.

The only way to continue to satisfy even more people is giving more and more options.

 

That's setting an unrealistically high standard for events, which would probably result in less events overall.

Every event isn't going to be perfect for everyone. The important thing is to identify which event is worth your time.

[Sebsen]

 

But do we really want to cater to the lowest common denominator every event?

In the Project R event we got basically a premium copy of a DD which can produce good results. Not that interesting, but a useful tool for those who don't already have something better for that purpose.

Now in GNB we could get a combination of a few unique collector ships, premium time, a port slot, signals, lottery entries for a bunch of physical goods etc. It all scaled based on how much time and effort we put in.

The only way to continue to satisfy even more people is giving more and more options.

 

That's setting an unrealistically high standard for events, which would probably result in less events overall.

Every event isn't going to be perfect for everyone. The important thing is to identify which event is worth your time.

 

I agree. I am just super salty about the whole "It's a secret" thing.

[MrFingers]

You're not asking me, but since I'm here, I'm going to say it anyway. This is how I would have managed the GNB-event.

• Maintain the treasures and rewards, and the variety between them (low-tier premiums, some doubloons, some premium, some flags), and give the player the ability to chose.
• Maintain the concept of milestones that would be reached, and the consequences it has for the game (reach X: next weekend: get benefit Y)
• Maintain the concept of weekly repeatable missions, and a batch of general missions that stretch out over the weeks the GNB runs.

 

However, this is what I would adjust:

• Remove the missions that promote AFK-ing and killstealing. It's better to have missions that require "damage done" instead of "Kill X number". If you MUST have a kill-mission, make it class-specific (kill X of class Y), that would diversify the targets a bit, since not everyone is working towards the same goal
• Allow for some slack. Just like Project-R, in order to reach the treshold milestone, you had to actively play, but you could leave a couple of missions out. Or: allow to change missions for another (a bit like currently is possible with the daily missions, have one mission get a random reset to another once a day). Not everyone has 24/7 time to play the game.
• Have a final goal that is actually worth the effort. 20 Camo's is downright ridiculous. Suggestions on what: see below.

 

This event was called "Grand Naval Battles"... How to actually tie it to the Naval Battles it talks of:

• If you have 5 commemorative naval battles, and 5 weeks of game time, dedicate each week to a single battle (the anniversary of the real battle can fall in that week, but it's not absolutely necessary). Tie some specific missions specific to the conditions of that battle. For example: Jutland: "sink 3 German ships in a British Ship" & "sink 3 British Ships in a German Ship". Midway: "shoot down X planes using your fighters": "in the duration of this week: sink 5 aircraft carriers",...
• Upon reaching the final milestone, every player that reached the threshold required gets to choose a premium ship that was present at those battles. And have 4 ships ready: a destroyer, a cruiser, a battleship and a carrier. That way the player can choose what to aim for. Did the player not reach the goal, work in increments for discounts upon purchase: 75% reached: 75% discount, 50% reached: 50% discount, 25% reached, 25% discount.

[XbodzioXplX]

 

That's setting an unrealistically high standard for events, which would probably result in less events overall.

Every event isn't going to be perfect for everyone. The important thing is to identify which event is worth your time.

 

Very good opinion.

 

I complain on this 12mln secret. The rest was successful in my point of view.

 

[albinbino]

From GNB event i only gained stuff like 11 days of premium, flags, credits and even option for premium ship if i want. So really no matter how hard I try i cannot say anything negative about this event and similar events. And for invested time, well no big deal i would play a game anyway. This especially is important since they dont even have to organize events like this, it is their way to reward us. And to stress out, free 11 days premium means a lot to me (trained many captains, made many credits and bought Zao and all modules for it, so i am happy captain.

[JG4_sKylon]

This event was not a success in my opinion. And that´s not because i am not happy with the prices.

 

It is because of those annoying kill missions and rewards for playing X games which promoted excessive botting and AFK!

Even if one does not care about the event, everyones game experience was affected badly by this BS.

 

Still WG EU refuses to learn.

 

And calling this total fail with the 10GNB camos a "miscommunication"?

Nobody is perfect, everybody does mistakes.

 

But announcing the reward for the 12mill diamonds "top secret" and then beeing surprised by the saltyness of the players is beyond making mistakes..... i would call it ignorance, disinterest and totally incompetence of the person in charge.